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I personally think they will head that way and it is worse, because they have their social score system in place. The fact that you can be blocked from even buying train tickets is the stuff of nightmares.
 
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I found this article a pretty depressing read. After several years of progress for LGB people in China, to the extent that in 2019 National People's Congress acknowledged that the legalisation of same-sex marriage was one of the top requests from citizens, there has been a big clampdown on LGB events and spaces. I would be be very worried as a gay person there. The education ministry said Chinese men had become ‘too feminine‘ and sought to introduce more rigorous physical activities in schools in an attempt to get promote masculinity. Some prominent gay business owners have had their companies de-listed and other advocates have left China. I hope it isn’t going the way of Russia, but it seems like it could be.
I feel sad for the people there. It's already restrictive for straight people, but even worse for LGB citizens.

Strange how they've gone from a one child policy to "men are too feminine and all need to be straight".
 
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I personally think they will head that way and it is worse, because they have their social score system in place. The fact that you can be blocked from even buying train tickets is the stuff of nightmares.
Just this morning I read a story about a vicar in this country who has had his bank account frozen and can’t access any money because the bank doesn’t agree with his views on transgenderism. And famously, Allison Bailey had her crowdfunded blocked and capped, in her legal fight against her employee. Anyone who thinks we’re not far off from China and not beholden to banks needs to be alert.
 
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Just this morning I read a story about a vicar in this country who has had his bank account frozen and can’t access any money because the bank doesn’t agree with his views on transgenderism. And famously, Allison Bailey had her crowdfunded blocked and capped, in her legal fight against her employee. Anyone who thinks we’re not far off from China and not beholden to banks needs to be alert.
I read that too and I think there's more to it. The article said he wrote to them to complain about their messaging about Pride month. The Yorkshire Building Society said the relationship with the customer had 'irrevocably broken down'.

So it wouldn't surprise me if there'd been some back and forth correspondence and maybe the vicar had been -- how should I put it? -- less than pleasant in some of that communication.

For what it's worth, I don't agree with bank accounts being frozen based on someone's views alone, I'm just trying to make the point that these sort of stories are generally very one-sided because the customer is free to speak about whatever aspect they want to, whereas the bank has to remain professional and not go into details of how they see it because they wouldn't want to breach Data Protection.

I used to work in complaints in the financial services industry and you wouldn't believe some of the letters and calls we used to get from disgruntled customers. There are some very unpleasant people out there. I'm not saying he's definitely one of them, but I suspect it's not just a case of him writing a perfectly pleasant letter and getting his account closed immediately as a result of that one letter.
 
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More drama from Just Stop oil.

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Just this morning I read a story about a vicar in this country who has had his bank account frozen and can’t access any money because the bank doesn’t agree with his views on transgenderism. And famously, Allison Bailey had her crowdfunded blocked and capped, in her legal fight against her employee. Anyone who thinks we’re not far off from China and not beholden to banks needs to be alert.
I just posted the Martin Niemöller poem on the gender thread. Freaking bank accounts for wrongthink should never be allowed.

It is frightening to see where we could be lead, whilst we're sleepwalking.
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*Freezing not freaking!
 
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I read that too and I think there's more to it. The article said he wrote to them to complain about their messaging about Pride month. The Yorkshire Building Society said the relationship with the customer had 'irrevocably broken down'.

So it wouldn't surprise me if there'd been some back and forth correspondence and maybe the vicar had been -- how should I put it? -- less than pleasant in some of that communication.

For what it's worth, I don't agree with bank accounts being frozen based on someone's views alone, I'm just trying to make the point that these sort of stories are generally very one-sided because the customer is free to speak about whatever aspect they want to, whereas the bank has to remain professional and not go into details of how they see it because they wouldn't want to breach Data Protection.

I used to work in complaints in the financial services industry and you wouldn't believe some of the letters and calls we used to get from disgruntled customers. There are some very unpleasant people out there. I'm not saying he's definitely one of them, but I suspect it's not just a case of him writing a perfectly pleasant letter and getting his account closed immediately as a result of that one letter.
There could be more to it. I work for a bank too. And can well imagine the complaints department receiving some abhorrent complaints. However, Barclays have just had to pay out over 20 grand three days ago for doing similar, Co-op got fined too, for freezing the account of a feminist groups account and think they were in the middle of a lawsuit against them not accepting trans women, and couldn’t access funds to pay for the legal case. These cases were discussed in a court of law and the judgements were against the banks , so while it could be what you said, it’s also not a stretch of imagination that this could be solely down to what I said, given history and banks and companies in general overreach in the last few years
 
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I kind of get what you mean about not wanting to be seen as a victim, it’s not the same, at all, but I have ADHD, dyslexia, and mental health problems, and there are some people in social media who jump on these things to make themselves seem more marginalised.
For me, I’m just trying to live my life, I would never put these things in my Twitter bio for example. But some people seem to revel in it. And like you said, the media plays a part.
Off topic, but Ive noticed this in social media too. Amongst my kid’s uni friends, it seems to be a thing to list a load of diagnoses or MH traits and put a tick or a cross by them according to how many of them you’ve experienced, e.g ASD ✅ SH✅ Anxiety✅ etc. some people insert a list of about 20 things and put ticks or crosses by them accordingly. I don’t know what they’re hoping to get from it. Like you say, I think some people want to be part of a marginalised group or want to make themselves look edgy. I have a few things that make me part of marginalised groups, but I usually don’t even reveal these to close friends let alone on social media.
 
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Yep, pretending to have autism seems to be the in thing with quirky teen girls these days. And it's really insulting.

My cousin has autism - he is 20 years old but obsessed with peppa pig, bluey and thomas the tank engine. Only just about learning to dress himself, manage money, and tell the time.
Autism is not a hidden disability like some people like to claim. You can tell by looking at my cousin, and the children he went school with, that they are autistic. They all have that same face, that wide baby-like look in their eyes. They are children in the bodies of adults, unable to care for themselves. Poor social skills is just one part of it.

But you can tell these girls are not autistic - they don't have the autistic face. Maybe they were not the popular kids, and maybe they were bullied, or socially awkward around their crushes, but thats just a part of growing up and learning to fit in. Not autism
 
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Yep, pretending to have autism seems to be the in thing with quirky teen girls these days. And it's really insulting.

My cousin has autism - he is 20 years old but obsessed with peppa pig, bluey and thomas the tank engine. Only just about learning to dress himself, manage money, and tell the time.
Autism is not a hidden disability like some people like to claim. You can tell by looking at my cousin, and the children he went school with, that they are autistic. They all have that same face, that wide baby-like look in their eyes. They are children in the bodies of adults, unable to care for themselves. Poor social skills is just one part of it.

But you can tell these girls are not autistic - they don't have the autistic face. Maybe they were not the popular kids, and maybe they were bullied, or socially awkward around their crushes, but thats just a part of growing up and learning to fit in. Not autism
You most certainly can’t tell that somebody is autistic by looking at them, you may well be able to see some similarities in the people you know but I know several autistic adults who you can only tell with when you’ve interacted with them, the first signs usually being their inability to small talk and quite literal communication. They can all dress themselves perfectly well and are successful in their careers as technical experts. They don’t represent all autistic people in the same way as the ones you know don’t either. Do however agree that people shouldn’t self diagnose but saying somebody doesn’t look a particular way doesn’t mean that they’re not.
 
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Yep, pretending to have autism seems to be the in thing with quirky teen girls these days. And it's really insulting.

My cousin has autism - he is 20 years old but obsessed with peppa pig, bluey and thomas the tank engine. Only just about learning to dress himself, manage money, and tell the time.
Autism is not a hidden disability like some people like to claim. You can tell by looking at my cousin, and the children he went school with, that they are autistic. They all have that same face, that wide baby-like look in their eyes. They are children in the bodies of adults, unable to care for themselves. Poor social skills is just one part of it.

But you can tell these girls are not autistic - they don't have the autistic face. Maybe they were not the popular kids, and maybe they were bullied, or socially awkward around their crushes, but thats just a part of growing up and learning to fit in. Not autism
Autism is a neurodevelopmental disability and you can’t tell if someone is autistic or not by looking at their face 🤦‍♀️. The presence of certain facial features do not form part of the diagnostic criteria for autism either. Also, autism is a spectrum. Not everyone who is autistic is a ‘child in an adults body’ who is incapable of living independently and has severe developmental delays.
What you’ve described is just an outdated stereotype of what autism supposedly looks like, but there are currently millions of autistic people in the world who do not fit that stereotype at all. Same goes for any type of disability.
 
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Yep, pretending to have autism seems to be the in thing with quirky teen girls these days. And it's really insulting.

My cousin has autism - he is 20 years old but obsessed with peppa pig, bluey and thomas the tank engine. Only just about learning to dress himself, manage money, and tell the time.
Autism is not a hidden disability like some people like to claim. You can tell by looking at my cousin, and the children he went school with, that they are autistic. They all have that same face, that wide baby-like look in their eyes. They are children in the bodies of adults, unable to care for themselves. Poor social skills is just one part of it.

But you can tell these girls are not autistic - they don't have the autistic face. Maybe they were not the popular kids, and maybe they were bullied, or socially awkward around their crushes, but thats just a part of growing up and learning to fit in. Not autism
Autism presents itself completely different in boys and girls and it is extremely ignorant of you to say that people with autism cannot care for themselves. Maybe do some reading on late diagnosis of autism in girls and women.
 
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Two videos authentically showed that some naked men participated in the June 2023 Seattle Pride Parade and also bathed in International Fountain, in both instances with families and children present.
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I posted about this too just on the previous page.

How can anyone have an issue with adult naked men cycling in public when it's the new brave thing to do?

That would make me a #conservativereligioushomophobe
 
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I don't think it's right for people to be naked in public, especially when children are around. However, what I don't like is how the actions of a few are regularly made out to be reflective of the whole event.

If a few streakers appeared on a non-nudist beach, people wouldn't say "OMG why did everyone on that beach condone naked people?!" It'd rightly be seen as a few idiots acting inappropriately - and just those people would be criticised.

Yet when it comes to Pride, lots act like more than a tiny percentage act inappropriately. It's always done with an air of "THIS is what Pride is about!"

And I have to ask why? Why are some people so hellbent on misrepresenting the whole event and the people who attend? I wonder.
 
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Adult men cycling naked in public is hardly ‘new’ though is it? The world naked bike ride has been taking place every year in london for nearly 20 years now. This year it happened on the 10th of June.


For the record, I don’t think anyone should be allowed to go around naked in public unless it’s a specific nudist beach.
 
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Adult men cycling naked in public is hardly ‘new’ though is it? The world naked bike ride has been taking place every year in london for nearly 20 years now. This year it happened on the 10th of June.


For the record, I don’t think anyone should be allowed to go around naked in public unless it’s a specific nudist beach.
Exactly and that event has nothing to do with Pride. It's about cyclists' safety.

Like I said earlier, I agree with you that people shouldn't be allowed to go around naked in public, but it's the cherry picked outrage that does my head in.
 
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So because something has happened before it’s no longer new people should say nothing?

Should we all keep quiet and let adults continue trying to normalise being naked around children in various public places?

Let’s not forget the family sex show where everybody got naked on the stage in front of the kids and and the drag story times in bondage gear now we have to allow naked fountain bathing? Ffs 🤡 🌍
 
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