Kylie Flavell #5 Plundering Patreons with Vapidly Vacuous Vlogs

[Denise0211]

So one of thé commenters says Saint KyLie should give thé empty buildings to refugees and asylum seekers @nostoneunturned - can you imagine that self-serving, arrogant pair even contemplating that?! The Purse is all about making as much money as possible from the rents and she is all about advertising them on her vlogs and getting as much money as possible from her Patreons.

@Spirit of place the KF smugness is off the charts now and the unwrapping of the ceramics was cringe-making with all of the fake accents and false sentiments

@Denise0211 did you notice in the comment section she only now likes some of the comments and ignores the rest and is very selective about who she bothers to reply to (always self-serving)? Does she only make the effort to click the like button on a comment if they are paying Patreons? It certainly looks like it. Who on earth would give her money now?

I lové one of thé ludicrous comments under Kylie’s slog saying how she has shown thé Purse how to appreciate his family history, Italy and how to renovate old buildings (obviously long planned before she arrived on thé scene)
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Oooh yes, I've seen those comments lol. Once again, her subs don't pay attention. Kylie has said Guido's family has a lot of experience in renovating. These people are hilarious wearing their rose coloured Kylie glasses.

And I thought the same about the comments she likes and replies to. They must be higher tiered patreons. Only when she feel "seen" or frustrated about our thread here does she maniacally reply to most. Usually "I appreciate your comment, you don't know the day I've had! Bla bla bla"

 

[Ted 1]

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Which one is the bell ?

And which the bat from the belfry

 

[emm]

I am half watching the latest video, too dull to give it my full attention. Her editing is more and more lazy, the whole "cinematic" aspect which made them enjoyable to watch has totally gone. Anyone else notice Guido seems to have started doing that weird almost baby talk english thing she does when they are opening all those ceramics?

 

[Ted 1]

I am half watching the latest video, too dull to give it my full attention. Her editing is more and more lazy, the whole "cinematic" aspect which made them enjoyable to watch has totally gone. Anyone else notice Guido seems to have started doing that weird almost baby talk english thing she does when they are opening all those ceramics?

Fido is definitely on his best behaviour, no doubt duly chastised for daring to be the contrarian last time, rolling his eyes from time to time. You can see in his face he wants to object to her excesses, but manages to keep on track, albeit with some obvious effort. Yes, the baby talk seems to be the prearranged technique for showing solidarity between them, although he recoils when she leans over to hug him. Was he a good puppy because his mother was also making selections at the pottery and wanted no discord with her as well or did he simply submit himself to training for the benefit of patron booty to complete the roof, the kitchen and the cottage ?

 

[OliveOrange]

Hi all,

Lurker here... or rather it just took me an extrodinary time to catch up.

I'm an expat living in Asia (Korea), which is why I think Kylie's videos were recommended to me. I clicked on one about how to fund a life abroad because as someone who has done/is doing that, I was curious what it would be like in Europe versus Asia, but right away I was so put off.

Like many of you, I found the lack of negative/critiquing comments astounding, so decided to look elsewhere to see if others felt the same... I immediately found this forum, and just can't resist jumping in.

I am most offended my the claims of "loving opera, classical music, art, and literature", Kylie's superiority about her extensive knowledge on these topics, and ultimately her failure to even mention a single artwork, piece of music, or book that she has read.

By contast, the conversations about food, travel, and art have been so fascinating here!

I'm not sure how much I'll be able to add to the conversation, but just wanted to show my support. Have a great day!

 

[emm]

Hi all,

Lurker here... or rather it just took me an extrodinary time to catch up.

I'm an expat living in Asia (Korea), which is why I think Kylie's videos were recommended to me. I clicked on one about how to fund a life abroad because as someone who has done/is doing that, I was curious what it would be like in Europe versus Asia, but right away I was so put off.

Like many of you, I found the lack of negative/critiquing comments astounding, so decided to look elsewhere to see if others felt the same... I immediately found this forum, and just can't resist jumping in.

I am most offended my the claims of "loving opera, classical music, art, and literature", Kylie's superiority about her extensive knowledge on these topics, and ultimately her failure to even mention a single artwork, piece of music, or book that she has read.

By contast, the conversations about food, travel, and art have been so fascinating here!

I'm not sure how much I'll be able to add to the conversation, but just wanted to show my support. Have a great day!

welcome! I am also glad this forum is so easy for people to find

 

[Ted 1]

Just watching a program on CNN about how social media types are presenting a dishonest view of themselves, they present “their best life” which is unrealistic; not reality, just a portrayal, which can be damaging to those who become convinced their own lives don’t match up. Certainly this is what we can see in her comment section, at least those comments left standing.

 

[OliveOrange]

Just watching a program on CNN about how social media types are presenting a dishonest view of themselves, they present “their best life” which is unrealistic; not reality, just a portrayal, which can be damaging to those who become convinced their own lives don’t match up. Certainly this is what we can see in her comment section, at least those comments left standing.

To be honest, anyone who is selling their life on the internet or tv or even in a book is probably not portraying the downsides of what they experience in their actual lives. There are a few exceptions of genuine people out there, but they are few and far between.

I'm not sure if I'm more bothered that people are willing to be fake or omit parts of their lives to make money or that people are willing to engage with these people online as if they are being completely forthright. I have never been a big fan of reality shows and the like for this reason.

I think the real danger with social media and things like YouTube careers that are funded by patrons is the parasocial aspect of the relationship. The creators feel indebted to their patrons and the patrons feel as if they own or have some say in what that creator is doing. As opposed to a tv channel or program funded by ad revenue or producers... the producers are influenced by fans and money, but fans usually don't directly interact with the people making that show.

Anyway, that line that protects both creators/content makers and the viewers/consumers of their media doesn't exist with things like YouTube, tiktok, or patreon where there is direct contact and expectations on both ends.

Re: Kylie - I think the elements of fantasy life in Italy are lovely if you take it at face value (see every travel or food show based in Italy)... the second you move into telling fans that they too can achieve "their dream of moving to Italy", you're both lying about what you actually did (loads of evidence of this among the messages here, but lacking in her actual comments section) and encouraging people to make uninformed decisions. They're also seeing her as a "friend in Italy" rather than a person who is giving information about life in Italy. It is dangerous for both parties in this type of transaction I think.

 

[Denise0211]

@OliveOrange Yes, definitely re: seeing Kylie as a "friend" in Italy. I think many here have come across or reposted comments asking if she would have time to meet, or even just asking her advice on where to stay/eat, providing their email addresses or telling her they already DMd her. Plus there's the "coop" they may eventually rent to guests, whuch I only imagine will leave many disappointed Kylie and Guido are not hanging out with them or on the grounds at all.

 

[PlinyinTorquay]

To be honest, anyone who is selling their life on the internet or tv or even in a book is probably not portraying the downsides of what they experience in their actual lives. There are a few exceptions of genuine people out there, but they are few and far between.

Welcome, @OliveOrange, I'm an expat, art historian and museum curator, working in the cultural sector in the Middle East. . Though I am also known to have a sideline in the Cornish fish industry. I completely agree with what you say per the quotation above. Many of these lives on the internet are heavily curated and edited I'm sure. What concerns me too, is the precariousness of this as a way of life or making a living. It is so contingent upon the goodwill of random strangers mainly, and I'm sure this will all eventually fall out of trend. Delighted to hear you enjoy the off-topic discussions about art &c.

I am half watching the latest video, too dull to give it my full attention. Her editing is more and more lazy, the whole "cinematic" aspect which made them enjoyable to watch has totally gone. Anyone else notice Guido seems to have started doing that weird almost baby talk english thing she does when they are opening all those ceramics?

@emm I am still catching up. I noted the mutual baby talk too. Apart from the crazy acolytes it is one of the aspects of the vlogs that I find the most insufferable!

 

[Ted 1]

As opposed to a tv channel or program funded by ad revenue or producers... the producers are influenced by fans and money, but fans usually don't directly interact with the people making that show.

This was precisely her own complaint about Utube, “even supporters want a say” (paraphrased) and “TV is much simpler”. Well, she can’t initiate, participate in and benefit from the process and then complain as well.

encouraging people to make uninformed decisions

Not just “uninformed decisions” but encouragement and solicitations to make drastic moves based on deception, such as their asking viewers to rent their restaurant when all restaurants were closed due to Covid and the space was not ready, as admitted in this current video.

 

[emm]

Welcome, @OliveOrange, I'm an expat, art historian and museum curator, working in the cultural sector in the Middle East. . Though I am also known to have a sideline in the Cornish fish industry. I completely agree with what you say per the quotation above. Many of these lives on the internet are heavily curated and edited I'm sure. What concerns me too, is the precariousness of this as a way of life or making a living. It is so contingent upon the goodwill of random strangers mainly, and I'm sure this will all eventually fall out of trend. Delighted to hear you enjoy the off-topic discussions about art &c.

@emm I am still catching up. I noted the mutual baby talk too. Apart from the crazy acolytes it is one of the aspects of the vlogs that I find the most insufferable!

Agreed, the baby talk is even more insufferable than her weird "foreign sounding" english accent when she almost imitates guido

This was precisely her own complaint about Utube, “even supporters want a say” (paraphrased) and “TV is much simpler”. Well, she can’t initiate, participate in and benefit from the process and then complain as well.



Not just “uninformed decisions” but encouragement and solicitations to make drastic moves based on deception, such as their asking viewers to rent their restaurant when all restaurants were closed due to Covid and the space was not ready, as admitted in this current video.

Exactly, honestly with the small amount of work she does and the money she is making she is probably getting far more than she could in TV for someone with little formal experience.
This thing about her encouraging people to move reminded me of her video talking about living costs in Italy, remember she went through supermarket prices for various things? I don;t get why she would do this when she claims to shop in small specialist shops/butchers etc which, generally, tend to cost more (and also makes me doubt that she does this tbh as if she had a local forno or macelleria, or whatever, surely she would be able to film inside and talk about prices?). In so many ways she is selling a life that her viewers could lead, that is totally wrong

 

[Denise0211]

Good point about the butcher etc @emm. It's odd she has never used things like that for content. She has mentioned a few times she 'forms relationships' with these people, so why not "show how to order?" or talk about cuts, where they source etc? So much opportunity lost.
But let me guess...her excuse would be these, too, are top secret lest the masses go find them!

 

[OliveOrange]

@OliveOrange Yes, definitely re: seeing Kylie as a "friend" in Italy. I think many here have come across or reposted comments asking if she would have time to meet, or even just asking her advice on where to stay/eat, providing their email addresses or telling her they already DMd her. Plus there's the "coop" they may eventually rent to guests, whuch I only imagine will leave many disappointed Kylie and Guido are not hanging out with them or on the grounds at all.

Some vacation rental owners do get to know their clients and I think that's really normal if you're cultivating returning business. I don't think Guido and Kylie have any idea what that means. Certainly lots of disappointed visitors, though perhaps they'll delude themselved into thinking Guido and Kylie are somehow above showing themselves. I don't think she owes people who DM her recommendations or anything, but as a property manager/hostess, that will probably be expected? Not sure about how that works in Italy though.

Welcome, @OliveOrange, I'm an expat, art historian and museum curator, working in the cultural sector in the Middle East. . Though I am also known to have a sideline in the Cornish fish industry. I completely agree with what you say per the quotation above. Many of these lives on the internet are heavily curated and edited I'm sure. What concerns me too, is the precariousness of this as a way of life or making a living. It is so contingent upon the goodwill of random strangers mainly, and I'm sure this will all eventually fall out of trend. Delighted to hear you enjoy the off-topic discussions about art &c.

That is one of the reasons I decided to reply to this thread! It seems like the lot of you are level headed interesting people.

I studied anthropology and archeology, but am an English teacher (I saw a few of you mentioned that you had taught English as well and that it is a bit strange that Kylie wouldn't resort to that--maybe that was just speculation). Please forgive my English mistakes lol. I was young (fresh out of uni) when I moved here and have grown up a ton. I remember friends and family saying similar things to me about the pictures I chose to share on social media and how I must be so much happier here. That certainly wasn't the case (my first week in Korea I left my phone and credit card in a taxi and consequently ate white rice until my first paycheck arrived--let me tell you how much fun that was). I am doing much better now, and I am conscious of how I portray my life here to others.

It is also one of the reasons that I feel annoyed by Kylie's beg for money routine when she's buying designer dresses and shoes, bit saying she can't afford things... most expats here don't really have that experience unless they come from a rich family or have means before moving here. Again, coming from an Asian/English teacher perspective. I am curious how it has been for those of you who have moved elsewhere... the middle east @PlinyinTorquay or to Italy?

What do you do in the Cornish fish industry? (If that's not too off-topic?)

Back to Kylie, it seemed like she was actively encouraging people to go out and move to Italy/Europe during the pandemic? I have lots more to say on this topic, its just seems irresponsible and strange to me.

I'm off to bed (1 am here), but I'll catch up tomorrow!

 

[Denise0211]

Good point about the butcher etc @emm. It's odd she has never used things like that for content. She has mentioned a few times she 'forms relationships' with these people, so why not "show how to order?" or talk about cuts, where they source etc? So much opportunity lost.
But let me guess...her excuse would ne these, too, are top secret lest the masses go find them!

Some vacation rental owners do get to know their clients and I think that's really normal if you're cultivating returning business. I don't think Guido and Kylie have any idea what that means. Certainly lots of disappointed visitors, though perhaps they'll delude themselved into thinking Guido and Kylie are somehow above showing themselves. I don't think she owes people who DM her recommendations or anything, but as a property manager/hostess, that will probably be expected? Not sure about how that works in Italy though.

Exactly. I don't think either, but Guido especially, want to act as hosts. His mother does this with the Scandicci property, so I wonder if they hope she will do the bookings there, too? Too bad many will expect Kylie on call, and as you mentioned, if she is going to be "the face" of it and managing in any way she will have to interact and be available for any problems.

 

[OliveOrange]

Yes, @emm, I think that was one of the first videos I watched, and I was just confused. Plus the AH fakey accent just threw me off. I think you're right that she is making more doing this than what she could if working through a tv show with limited experience.

@Ted 1 very good point about the restaurant. I agree, that is just downright scary.

 

[Ted 1]

Well, there is MUCH more that she could do, especially in Italy, but we seem to agree, at some level, that she simply does not have the capacity; whether due to her narcissism, her aspiration to be both escort and lady of the manor, her ignorance, her false sense of superiority, her entitlement, her chameleon like personality or just simple sheer stupidity.

 

[emm]

Some vacation rental owners do get to know their clients and I think that's really normal if you're cultivating returning business. I don't think Guido and Kylie have any idea what that means. Certainly lots of disappointed visitors, though perhaps they'll delude themselved into thinking Guido and Kylie are somehow above showing themselves. I don't think she owes people who DM her recommendations or anything, but as a property manager/hostess, that will probably be expected? Not sure about how that works in Italy though.



That is one of the reasons I decided to reply to this thread! It seems like the lot of you are level headed interesting people.

I studied anthropology and archeology, but am an English teacher (I saw a few of you mentioned that you had taught English as well and that it is a bit strange that Kylie wouldn't resort to that--maybe that was just speculation). Please forgive my English mistakes lol. I was young (fresh out of uni) when I moved here and have grown up a ton. I remember friends and family saying similar things to me about the pictures I chose to share on social media and how I must be so much happier here. That certainly wasn't the case (my first week in Korea I left my phone and credit card in a taxi and consequently ate white rice until my first paycheck arrived--let me tell you how much fun that was). I am doing much better now, and I am conscious of how I portray my life here to others.

It is also one of the reasons that I feel annoyed by Kylie's beg for money routine when she's buying designer dresses and shoes, bit saying she can't afford things... most expats here don't really have that experience unless they come from a rich family or have means before moving here. Again, coming from an Asian/English teacher perspective. I am curious how it has been for those of you who have moved elsewhere... the middle east @PlinyinTorquay or to Italy?

What do you do in the Cornish fish industry? (If that's not too off-topic?)

Back to Kylie, it seemed like she was actively encouraging people to go out and move to Italy/Europe during the pandemic? I have lots more to say on this topic, its just seems irresponsible and strange to me.

I'm off to bed (1 am here), but I'll catch up tomorrow!

I am one of the people who teach English, albeit in their home country atm, sorry for the total derail (but I think we are allowed that in this thread? hence why I love it so much!) how do you find teaching there? I have never taught outside Europe.

Back to kylie, I have said it before, but will say it again, it is a matter of time until someone she advises moves to italy and has a very difficult time, which realy is unfair on them. I wonder how she will react (if she will react I guess)

 

[PlinyinTorquay]

I studied anthropology and archeology, but am an English teacher (I saw a few of you mentioned that you had taught English as well and that it is a bit strange that Kylie wouldn't resort to that--maybe that was just speculation). Please forgive my English mistakes lol. I was young (fresh out of uni) when I moved here and have grown up a ton. I remember friends and family saying similar things to me about the pictures I chose to share on social media and how I must be so much happier here. That certainly wasn't the case (my first week in Korea I left my phone and credit card in a taxi and consequently ate white rice until my first paycheck arrived--let me tell you how much fun that was). I am doing much better now, and I am conscious of how I portray my life here to others.

I think your English is beautiful @OliveOrange. Sorry to disappear mid-conversation, one of our conservators had a drinks' party this evening and I was desperate to meet Polo - her Saluki (an Arabian sighthound ). I get confused by the time zones, I don't know where I am compared to Korea but am currently an hour ahead of Eu and 2 ahead of BST. Moving to the Middle East was exceptionally traumatic at first and it is not easy for a woman in a very patriarchal society. I do get treated with some respect on account of my academic specialisms. They need our expertise. The climate can be difficult, it's just slipped below 100 F these past few days, but can reach 150 and can be very humid. What is the climate like in Korea? On the positive side - owing to the Petroleum economy there are the financial resources to be reasonably well-remunerated and, most importantly, to make a real contribution to the country's culture. So I guess there are positives and negatives. You must be asleep now but I'm always happy to chat further about this so long as the others don't mind. Ah ... I just read your sentence about leaving your phone and card in a taxi ... here I am astonished that I can go into a cafe and leave my bag, iPhone, laptop on a table to use the bathroom and they are all there when I return. It is in that way exceptionally safe. I can roam around in the dark or the early morning without aggravation - so I need to be careful not to get lulled into a false sense of security when I am back at home. Sorry, I should say something relevant about Kylie. I can't imagine @emm how K would react if someone comes to set up a home in Italy on her advice and it doesn't work out. I'm sure she would not take any responsibility for it and probably slip well below radar. Who knows.

 

[nostoneunturned]

you imagine that self-serving, arrogant pair even contemplating that?! The Purse is all about making as much money as possible from the rents and she is all about advertising them on her vlogs and getting as much money as possible from her Patreons.

They would have to learn that in Italy you must wait , if you want to join the slow movement . Guidos purse can only fit one hand In it for the extraction of coins for cracked pots And rusty table legs.
Do you suppose the Patreon clams where exchanged for the ceramic seconds ? Ffs why did she buy the seconds ? @Alessandro , if ya gonna splash the cash K just buy the good ones ugh insufferable , I try not to imagine K and Gweeds whenever possible.
lol