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…her parents, who toil on the property, washing floors for three weeks… while Guido and KyLIE drive off to the Dolomite mountains for respite from the searing August heat, leaving them behind.

They have a good laugh after KyLIE introduces all the recent advances in “rustic Italian Tuscan feel” on the property and they realize that none of it was of their own doing.

Two entitled “kids” allowing mom and dad to do all the work while they collect the cash and credit and go off to play in the cool mountain air, knowing that “it was so hot that the builders would have died”.


 
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I know I’m probably sounding like a typical English lush but have you ever had an evening where you want to get totally rat arsed and sink into oblivion?


@emm I am wondering about this. I am planning a trip to Europe in early October so I could assume another identity and send something equally tacky from there under a pseudonym and pretend I’m a distraught teenager or something. My imagination is running riot tonight.
if so I vote we as a collective write a gushing completely nonsensical note to go with it 😂
 
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Her last video, she stupidly showed her mailing address on an envelope for anyone to see.
 
@Enm this is so funny! We had a completely bonkers art teacher at school and for a decade afterwards would send him a Christmas card with a really long chatty letter from a fictitious family! He must have wondered who the helll we were!

Isn't that the Borgo Pinti address, though? It's Guido's office where she receives all the gifts.
YES!

can you please? i am intrigued to see the clock if nothing else 😂
@emm I can send you one of you like! It’s just one of those things that it’s so bad it’s good, if that makes sense. 🤣

I’m an introvert, believe it or not, and I have never, for a moment, believed that!
I have to say that, although like Kylie, I am an introvert, I delivered a course on Venetian art from the High Renaissance to the fall of the Republic to a group of scarily bright third age students in SE London and one of my feedback forms said “she’s incredibly friendly for an academic” 🤣🤣🤣

@Enm this is so funny! We had a completely bonkers art teacher at school and for a decade afterwards would send him a Christmas card with a really long chatty letter from a fictitious family! He must have wondered who the helll we were!


YES!


@emm I can send you one of you like! It’s just one of those things that it’s so bad it’s good, if that makes sense
@Enm this is so funny! We had a completely bonkers art teacher at school and for a decade afterwards would send him a Christmas card with a really long chatty letter from a fictitious family! He must have wondered who the helll we were!


YES!


@emm I can send you one of you like! It’s just one of those things that it’s so bad it’s good, if that makes sense. 🤣
 
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sorry I am having a problem with connectivity tonight as I am not at home, and my messages appear to be duplicated.
 
Masaccio, who preceded Michelangelo in Florence by more than 50 years, was known for his naturalistic and realistic style. He, in turn, was influenced by his study of Donatello.

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Maybe this is why we find KyLIE so offensive and an interloper. 500 years ago, artists were struggling with realistic portrayals, whereas she does her best to deceive with false and fantastical presentations of the same country.
 
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Isn't that the Borgo Pinti address, though? It's Guido's office where she receives all the gifts.
KyLie is actively encouraging people to send her gifts as she has shown the address or mentioned it a number of times @Denise0211 🙄 She said they don’t go there often in the latest video and then showed the wedding cards months after the event which she is obviously never going to get around to replying to. It is Guido’s office but he obviously is not going there atm even though the holidays are over.
 
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KyLie is actively encouraging people to send her gifts as she has shown the address or mentioned it a number of times @Denise0211 🙄 She said they don’t go there often in the latest video and then showed the wedding cards months after the event which she is obviously never going to get around to replying to. It is Guido’s office but he obviously is not going there atm even though the holidays are over.
Yeah, in one of the spring or early summer videos she said he is a freelancer like herself. 😅 Maybe it was the honeymoon video. I assume since Covid he just kept smart working.
 
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I love the self-portrait of Giambattista, it is such an intelligent and yet world weary face that looks like he has seen it all! Those sardonic eyes, strong nose and curving lips make a memorable portrait that is not particularly flattering but rather febrile and vivid. Do you have a sense of him as a person after your close study?
That's the thing, @Antonio, I don't have much of a sense of Tiepolo as a person, and there is very little written, only a 19C book, Tiepolo e la Sua Famiglia by Urbani de Gheltof, which Tiepolo scholars consider to be unreliable. https://www.royalacademy.org.uk/art-artists/book/tiepolo-e-la-sua-famiglia. I have Casanova's memoirs where the Tiepolos are mentioned in passing several times, and he seems to think they were boring. But then, I suppose he would. 🤣

GB Tiepolo went to Würzburg with Domenico, his younger artist-son Lorenzo, studio assistants and a manservant. They worked hard but kept themselves very much to themselves when they were on-site, both in Germany and during Giambattista's final commission in Madrid. Interesting to note is that the young Goya was working in a room next door to the Tiepolos in the Royal Palace in Madrid. I think he must have become friends with the artists as Domenico owned a copy of Goya's Los Caprichos etchings.

I love the photos, @Antonio. 🙏🏻💕 Thank you. It prompts me to ask whether you have a copy of Michael Baxandall's and Svetlana Alpers's Tiepolo and the Pictorial Intelligence? It's the best book on the Würzburg frescoes. Although out of print, I'm sure it would be easy to acquire a copy. https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300059786/tiepolo-and-pictorial-intelligence. The double portrait of father and son in the European quarter of Wurzburg. There is also a portrait of the architect of the building, Balthasar Neumann, up there with them too.

My archival discovery is based on a lawsuit that GB Tiepolo's siblings took out against him when he had become wealthy. They claimed he did not provide for them after he became wealthy, and there are various eyewitness accounts in the manuscript of Tiepolo as a young boy growing up in the poor siestieri of Castello after his father, a ship merchant died. The most interesting aspect of the document was that Giambattista showed a precocious talent for drawing and was a young graffiti artist, always scribbling on the walls around the neighbourhood where he lived.

The archival discovery was published in Arte Veneta (Vol. 66, 2009) with some illustrations, which I will try to attach. I took the photographs of the courtyard where Tiepolo senior was born in Castello early one foggy December morning. It is marked today with a plaque. The people occupying the apartments were inquisitive, and I felt myself under scrutiny, and they started asking me questions from their windows, and I tried to explain I was working on Tiepolo. They seemed okay with that and one kind lady came down with an espresso and piece of cake to fortify me, which I thought incredibly sweet. Forgive the poor photographs, they are fixed into my document and I cannot copy them so have had to take photos on my screen. My article is referenced on p.32 of the Cini document linked here. I have the volume and offprints, but they are in store back in the UK.

https://www.cini.it/uploads/box/cfe9a3701a10a255777fefc2fa79199e.pdf
 

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Sorry to jump over the Tiepolo but I like to read through those posts con calma knowing little or nothing about his art.
Sending a weird gift is a great idea but maybe not the mosque - customs are so jumpy about threats etc & could be taken as a timebomb or some such - I reckon something vintage '50's - a cache of 'my grandmothers suspender belts' found in a drawer or a swathe of hair in tissue paper ' first time my hair was cut 30 yrs ago & as I have your same colour you could use it as an extension' - endless pranks. I thought she used a lawyer's studio as a Poste Restante. Guido is looking more & more dishevelled - effetto Kylie? Doesn't look as if he's going back to work any time soon. Btw your cards got pride of place @plinlyn simply because it made her a bella figura midst the usual sentimental crap. An odd Forest Gump moment to see her with them
 
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Just talking about sending pranks is going to make her jumpy and lose even more sleep, given she already spends half her night censoring her reviews/comments and reading this forum !

Send a mosque clock and she’ll know EXACTLY who it is !!
 
Sorry to jump over the Tiepolo but I like to read through those posts con calma knowing little or nothing about his art.
Sending a weird gift is a great idea but maybe not the mosque - customs are so jumpy about threats etc & could be taken as a timebomb or some such - I reckon something vintage '50's - a cache of 'my grandmothers suspender belts' found in a drawer or a swathe of hair in tissue paper ' first time my hair was cut 30 yrs ago & as I have your same colour you could use it as an extension' - endless pranks. I thought she used a lawyer's studio as a Poste Restante. Guido is looking more & more dishevelled - effetto Kylie? Doesn't look as if he's going back to work any time soon. Btw your cards got pride of place @plinlyn simply because it made her a bella figura midst the usual sentimental crap. An odd Forest Gump moment to see her with them
Dear Spirit, I am sure we will find the right thing. I did manage to get a Mosque alarm clock to Germany last year. I have an ex-boyfriend and for years we've been sending one another really tacky gifts as a joke, each trying to outdo the other in terms of kitsch and tackiness. I think I'd be disappointed if I ever received anything that I actually liked from him! 🤣 This year he got a Barbie doll in an abaya. He's an architect and has whacky taste. He sent me a picture of a couple of unclothed female plastic shop dummies that he had bought and he put them in the beech hedge in the garden as an installation ... so with the doll I included a card which said "something to throw in the beech hedge". I feel sorry for his wife and neighbours! 🤣

Talking of Casanova above. Here's a portrait of one of his mistresses, Manon Balletti by Nattier, in London's National Gallery. She looks very demure for a mistress of Casanova don't you think? I've just been organising a more sensible birthday gift for a friend. National Gallery London work with a florist and they make bouquets to complement paintings in the collection. So people receive a bouquet and a card with the image of the painting which I love giving to my art historian friends. :) https://www.nationalgalleryflowers.co.uk

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I see that I'm very late to the party but KF is a topic that I have mused on for the better part of 5 years,with no one to discuss with except my partner.

She is so 'mysterious', she presents a certain image (to which I related to a lot of it) but it doesn't ring true and she was never transparent about basic details that it drove me nuts.

My 2 cents:

- As mentioned throughout these threads she has always presented herself as an introvert, a sensitive person, someone with a history of being bullied, yet she would film herself running around, inserting herself in conversations with strangers (always men) in low cut tops, bikinis, etc. It didn't add up.
- She was never transparent about how she made a living in Italy. She would do these Q&A types videos where she would encourage others to follow their dreams and move to Italy but never really how she could afford her lifestyle there. She eventually mentions that she taught English just like every other regular expat but this took some time to get to and there was no detail other than she thought herself better than the other tutors. Her apartments always looked fancy and lovely, but how? She was a YouTuber, struggling to get by, pitching to companies who never replied, being taken advantage of etc.
- She would run around with designer items, I remember specifically a pair of Ted loafers and I think a Chanel bag. If what she was saying was true, how does she afford such things?
- Her age! The timeline she talked of didn't add up! Her fashion sense reminds me of when I was young in the 90's with the headbands and A-line skirts etc, she seems to be my age but she has led people to believe she is 10 years younger.
- Once she started trying to create the fashion line with her sister I really started to feel like this was some aspirational s**t. Completely unrelatable, bizarre, why do all these types of people always need to end up a fashion designer?
- The no sleeping, sleeping for 3/4 hours. It's so wild to me that she would glamorise not sleeping in the way she does. If it were true, that could be enough to send someone's mental health to a dark place.
- She used to talk a lot about how healthy she ate and all of her workouts and she was very thin. Always super tanned. All the shots of her rail thin abs. I felt it bordered on some kind of eating disorder/ body dysmorphia.
- Petty but I also believe she has had a breast augmentation. Many people in Sydney/ Australia have, you get used to the look of it. Her teeth are also extremely 'perfect', they're lovely but she has had something done there too. All of that is perfectly fine but she presents this image that is trying too hard to be so far away from that, I find it disingenuous.
- I have written and commented on her posts many times over the past 5 years or so and she has never once replied. Even in the very early days when he followers all seemed to be men from India. This is in contrast to all the other Italophile and Italian expats I follow and chat with. I know that she does reply to messages and even meet up with people from IG so it's obvious that she is monitoring these messages and deciding who is worth replying to, or not. I have seen another IG Italian expat with a large following try to get in touch with her and mention that she doesn't reply. I read here that Nicki Positano experienced the same.

I tried to play one of her videos for my mum recently as she is renovating her bathroom. I realised as I was playing it, it was really embarrassing! Sexualised and weird fake voice and lip biting, giggling, weird baby voice and clenched jaw when talking to Guido. I had to turn it off as it was just too embarassing.

I get that with Kylie she is intentionally trying to sell 'la dolce vita' and a certain image and that's why she does most of these things. But it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. All the lies around her age and her financial status, once you realise she must be from a wealthy family, she is making bucketloads on Patreon, it's so alienating.

Thanks for letting me get all that out.
 
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Maybe, indeed, KyLIE’s demographic is the supercilious; those patrons who identify with her phoney sense of superiority. Reminds me of Trump supporters, who feign high moral ground, while espousing a fake and fantastical narrative. They delude themselves, as they dismiss other viewpoints, while holding their own in high esteem.

Perhaps KyLIE can’t tell the difference between phoney and real; or worse, doesn’t care.
 
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I see that I'm very late to the party but KF is a topic that I have mused on for the better part of 5 years,with no one to discuss with except my partner.
Good morning @ Gioia, Yes, I agree with the points you make. Although I supported Kylie for a short while, I immediately realised she was not poor but I don't necessarily consider poverty to be a benchmark for supporting a person's artistic endeavours or not. Initially, I thought her work was worthy but soon found it shallow and lacking in inspiration or at least no longer interesting to me. If someone is serious about their work it can mean a lot to receive external support, sometimes financial, as validation of one's output irrespective of personal wealth or lack thereof. That said, K has undeniably overplayed the financial impercunity card to elicit sympathy and Patreon donations. In terms of responding to comments underneath her vlogs, sometimes she responded to me, sometimes she didn’t. She generally dresses well, and I spotted some Hermès shoes at one stage probably in the region of EU 500 a pair.

Based on what I’ve seen, I would not describe her as an introvert. Still, we can be a combination of personality types depending on the circumstances we find ourselves in. Also, concur with your observations re sleep which is a fundamental pillar of good health. Although Kylie claims she is not sleeping, she probably sleeps more than she would like us or her supporters to believe. In much the same way that she’d like us to think she is more impecunious than she actually is.

@Spirit of place and @Alessandro . Concerning the Renaissance Hedgehog I sent Guido, I was motivated to do so by this vlog see 24:40. It was charming that his mother made this watercolour for Guido and his brother and hung it in their nursery. 🤗
 
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Sorry to jump over the Tiepolo but I like to read through those posts con calma knowing little or nothing about his art.
Sending a weird gift is a great idea but maybe not the mosque - customs are so jumpy about threats etc & could be taken as a timebomb or some such - I reckon something vintage '50's - a cache of 'my grandmothers suspender belts' found in a drawer or a swathe of hair in tissue paper ' first time my hair was cut 30 yrs ago & as I have your same colour you could use it as an extension' - endless pranks. I thought she used a lawyer's studio as a Poste Restante. Guido is looking more & more dishevelled - effetto Kylie? Doesn't look as if he's going back to work any time soon. Btw your cards got pride of place @plinlyn simply because it made her a bella figura midst the usual sentimental crap. An odd Forest Gump moment to see her with them
Lol! Great ideas.🤣

The palazzo itself holds several studios, and Guido's group of commercialisti is one of them.

ETA: "Spot the designer", yeah @PlinyinTorquay I have seen those Hermes slides. And as mentioned the Tods and Chanel. Plus Gucci and I know I caught a Ferragamo bag. The pleading poverty was one of the most annoying bits for me, given there are actual Italians (or anyone) who can't pay their gas and electric bills etc.
 
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Lol! Great ideas.🤣

The palazzo itself holds several studios, and Guido's group of commercialisti is one of them.

ETA: "Spot the designer", yeah @PlinyinTorquay I have seen those Hermes slides. And as mentioned the Tods and Chanel. Plus Gucci and I know I caught a Ferragamo bag. The pleading poverty was one of the most annoying bits for me, given there are actual Italians (or anyone) who can't pay their gas and electric bills etc.
Wonderful @Denise0211 maybe next time we have a lull we could play spot the designer game! 😊 I have my own guilty secret on that score (Chanel ballerinas) 🤦‍♀️ but I least I’m not asking anyone to fund my addiction.
 
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