Kylie Flavell #2 faking, feigning and falsifying a phoney Tuscan Fantasy

[leenfantvivant]

Buonasera
I I am so glad I found this platform. I wanted to post as well weeks ago, but I was so occupied with other stuff. And then, today at lunch, Kylie sat next to my table by chance and now I decided to write something
I fell down the rabbit hole weeks ago reading all your comments and posts. Excuse me if I am making mistakes, english isn’t my first language.
I am a girl who came to Florence to study for a year and then I fell in love, first with the city and then with my boyfriend, and I stayed. I am now in Italy more or less for two years.
I started watching Kylies videos 1 1/2 years ago and I was amazed by her visual poetry. It made me remember, why I came here, because in reality, life was tough in Florence. I started felling hopeful and appreciating the beauty of this country again and therefor I am grateful.
I was one of her patreons, I donated 5.- every month until last winter, because I felt for her and wanted to help with a small contribution.
But I started seeing a weird, narcissistic behavior, her videos were always about herself but in the beginning, I wasn’t as turned of by her body language, lip biting, belly free cooking lessons...as I am now.
The way for example, she listens to Guido...one video, when they were in the car, she is always checking herself, doing a weird thing with her upperlip, sometimes her glazing interrupted by, “ah siiii” then constant starring at herself again..how ridiculous.
Also her weird comment section. I felt like I am the only one who is questioning her. I remember her saying in a Q&A, that she never wears perfume or hears loud music on her earphones, because she wants to be mindful and not intrude someone else’s space. I thought to myself, wow what a sensitive and thoughtful person this must be. But how does this go along with asking people for donations in times of a global pandemic when everyone faced losses one way or another? In her 2020 video she never even mentioned how hard live has been in Italy. For a person who prides herself on being so sensitive, that is too ignorant to beat.
Today I was at Santa Rosa Bistrot in Florence and while eating I recognized a familiar voice. And there she was, in an expensive beautiful floral dress, accompanied by an elderly couple and a woman. They were talking in english, I was curious but couldn’t listen to her conversation because I was having a business lunch with lots of talking myself. She looked very pretty and put together, curled hair and tanned. But the way she scanned the room with her eyes and looked at the waitress wasn’t that pretty at all.
I don’t think she is a nice person at all. I feel disappointed, tricked and manipulated in a way. My boyfriend was smarter, he watched a couple of videos with me and immediately disliked her, stated she is fake. Same with Ellen DeGeneres. He always disliked her, I loved watching her and believed in her nice girl persona. Well, turned out he was right all along. But I am so happy that I found this group...guess I wasn’t the only one who noticed some inconsistencies in her stories along the way.

 

[nostoneunturned]

Yeah enough with midriff .Randomly edited into almost every video it ads nothing to the narrative… weird too close to my eyeballs

Well can I say discovering this forum has been just the best, I too have been sucked in by KF. I found her when I was planning to travel to Italy solo in 2017 from Australia and wanted an Australian take on travel there before I left Ithoght she was pretty great
…this place is just the truth bomb I’ve been trying to find
….I have been quietly mind boggled by how the career claims, the logistics and financial/ travel arrangements can be true. No matter how many times I punch the numbers into the keyboard calculator the answer just does not add up. Until you insert the concept of omitted truth at least or downright porky pies . .
I’m so thankful for finally finding this thread and having the KFog lifted . Frankly her claims that there are no intellectual or likeminded creative people in Australia is pishtosh and twaddle, that said, she has done a great job on some of her You Tube posts . After reading all this I doubt she really is from Byron Bay more likely some small town up the road from there but because it where all the Digital Nomads …well you know
I briefly entertained the notion that because there are claims of ‘award winning’ editor status maybe there is just. Pile of collected footage made one summer in various locations then just divided and spliced and rejigger in a one bedroom flat somewhere and drip fed for fandom…I’m over it now …thanks and congratulations to you all for leaving no stone unturned!
For sure my favourite moment in recent months from G was “No body cares Kylie “ , as long as he can keep up the dry responses to her ridiculousness , they’ll probably be ok

Please excuse the typos …it the middle of the night here and after reading pages of this riveting forum I’m a little bleary and I don’t know how to edit posts here yet as I have never seen the tattle.life space before today ….

 

[Denise0211]

Lol! Really? The queen of being just vague enough... But it's funny to see how we live rent free in Kylie's mind.

 

[VeeJayBee]

 

[lolander]

@FlyByeNight Yes, I donate to animal rescue Patreons too. Now that I've given up on K I was looking at another young woman who advocates simple living but her Patreon Tiers are really really modest compared to Kylie's. Don't get me started on Stephanie at Chateau Diaries ... crass and vulgar woman with delusions of grandeur. Those people who volunteer to work at her 'Chateau' must have such low self-esteem to debase themselves in that way and value their labour at nought. I have rarely, in my life, felt so much contempt for someone.

Hi! New here on this thread, I've been commenting on Chateau Diaries threads just for the reasons you've pointed out, she's a vulgar woman milking gullible people to pimp up her very underwhelming house. She's also achieved to collect a menagerie of lost, sad, naive volunteers with delusions of success but no real prospects just to feed her fragile ego. Her volunteers don't contribute anything skill wise, unless their ability to make her look superior compared to them is counted as one.

But now to the reason why I'm here. I've met Kylie. She came across as very enthusiastic and driven woman, which aren't bad qualities at all, without you never get anywhere. Nevertheless, as she continued with her sales pitch, it became more and more obvious how shallow and mediocre her thinking was. Don't get me wrong, she clearly has a thought out concept for her brand/vlogs, living from a perfect Kodak moment to another, but her thinking leans heavily on cliches created for tourist advertisements (which even tourists aren't buying anymore.) We watched a few episodes of hers, but because she's all surface without substance, we forgot her. She wants to convey a sense of deeper thinking, but she operates on shallow waters, on slogans printed on sofa cushions. That's as far she's comfortable to go, maybe she's afraid to lose control, too scared to dive in the deep end and be confused, terrified and give in to the chance she might come back empty handed. Or Kylie is a basic bitch without any deeper undercurrents.

She said she's studied Italian neo-realist cinema, seems she hasn't learnt a thing, just the aesthetics. There's immense beauty in the broken, unfinished, in struggle, frustration, but her narcissistic tendencies don't allow her to show that. Monica Vitti isn't beautiful, because she lies perfectly combed on a luxury yacht, but because she's unraveling, without direction, a way out. And we recognise that with compassion and tenderness. She's said, she's been completely penniless (her biggest fear?) and isn't afraid anymore. Well, walk the talk woman, show what you got.

A month ago Kylie popped into our feed. She's still puzzling with surface, creating stage sets with her pots and pergolas. I think her audience has changed? At least they seem happy with the content? Guido will become a huge source of discontent, I feel like she's already trying to shake some emotion out of this poor accountant. The way she's leaning on and hugging him, trying to make him pick her up on his arms, look passionately (to the camera.) Guido isn't made for spontaneous grand gestures...

 

[MariannaItaly]

@emm can you still see the first Kylie Flavell thread? Also here are a few more points other tattlers made regarding Kylie's behaviour:

- presenting a consistently false and Disneyfied view of Italy especially under Covid

- encouraging unhealthy parasocial relationships with her followers by suggesting they give her gifts and write to her personally leading to potentially dangerous obsessions and disappointments when she doesn’t/can’t live up to what she has promised.

- aggressive/bullying response to any commentators that question her or her vlogs

- deleting any comments that don’t glorify how wonderful she is in every aspect or that suggest different ideas to hers or that point out issues with her videos

- creating a fake “cult” following that is only filled with an entirely one-sided sycophantic or fawning commentariat

- Claiming having little or no money so begging her Patreons to keep paying, meanwhile she is living a luxurious life that most Italians couldn’t dream of right now

I've had a lot to catch up on even being out of the tattler loop for a few days! I thought @Jerry's summation was really good too:

'I’m wondering about myself and why it is that The Kylie Show irritates and entertains me so much !

Here it is; She’s the worst kind of hypocrite, berating those who don’t make the effort to learn about the culture, while she misrepresents the same culture she purports to love and exploits the fantasies and ignorance of those who don’t know enough to realize she is lying.

She seems to be a narcissist, changing her colours to suit for the purpose of exploitation, whether it be for donations, patrons, gifts, rents, whatever. It’s all about her, never about anyone else.

She carries with her the worst of millennial culture of grievance, entitlement, poor me ism, privilege, while pleading poverty, playing up the child into adulthood, acting like it doesn’t matter.

She does injustice to the struggles of real Italians and lovers of this country, like me, who see and live the difficulties and absurdities every day, but still persist with the possibilities of being here.

She creates this lie without regard to the consequences for those who might follow her advice, whether arriving in this country thinking you have to speak perfect Italian to order a coffee, that Italians are a polite people in the english sense, taking on a restaurant/event space during lockdown and shutdown, sitting out in the sun for dinner during a scorching summer.

For anyone who knows and loves Italy and juxtaposes her self serving fantasies with their own both difficult and hard won joyous experiences, it is an insult.

The entertainment is from watching someone make a fool of themselves while they think they are making a fool of you.

Thank goodness for this forum to find other like minded individuals and for the opportunity to express this and to share. "

 

[queenqueef]

I read her bio on her website she said she has lived lavishly ... with one of her ex’s.. I suppose this guy?? Seems to me every man she is with has $$. I think she is a classic moocher.. I was 9590kiki and she blocked me now I am worthingtonkiwi on there.. at least I know she read the message ! Which needs to be read! She is not what she appears

 

[Jerry]

It’s a good thing if he seeks help to grow as an individual and a partner, in my view admirable. I just don’t see any rapport between them; until recently, all they talk about is business and, at that, they talk over one another. Kylie, especially, has no patience for him to finish as she appears not to listen but desperate to say what’s on her mind instead. He’s no better as he drones on without looking at her.

i don’t see any real affection between them, unless you count Kylie bodily flinging herself at him from time to time. All I think about is how much time it takes to set up the camera for her to be “spontaneous” !

 

[Jerry]

Lol! Really? The queen of being just vague enough... But it's funny to see how we live rent free in Kylie's mind. View attachment 569121

Like Trump, Kylie has learned there are enough foolish Americans to make a career from a Big Lie.

Quite a hoot that she is cagey about her age for security reasons, when she gives out an address for gifts; and she chooses the lowest possible age.

“... a world with quite dedicated trolls”; is she referring to us ?! Is the truth a troll ?

I think she is feeling the heat.

 

[Antonio]

Hi Everyone,

I am a tad behind in what is going on. Could someone please give me an update on what's happening in terms of her divorce. I had no idea she was married? and to who? I understand she is engaged to Guido, who's family own property in Tuscany.

I am actually Australian and saddened to see Australia represented by Kylie. It is extreamly hard for Australians to leave and enter Australia currently with Covid, not to mention costly. I have no idea how her family will do this for her wedding. However, I have heard they are in Spain? Also, does she have Greek citizenship? She honestly doesn't make sense.

I recently watched her series (well tried to) "when Patrick meets Kylie" now she states she is a high-paid magazine editor yet for which magazine as I look her name up and nothing appears (apart from Youtube) Obviously not a well-known magazine then. Is Kylie Flavell her real name? Also, did she attend University? As to be a magazine editor in Aus, you would definitely need a degree.

I started watching Kylie as I have a dream of moving to Rome when I graduate high school in Aus (I am 18) later this year and study Medicine. I understand Italy is not all that it is cracked up to be on her channel, yet I still have this dream.

I look forward to your replies.

Hi @parisellamoore I am Italian and live in Rome. There are of course many beautiful historical and cultural things about the city but it has always been a tough place to live, work and study longterm - the public services are more like a third world country and corruption is endemic in every part of life, including at universities.

Even after more than a decade trying, for example, Kylie could not make it in Rome and had to give up her apartment and left almost penniless to start again in Florence.

The situation in Rome, as elsewhere, has been exacerbated by Covid which has decimated many businesses let alone lives. Many of my friends have left to go back to live with their families.

@emm is right about medicine too, medical students I know were desperately underpaid after finishing their degrees and appalled at the conditions in some of the hospitals and most wanted to leave and work overseas - but then you have more study as an Italian medical degree may not be recognised.

Unlike Australia, Covid is still not under control in Italy and this is not the time to travel here.

My advice would be to holiday in Italy when we can all travel and/or do a language course and get a feel for the place before committing to trying to study here. The facilities and teaching in Australia for medicine are a thousand times better than here and will give you many more advantages for post-graduate study and work overseas when you have finished .

Re Kylie and her career, she worked in PR at a publication put out by casinos and then at a “what’s on” free magazine - she is not a trained journalist and was never an editor of any real or serious magazine. Those intros by both Kylie and Patrick on that interstitial about their so-called former careers are incredibly pretentious!

 

[Spirit of place]

Not much on the horizon for the mo' except midriffs so derailing out of Tuscany to share 1st beach outing ( now we can,and about time) where I live, no need for social distancing as yet.

 

[lolander]

Hi @lolander, good to have you here joining this very articulate group of posters!

Wondering where and under what circumstances you met Kylie?

Agree with your thoughts about Kylie wanting to come across as a deep thinker yet she is essentially very shallow. And how can she be anything else when her entire focus and raison d’etre is herself?

I'm in Florence. We met through her former landlord over a dinner and she came afterwards to present herself properly in our office. I work in design and architecture.

She wraps everything in a beautiful package, but the box is empty. It's fine and understandable if you're in your early twenties, still figuring things out yourself, jumping into conclusions and trying different roles, looking for the right words. But if you're approaching forty and still doing the same thing, it's sad. No one wants to hear pseudo-intellectual psycho babble from a grown up woman. No matter how poetic and 'deep' it sounds.

Every single vlog is ultimately about her just showing off “her” new villa, gardens, chicken coops, pigsties. fiancé, veggie patch (if she never shows another artichoke being picked, peeled and chopped it will be a great thing), her “skills” as cook, homemaker, seamstress, gardener, amateur psychologist (advising the poor sods writing to her for advice) restoration expert, videographer etc etc (we’ll leave out her fake claims of being artist, poet, journalist, editor and so on)!!

Kylie's a lot of things , but she isn't a good listener. That's why she didn't get the job.

I guess aggressive women are the ones who end up wealthy

In Kylie's chosen field of work there's not a lot of money in the beginning. That's why you want to work with people you like and admire. When you succeed and the money follows, you want to work with people you like and admire. Being aggressive means that you're not afraid to open your mouth and grab into opportunities you've waited for. Being a bitch keeps you unemployed.

 

[Alessandro]

Yeah enough with midriff .Randomly edited into almost every video it ads nothing to the narrative… weird too close to my eyeballs

Well can I say discovering this forum has been just the best, I too have been sucked in by KF. I found her when I was planning to travel to Italy solo in 2017 from Australia and wanted an Australian take on travel there before I left Ithoght she was pretty great
…this place is just the truth bomb I’ve been trying to find
….I have been quietly mind boggled by how the career claims, the logistics and financial/ travel arrangements can be true. No matter how many times I punch the numbers into the keyboard calculator the answer just does not add up. Until you insert the concept of omitted truth at least or downright porky pies . .
I’m so thankful for finally finding this thread and having the KFog lifted . Frankly her claims that there are no intellectual or likeminded creative people in Australia is pishtosh and twaddle, that said, she has done a great job on some of her You Tube posts . After reading all this I doubt she really is from Byron Bay more likely some small town up the road from there but because it where all the Digital Nomads …well you know
I briefly entertained the notion that because there are claims of ‘award winning’ editor status maybe there is just. Pile of collected footage made one summer in various locations then just divided and spliced and rejigger in a one bedroom flat somewhere and drip fed for fandom…I’m over it now …thanks and congratulations to you all for leaving no stone unturned!
For sure my favourite moment in recent months from G was “No body cares Kylie “ , as long as he can keep up the dry responses to her ridiculousness , they’ll probably be ok

Please excuse the typos …it the middle of the night here and after reading pages of this riveting forum I’m a little bleary and I don’t know how to edit posts here yet as I have never seen the tattle.life space before today ….

Welcome and thank-you for sharing your thoughts @nostoneunturned! @emm and @Denise0211 have been instrumental in starting and maintaining this group and we have added more kindred spirits on the way! There are people from all over the world here including from Italy and Australia and people who know or have crossed paths with KyLIE (thanks to @Jerry for that name) and even philosophers who work at fish canning factories on the coast of Britain @PlinyinTorquay Do join in our discussions as they criss cross Tuscany and K’s latest outrages We have all dealt with narcissists in our lives and recognise those same traits in Kylie that are so infuriating in real life: the grandiosity, infinite showing off, false smiling persona, complete selfishness, lying as easily as breathing and creating a completely fake “universe” to suck in the Patreon people willing to pay for what are virtually ads to promote herself...I could go on but will leave it to her next tone-deaf vlog

 

[Jerry]

I'm in Florence. We met through her former landlord over a dinner and she came afterwards to present herself properly in our office. I work in design and architecture.

She wraps everything in a beautiful package, but the box is empty. It's fine and understandable if you're in your early twenties, still figuring things out yourself, jumping into conclusions and trying different roles, looking for the right words. But if you're approaching forty and still doing the same thing, it's sad. No one wants to hear pseudo-intellectual psycho babble from a grown up woman. No matter how poetic and 'deep' it sounds.

Kylie's a lot of things , but she isn't a good listener. That's why she didn't get the job.

All you have to do is watch the video in the car with her and Guido to see what kind of listener she is. I remember distinctly how she practically gasped for breath and repeatedly blinked her eyes in anticipation and exasperation, as Guido completed his thoughts. You could tell that she wasn’t listening AT ALL, but only waiting for an opening to spill what was on her mind. Like a child, desperately convinced that she has the answer and, if not, still wanting the spotlight for herself, instead.

 

[nostoneunturned]

I could be wrong, but isn't that kind of how Australians pronounce the word idea?
I think maybe it sounds strange to you bc over time she's hidden her Australian accent more and more
You can hear it in this video, more so than now at least. Like at 7:30. That does not sound anything like the whispering ah si Kylie we hear today.

She definitely does hide finances, and it's now becoming clear that she always has. The kitchen thing still bothers me. Bompani gifted her the beautiful fridge and oven (and burner, right?), but she doesn't disclose that in the video. Not only does she not disclose that - she then goes on about how she doesn't have enough money for tiles, for X Y Z. I remember the first time I watched it when it came out and I was so confused how she had gotten that beautiful fridge and oven if she didn't have the money for tiles!

So glad I found you guys to decode all her deception. I used to look up to her because I wanted to move to Europe (Italy specifically) as an expat female, and I never understood how she made it work. I just feel disappointed in this fake fantasy she's showing off. The frustration of not understanding her for so many years is finally all adding up.

Australians don’t pronounce ‘idea’ with this extra rr ( more classic Aus would be io- deyah and Byron Bay would be oi-deyah ey ) the way KFake did; it’s an affect that sounds more American/ transatlantic …it’s more a British accent she seems to have recently maybe …( to sweeten the future mother in law.?)
Watching a couple of videos again, through the newly acquired lens found here, have absolutely changed everything about the experience of those posts …I don’t follow any influencers really, I only watched her because she was an Australian woman “solo” in Italy. The revelations in this forum really have released me from the thing that was bugging me whatever it was I was duped by ; I was in a position to empathise with her proposed circumstances. At one stage I considered nearly to donate and the question that stopped me was does she really need the $€ more than me ? Also all of the stuff I couldn’t make sense of
Without getting too out there in speculation about her motivations for this and that, she’s a risk taker , there is no doubt that she must have been at times living illegally in Italy ( probably not the only foreign person to do that ) …I’m ashamed/ embarrassed of her example as an Australian living overseas and those depictions of a stylistic life there … the real deal I experienced in Italy was just so much better/ profound / mind blowing than she does justice too, despite the pretty photography and cheesy schmaltz
IG post today is sticking to very safe themes of fields of poppies … she’d earn some respect for me if she dedicated her life to assisting the rebuild of either the Italian or Australian economy and general psych with great interviews and films about real people not herself … I think she’s lost her way in influencer land and enter one of Dante’s circles of hell ..the 8th

 

[VeeJayBee]

Welcome @queenqueef

 

[PlinyinTorquay]

Regarding Kylie’s age, the following two photos are examples. I personally don’t see a 20 something and I have doubts even about someone in their 30’s. I’m interested in what you think.

She presents herself almost as a child, but no one in this thread seems to buy that other than as an act.

If, in fact, this is all an act, The Kylie Show as I call it, what are your thoughts as to her true age ?

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I think the chain on the sunglasses is particularly ageing and matronly. But I've always thought her videos are heavily filtered.

Honestly she looks 39,40 to me ..

I’m sure everyone has seen these? The video is well... it’s on her older Instagram... I guess she needed donations for this inspiration

Lol ... sex on the sink!!! Sounds like a cocktail. Your words on K's was it Insta account(?) resonated strongly with me. I was initially charmed by her work and made, I think, fairly generous monthly donations. That said, I find the combination of the pandemic and settling down with Guido has definitely taken the edge off her creativity. With regards to Patreon donations ... yes, it dawned on me that I was sponsoring someone else's dream when I have dreams of my own, and that if I wanted to donate maybe there were people out there to whom my contribution may make a difference. For example, I saw an interview with a homeless woman in the US who had lost her home through a natural disaster. She'd lived in a. park for a couple of years and couldn't get work because she didn't have an address. Yet, she was surprisingly resilient and cheerful ... no histrionics. There was a nobility in her stoic attitude and I would rather help someone in that situation get back on their feet as opposed to someone who appears to be in a fairly privileged position anyway.

 

[PlinyinTorquay]

If I were Guido, I might be starting to think that the Universe is trying to tell me something . . .

 

[VeeJayBee]

“Self-flatulating” !!?? Do they mean “self-flattering” @VeeJayBee ?? Anyway I watched the vlog and oh what a beautiful ode to the wonderment of Kylie! Me, me, mè, me...Who has photographs just of themselves in their journals?

Kylie is so unlike this in real life, all the soft airs and sighs and breathy voice...it’s all fake, fake, fake...Her voice in everyday life is quite flat with an ordinary Australian accent. It’s all a put on and the acting seems to work for some people who appear to be totally taken in by it...And I guess it has worked on Guido too.

And the video ends with a call out to her Patreon supporters, not directly asking for money, but subtly making it clear people should be paying to hear these pearls of pre-“wedding” wisdom...In the end its all about the money for her and if Guido didn’t have any, there is no doubt there would be no marriage for Kylie

@Antonio Goodness knows what they mean but it's not wrong, she's just emitting all the hot air blown up her a*** by her devotees.

 

[emm]

Thanks to @Alessandro @PlinyinTorquay for the new title!
Recap from the last one:
- sexualising her vlogs to sell her channel, herself and ultimately the holiday apartments

- keeping an narcissistic focus on herself in every video or vlog she posts

- hypocritical advice to followers about her life meanwhile she is doing the opposite of what she says

- Judgemental attitude about many things (drinking alcohol, one night stands, people that don’t like old fashioned things from the past) she seems to want to live as a 1950s housewife

- playing on the vulnerabilities of some of her more naive followers

- accepting advice on not getting the covid vaccine on the advice of her followers

- using Patreon money to buy YouTube video views, comments, IG followers, likes and comments to create a false impression she is a lot more popular than she is and using this to sell herself to other businesses

- rushed non official wedding because of missing a document – some have speculated that she needs proof of divorce from Australia and that they are rushing for the “religious but not official” ceremony as she may be pregnant. The engagement was announced by possibly the most cringe video an adult has posted on youtube :

- lying about her age which became apparent when the timeline of her moving to Italy would have put her age at about 13 rather than being an adult

- A few people on the thread have had dealings with her in real life and her “nice person” persona is just that, a persona, it is noticeable that she focuses on relationships with men she can flirt with rather than women, she seems to have no female friends