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Turaj

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I watched the live and am left wondering…maybe my age …but they don’t speak about the realities of a new child. Jessica is working and will get six months off…what about Brian.. he sings at Church. Talked about looking for houses but not in the near future.my impression is Jessica has the emotional issues and indicated she will not be able to handle any bad news on the scans. The whole thing with talking about registries for baby gifts and strangers making blankets left me cold..some people have issues with Kyle but I don’t understand Brian.
 
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girlwhowrites

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She probably just felt more comfortable at Mayo because it's one of the top cancer hospitals in the country (they are currently ranked #3 in most 2023 lists) and they are also pioneers when it comes to research.

In the end, it worked out for her because she's now apparently cancer free. It's wild that the surgery that did this for her almost didn't happen, though, and it only ended up being approved because one doctor said that she thought it was worth a try.
 
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oceanbaby

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The transition from peri menopause to menopause was the darkest period of my life. I had to go on hormone replacement therapy despite the risks. I am now the healthiest I have ever been. I can only imagine what Jen is going through and I don’t know if HRT is an option. People have commented she is fragile. I think she is very strong.
I so hear you on the peri-menopause transition. It could easily be taking Jessica down a dark path, as if she hasn't been through enough already. I'm going through peri now and it's hellish. I'm angry it's not researched and talked about more. Typical though. I'm so glad treatment worked well for you and you're in good health now. ❤
 
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He sounded very motivated and committed to eliminating his excess weight to try to improve his circumstances.



I thought the same, they don't lead people on or sensationalise anything. Very sad news. They seem to be very disciplined youtubers, not a mention of his issues all these months that they vlogged about the new baby, new home, Jessica's health updates, etc. It sounds like a business decision was made at this point to include his journey into their channel as it will encompass a substantive narrative to share. They are not the haphazard type who include any vacuous thoughts that enter their heads or the verbal diarrhoea that others use to fill up content or create clickbait draws for viewers.

Sounds like the prognosis is cautiously optimistic as he's not anticipating any adjuvant treatments after surgery. But, without a biopsy, it's still too early to definitively say, I'm sure.

On the plus side, at least glad for the CT that discovered it as an aside to his colorectal symptoms. I wonder if the polyp has created his intestinal symptoms? Very good that he's being seen at a top cancer care facility, that must be a relief to them.

I really thought it was far too early in Jessica's post-cancer recovery period to be confident in bringing a child into the equation. But, I certainly never expected it to be Brian who would be facing his own cancer challenge so soon after Jessica's. Goes to show that cancer does not discriminate, you can try to improve your odds by what you eat and your lifestyle choices, but it is certainly no guarantee of good health.

If anyone follows eamon and bec, I see her breast cancer that had been in remission just went crazy after carrying a child, forcing her to deliver early. They've not shared many details except she's now Stage 4, but nothing further regarding prognosis, treatment, etc. This is why they took the last 5 months or so off their channel.

That's two established vloggers, both with new babies, sharing terrible health news. :(
Research into RCC is very slow Suze. Although the landscape does finally appear to be quickly changing more recently. I know that just 10 years ago there was absolutely no treatment for RCC other than TKI's (blood vessel blockers). What Brian didn't say or what Brian maybe hasn't been told is that RCC is resistant to chemotherapy and radiotherapy. Researchers have tested so many chemotherapies on RCC and none have been of any benefit. I asked the oncologist why and he said this " Chemotherapy and radiotherapy works on fast dividing cells, RCC is very slow growing and cell division is very slow, therefore chemotherapy and radiotherapy are not effective". The breakthrough for Kidney cancer was immunotherapy, which does work wonders in many kidney cancer patients.
Researchers know that immunotherapy kills off/ controls existing tumours. At this moment in time they are unsure if immunotherapy can work on microscopic cells. Adjuvent immunotherapy (to try prevent a recurrence) is very experimental, but early UK data is showing positive. I know a few kidney cancer patients that was at very high risk of a recurrence following Kidney removal. They had immunotherapy for a year via a trial, and many have remained NED for several years.

It's very sad news for both Brian and Jessica.
 
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Make sense of it!

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Great news that its calcified :) Fantastic sign.
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I hope Jessicas small spots are nothing sinister. Many of us have small spots/nodules which are nothing sinister, but its great that they are being monitored. Jessica is looking much much better in herself.
I'm just genuinely happy for them. Great to see their life is moving in a positive direction and they have so much to look forward to ❤
 
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TryingMyBest

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To their credit, they've both made videos in the past when they've started gaining weight explaining why it was happening and what their bad habits were. Jessica made one video when she had a binge eating episode while Brian was at church, and Brian's also had periods of not staying on track.

A lot of vegan foods can be fattening (like fries and sweets) so following a plant-based diet won't always keep you slim if you keep reaching for junk food.
They actually follow a very strict plant based diet. No oils, sugar, heavily processed foods. They did so well for a long time but both of them and especially Jessica use food as a coping mechanism and go off plan and gain a lot of weight. They try their best but often it just doesn't work out.
 
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girlwhowrites

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So far I haven’t seen anyone who seems to have a strong dislike for the Krocks. I think we’re just interested in having people to talk to about what’s going on with them since there doesn’t seem to be any other place to do so.

Hopefully nobody makes them aware of this thread. They don’t strike me as the type of people who Google themselves or have Google alerts set up for their name, so if nobody brings their attention to it they might not ever know it exists.
 
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TryingMyBest

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I watched the live and am left wondering…maybe my age …but they don’t speak about the realities of a new child. Jessica is working and will get six months off…what about Brian.. he sings at Church. Talked about looking for houses but not in the near future.my impression is Jessica has the emotional issues and indicated she will not be able to handle any bad news on the scans. The whole thing with talking about registries for baby gifts and strangers making blankets left me cold..some people have issues with Kyle but I don’t understand Brian.
I'm totally not qualified to make judgements or diagnosis the Krocks but having this baby just seems like an emotional disaster in the making for those two. I really like them and wish them the best. Brian will undoubtedly be the stay a home dad.
 
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mayday mayday

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I like the Krocks. I took them as private people and am very surprised they are so open about discussing their baby and undoubtedly will have her on the channel. Also, surprised they did not seem to have any of the new parent natural worries. I am very happy for them, but surprised.
I was surprised that they are already planning to "use" the two remaining Krocksicles. (I honestly love that name for the embryos.) I mean really ... that's pretty optimistic. I wonder if Brian's religion considers destruction of the embryos to be murder.

I'm happy for the Krocks, hoping all goes well for them when baby makes three.
 
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I like the Krocks. I took them as private people and am very surprised they are so open about discussing their baby and undoubtedly will have her on the channel. Also, surprised they did not seem to have any of the new parent natural worries. I am very happy for them, but surprised.
 
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Turaj

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New video from Krocks today 8/24. Really sad to see these two complaining about depression....Jessica crying and Brian bobbing his head in agreement with everything she says. The noteworthy comment that I still can't believe is that they are living in this new house without a toilet! I don't think it was a joke. How do you do that?
 
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LeonorG

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Thread to discuss the successful youtubers Jessica and Brian Krock.
 
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Turaj

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Watching this and am remembering that people say Jessica is fragile and she may well be but she also seems mature and strong.
I think she seems more mature than Brian. In reading thru some of these posts with the details of her cancer and suspected spread etc. she has been thru a very rough year. She will be under surveillance of the rest of her life. I sure hope it does not come back.
 
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suzeq

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They are pretty timely in their videos. That biopsy result took much longer than expected and then surgery was next day...I think they probably intended to do a results on biopsy video but did not have any and then recovery from surgery. Considering what they are juggling I can understand if timing is not perfect.
Thanks for that. That's the difficult thing about feeling a connection to a YT life story, you wait anxiously for news. It is a reminder not to feel invested when you realise that what you've been waiting to hear is news that is actually long past, it just hasn't been shared yet. I should have learned that from TT. I appreciate that the Krocks don't need a lot of editing at least. No clickbait cliffhangers either.


I hope Brian doesn't have a recurrence after his nephrectomy. Life with just one kidney will mean he needs to look after it.
Sadly I see so many younger people with RCC have a recurrence a few years down the line. RCC is very sneaky type of cancer.

I'm not excited about the fact that he may be stage 1. His prognosis will depend on if there's been microvascular invasion, if the tumour can be removed with clear margins, where about the tumour is sitting (which pole), how close the tumour is to the renal vein. The biopsy states clear cell RCC , but the tumour itself may contain papillary cells as well as clear cell.

My husband was grade 3 too.
It's a sneaky cancer. Why is RCC sneaky? There's no markers for this cancer, it doesn't show in blood tests. Many patients don't show any symptoms at all. RCC is resistant to chemotherapy and radiotherapy. Treatment is immunotherapy or tyrosine kinase inhibitors (tablets taken daily but the cancer becomes resistant to tki's quickly). It often takes years for metastatic spread to show up on scans because it's a slow growing cancer with slow dividing cells.
Many patients (even stage 1, grade 1's) can be living their life after nephrectomy feeling they have been cured, and bam 4 - 5 years down the line a lung nodule or bone met appears, despite them having clear margins.

I hope Brian's oncologist will look into mutations. Personally, I think doing a biopsy was too much of a risk. Biopsies carry risks of seeding. Oncologists say that there's only a slim risk of seeding @ 1%, but someone is that 1%. If the tumour/mass had to come out anyway, it would have been sent to the pathology lab.
@suzeq I feel very sorry for them both. Both of them will now be having regular scans to check for recurrence. It's awful for both of them, especially now that they are a little family with Elsie.
3 recommendations I would make to brian.
Don't google RCC, the info and stats are completely out of date. Any paper/post prior to 2018 is out of date. Since 2018 the stats have improved thanks to immunotherapy which extends life for some patients (many still don't respond to immunotherapy though)
Data and Google suggest RCC is an old mans disease and this upsets me. It's not why I see with RCC patients and even RCC clinics. I agree that it affects more males than it does females, but it is no longer an older mans disease. It is patients of all ages.

2) Join the USA smart patient website. It's genuine RCC patients with clinicians on board. They sign post the best possible kidney cancer hospitals and treatment info is real time.

3) If I was brian I would ask my oncologist to be referred to the genetics clinic to have a look at mutations. With him having clear cell he may have VHL mutation, if so, there is a new treatment specific for those with the VHL mutation. Brian may have Von Hippel-Lindau syndrome.

After Brians had his tumour removed it will be sent to the path lab. From there they use the Fuhrman or ISUP/WHO grading system to give Brian an exact grade. If necrosis is present inside his tumour or if there is microvascular invasion, he will be moved from his current grade.
When the exact grade is known, he will be given a percentage chance of recurrence. Grade 3's are usually 40% chance of recurrence in the next 3 years.
Here in the UK grade 3 & 4's are often offered immunotherapy to try prevent a recurrence. Due to Brians age I do believe he would be offered 'adjuvent' immunotherapy. The UK started offering this to high risk patients following success from the RAMPART TRIAL. The belief is that high risk patients that have adjuvant immunotherapy for 1 year have less chance of a recurrence.
However, my husband had great success with an immunotherapy trial, he reached NED! Immunotherapy killed all of his tumours, but sadly RCC showed up again. It's a sneaky cancer. It mutates to evade attack from treatment and those mutations eventually become treatment resistant.

On a positive note: I know of a few middle aged patients that had stage 2/3 with high grades 3 and 4. They have remained NED for over 10 years since their nephrectomy.
On a negative note: I know of patients that have been NED for 10+ years but younger patients often end up on dialysis. Older patients can live fine with one kidney until they die. Younger RCC patients with one kidney often end up dialysis. Brian will need to look after his kidney. Look after his kidney function, control his blood pressure. Reduce protein intake because protein isn't good for RCC patients with one kidney.
Worldwide RCC researchers advise clinics to advise patients to stick with the rainbow diet or the colourful Mediterranean diet.
Drink lots of water to keep that kidney flushing. Reduce salt is absolutely necessary. One kidney as to do the work of 2 kidneys.
And no iburoprofen. Many anti inflammatory medications impact kidney function so GP's don't prescribe.

If Brian was older I wouldn't be concerned for him. His age concerns me, especially when RCC likes to come back. It tends to spread long before nephrectomy takes place and can take years to show itself. I saw some talk on a video, people discussing clean margins? Clean margins mean nothing. Tiffany a perfect example..... Clean margins after surgery but it was sat there in her lung quietly.
Only time will tell for Brian. Future CT scans. Adjuvent immunotherapy is available to UK patients 3 months after partial or full nephrectomy, I hope this is available in the USA.
Most nephrectomys are now done by keyhole surgery or robotics, his recovery will be quick. Some patients need a rib removed during surgery, others don't.
Such great information you share @Saydee , you are sadly such an expert on this topic now. I have actually shared that smart patients website with someone, thank you for putting it out there some time ago. I had no idea I might ever need it, but it came to pass that an acquaintance of mine was diagnosed with cancer. I felt helpless and could only offer that portal that you had shared here and I had saved for no particular reason. It came in handy sooner than I had imagined. Thank you for giving so freely of your knowledge; I have quoted your posts so I can find them easily in my own history here.

You must be so helpful to those only just receiving a diagnosis, you could save someone so much time and confusion. If I were diagnosed with cancer, I would want contact with someone like you ASAP to help me navigate my way through. You are a wealth of knowledge.

If there are no tumour markers, so someone has to go for ongoing scans (of their entire body??) to maintain vigilence for metastases elsewhere? "NED" must bring cold comfort to patients, it unfortunately must bring a false sense of security to many.

He is 10 days post-surgery, is it unusual that he is still in a lot of pain? Of course, I don't know when this video was actually filmed...

Thank you for so much information. I hope you and your family are doing well. I really hope the Krocks peek in here and find your invaluable posts or others in need may stumble upon them.

Some patients need a rib removed during surgery, others don't.
Oh my! :oops:
 
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Daisychain4

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Huge risk agreed. It’s very early days when you are on regular scanning every 4 months. Even the ‘inflammation’ in Brian’s small intestine is a worry given his history of cancer.
It would be beneficial to know if either of their cancers, or even both perhaps contained the mutation to be passed on to offspring. I know this can be looked into so children of parents who died or had cancer can be identified as at risk and monitored during their lifetime.
If Brian is going to be the stay at home dad for all their kids … good luck to that! He will need some additional willpower for a complete makeover given they even harp on about needing naps after just some travel and appointments!
 
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TryingMyBest

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as I recall Jessica has been working during treatment...I remember her mentioning work.I may be off on that but remember thinking that was tough given how she felt physically and mentally.Brian is not working as I understand it.
Jessica has worked at a concert PR company for many years. She has always posted attending many concerts because of her job.

Brian was a podcast producer at his last job
 
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LeonorG

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I have always been of the opinion that the more extreme the diet you are on the more likely you will go off. Just a good balanced diet with lots of fish and chicken (non red meat) and veggies really works long term. Just my opinion. Needs to be simple and sustainable. Plant based can be fine but some of the potato and other extreme diets Krocks have been on are not sustainable. And exercise of course is important.
100%. It's well-known that the more you restrict or try to control, the harder it will be to stick with it. Even consciously going on a "diet" is considered harmful and little beneficial. It is very difficult to get out of the dieting pattern. It can lead to binging and overeating. You can end up with eating disorders in the process which are very hard to get rid of.
 
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Turaj

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Just watched the update video. I’m a bit confused but it seems like overall he’s in a good place? I’m a bit confused as to whether he’s cancer-free now that he’s had the surgery, because from what I understood the disease hadn’t spread anywhere else. Is the treatment he’s thinking of having now more of a preventive measure so it doesn’t come back?
they can never be sure some cells have not escaped. In that case often the adjuvant treatment is offered and doctors will give you the pros and cons of doing the treatment. He has a big decision to make. Right now nothing is seen.
 
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mayday mayday

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When I heard they used a cousin as a surrogate mother, my first reaction was to be happy that they didn’t exploit some poor woman from another country like a lot of people do, but my second reaction was that it might lead to a whole lot of mess. So many people enter these arrangements thinking everyone’s going to be cool with it — the surrogate mother won’t get attached and the biological mother won’t get jealous or insecure — and yet drama often arises because these emotions pop up anyway no matter what the original intentions were.
Interesting anecdote .. at least to me LOL. A doctor at work had two surrogate moms carrying babies ... at the same time!! The babies were born 5 months apart. So they can't really be called twins ..
 
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I think Jessica would have a nervous breakdown if she discovered she had a thread on Tattle. Silly stupid teasing on her channel caused a mental health decline. Very fragile lady.
I know right!! That's what happens when you share your privacy with the world and make an income from it. I think (hope) that Jessica and Brian will handle things online well. As long as they "make good choices" they will be OK here.
 
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