Katherine Ryan

[b20212017]

Sorry but it's different. There's no point in showing off a baby sucking on a bottle because with breastfeeding it's about the personal connection. There's no personal connection with an interchangable piece of rubber is there. It's also really amazing and emotional being able to feed your baby from your own body.

Showing breastfeeding gives breastfeeding mums a bad name?! What in the 1950s misogynistic body shaming is this? Breasts are for breastfeeding not sure what your problem is.

I agree with your second point, it’s misogyny. Showing breastfeeding is just sharing part of the journey.
But the first part feels very intended to upset someone who can’t or doesn’t breastfeed. There is still emotional connection when bottle feeding. Eye contact and that quiet time is incredibly important in the bonding experience, bottle or breast. Don’t diminish that.
I say that as someone who breastfed until my daughter was four. Let’s not try and upset or exclude the experience of anyone because of how they feed their baby. Fed is best.

 

[Joexotica]

The victim complex around formula feeding every time breast feeding is discussed or shown needs to stop! Overwhelmingly the statistics show that people choose to formula feed in the majority of cases and anecdotally in my own life I know that breastfeeding is in the minority yet people still shriek about about discriminated against for formula feeding.

 

[b20212017]

The victim complex around formula feeding every time breast feeding is discussed or shown needs to stop! Overwhelmingly the statistics show that people choose to formula feed in the majority of cases and anecdotally in my own life I know that breastfeeding is in the minority yet people still shriek about about discriminated against for formula feeding.

And the choice as to how you feed your child is a choice women are allowed to make and they shouldn’t be demonised or made to feel bad about it

 

[rosieflowers]

I agree with your second point, it’s misogyny. Showing breastfeeding is just sharing part of the journey.
But the first part feels very intended to upset someone who can’t or doesn’t breastfeed. There is still emotional connection when bottle feeding. Eye contact and that quiet time is incredibly important in the bonding experience, bottle or breast. Don’t diminish that.
I say that as someone who breastfed until my daughter was four. Let’s not try and upset or exclude the experience of anyone because of how they feed their baby. Fed is best.

Of course there's still emotional connection when bottle feeding but not with the bottle itself and that's why people don't post close ups of bottle feeding, they post themselves feeding the baby or something. I agree the closeness of feeding a baby however way is really special.

That's why I think it's pure misogyny to recoil at a closeup photo of someone's breast

 

[femmegirly]

Sorry but it's different. There's no point in showing off a baby sucking on a bottle because with breastfeeding it's about the personal connection. There's no personal connection with an interchangable piece of rubber is there. It's also really amazing and emotional being able to feed your baby from your own body.

Showing breastfeeding gives breastfeeding mums a bad name?! What in the 1950s misogynistic body shaming is this? Breasts are for breastfeeding not sure what your problem is.

It’s hella misogynistic to say that there’s no personal connection between mother and baby with bottle-feeding too. Not everyone can. I breastfed for 9 months because I could, and I hated it. Stop pitting women against one another ffs.

 

[rosieflowers]

It’s hella misogynistic to say that there’s no personal connection between mother and baby with bottle-feeding too. Not everyone can. I breastfed for 9 months because I could, and I hated it. Stop pitting women against one another ffs.

I didn't say there's no personal connection with mother and baby, theres no personal connection between bottle and baby or mother and bottle though. So obviously as the original poster said noone is gonna be taking close up pics of a bottle in a baby's mouth but it's understandable why people take close up pics of them feeding their baby from their own body. It's wonderful. I mean there is obviously a reason why you did it for 9 months even though you hated it - because nutritionally at rhe very least it is better for baby and that's something to be proud of that you gave your baby that
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Breastfeeding advocates get all the vitriol for shaming in his argument but it was @juy7nhio that started all this by implying Katherine is weird and giving women a bad name by simply posting a pic of herself breastfeeding. Noone would blink an eye if @juy7nhio wanted to post a pic of herself bottle feeding so I don't know why bottle feeders have to get on the defensive when they see a pic of a woman breastfeeding

 

[Love_hate_small_town]

Oh gawd please don’t let this turn into a breastfeeding v bottle feeding whirlpool of defensiveness.

 

[femmegirly]

I didn't say there's no personal connection with mother and baby, theres no personal connection between bottle and baby or mother and bottle though. So obviously as the original poster said noone is gonna be taking close up pics of a bottle in a baby's mouth but it's understandable why people take close up pics of them feeding their baby from their own body. It's wonderful. I mean there is obviously a reason why you did it for 9 months even though you hated it - because nutritionally at rhe very least it is better for baby and that's something to be proud of that you gave your baby that
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Breastfeeding advocates get all the vitriol for shaming in his argument but it was @juy7nhio that started all this by implying Katherine is weird and giving women a bad name by simply posting a pic of herself breastfeeding. Noone would blink an eye if @juy7nhio wanted to post a pic of herself bottle feeding so I don't know why bottle feeders have to get on the defensive when they see a pic of a woman breastfeeding

There are zero photos of me breastfeeding my kids anywhere on my social media, let alone out in the wild where anyone can see them. Do you know why not? Because I couldn’t then control how anyone might view, save or share that image. There are a lot of sick people out there. Breastfeeding is normal. It is literally the one and only reason women have breasts, and yes of course it should be celebrated and normalised, but I wouldn’t, for a single second, take the risk of allowing a photo of me and my kid ending up in the wrong hands. People can be so naive sharing photos like that online.

 

[Venuslurker]

Everytime I click on this thread I hope for more Katherine goss and bobby k shade but all I get is breastfeeding posts. It's one of the most boring debates ever.

 

[Meowsy]

Of course, nothing says “personal connection” like posting it on Instagram.

 

[Love_hate_small_town]

Everytime I click on this thread I hope for more Katherine goss and bobby k shade but all I get is breastfeeding posts. It's one of the most boring debates ever.

Why aren’t more people commenting on BK’s lid?
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On her latest podcast she spoke about how rough it is on your relationship having 2 young kids and I do appreciate that honesty, it is tit. But also think she was a bit too shocked when the letter writer said she hadn’t slept with her partner for a year after having a traumatic birth which I don’t think is that weird but KR was all. It saying she should’ve put in a maintenance bag. I really felt for the woman who wrote in.

 

[juy7nhio]

I didn't say there's no personal connection with mother and baby, theres no personal connection between bottle and baby or mother and bottle though. So obviously as the original poster said noone is gonna be taking close up pics of a bottle in a baby's mouth but it's understandable why people take close up pics of them feeding their baby from their own body. It's wonderful. I mean there is obviously a reason why you did it for 9 months even though you hated it - because nutritionally at rhe very least it is better for baby and that's something to be proud of that you gave your baby that
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Breastfeeding advocates get all the vitriol for shaming in his argument but it was @juy7nhio that started all this by implying Katherine is weird and giving women a bad name by simply posting a pic of herself breastfeeding. Noone would blink an eye if @juy7nhio wanted to post a pic of herself bottle feeding so I don't know why bottle feeders have to get on the defensive when they see a pic of a woman breastfeeding

I'm amazed that you call me misognystic when you are clearly slating bottle feeding mums.

I think posting many pictures of you breastfeeding and closeups is weird yes. Why do you feel the need to whip out a camera if you're having such a 'wonderful' and 'personal connection' with your baby in that moment? That's paradoxical for sure !

Anyway let's leave this, we do not agree.


Mod edit let's leave this here as there's a thread in offtopic if people want to talk about this

 

[Noname123]

Why aren’t more people commenting on BK’s lid?
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On her latest podcast she spoke about how rough it is on your relationship having 2 young kids and I do appreciate that honesty, it is tit. But also think she was a bit too shocked when the letter writer said she hadn’t slept with her partner for a year after having a traumatic birth which I don’t think is that weird but KR was all. It saying she should’ve put in a maintenance bag. I really felt for the woman who wrote in.

Yes far too shocked at the not having sex for a year comment I think! Ok we get it, you and Bobby Kay Kay bag.

 

[Venuslurker]

I dunno I think it's kind of mad to not bag for a whole year! It makes it into a "thing" aswell.

 

[Natterbox80]

I dunno I think it's kind of mad to not bag for a whole year! It makes it into a "thing" aswell.

A year can turn into 4, I can vouch for this . When you haven't snagged someone for a year, to me they become a friend. Unless I dunno both parties are just not into sex, that that is rare.

 

[Love_hate_small_town]

A year can turn into 4, I can vouch for this . When you haven't snagged someone for a year, to me they become a friend. Unless I dunno both parties are just not into sex, that that is rare.

Fair point and I think you are right, I can see how it could become a slippery slope.

I guess it is a long time but she also said that the birth was traumatic and it sounded awful so I think that wipes out 6 months but yeah I guess after that is stretching it a bit. Honestly, I would’ve preferred not to have sex for a year after the birth of mine . I was so touched out and just no energy for anything. Husband annoying the crap out of me. Literally did maintenance shags but then he’d get all optimistic that we were ‘back on track’ and think we were magically going to go back to a near daily thing. He’d really try to keep the momentum going bless him. It’s better now but if I could’ve pressed a button that would’ve made him not want to have sex for that time I would’ve pressed it (many times like while waiting for a tardy lift).

 

[Craftyh]

Did I fall onto mumsnet by accident? I can assure you all no one gives a flying f how you feed your kids, what reasons it’s for or your opinions on it. Build a bridge and get over it

 

[TriviaNewtonJohn]

It looks like it has moved on to sex droughts.

 

[Natterbox80]

It looks like it has moved on to sex droughts.

It is called talking about what Katherine is also herself is talking about ffs! We are discussing something from her podcast, do you even listen to that? If you find it boring, this is KR in a nutshell now, also boring af.

 

[TriviaNewtonJohn]

Ok - I was defending the thread for having moved on but fair enough