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Just caught up, what a thread. Plenty I agree with, some I don’t, but so nice to see a discussion on the unstoppable tide of the transgender community with nuance and a lack of personal attacks, which you certainly don’t see elsewhere online.

I have a question for everyone. Do you think your opinion on MTF trans people In women’s spaces is dependent on various factors? Such as if they “pass”, if they’ve had surgery. Personally I have no real issue with a MTF trans person who has had years of treatment, surgery and life experiences who dresses well and behaves in a calm and dignified fashion, but this new generation of trans people who think they don’t have to change at all except put on ridiculously short skirts creep me out.

I know JK touched on this with her friend, but I feel like 20 years ago when trans people were a tiny percentage of the population that it was a small amount of people getting the help they needed and they were genuinely happy to be living the life that was right for them, but these days trans appears to be a badge that it’s easy to put upon yourself to look more woke or to earn some extra points in the oppression Olympics. I have a friend who is trans and has lived as a woman for over a decade, and I feel like this new generation of woke kids wanting attention in women’s spaces make the world a more dangerous place for people like her.

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Yes I mostly agree. MTF who have had surgery I don't have a problem with and I think most them just want to live their lives in peace. My main concern has always been the idea that any man can potentially claim to be a woman without doing any sort of reassignment (bar wearing a dress) to access female only spaces. Some of those people are taking the piss.
 
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THANK YOU for this thread. I have reached the end of my tether with social media being an echo-chamber if anti-Rowling hate. I saw people condoning her ex-husband’s abuse. Calling for her name to be removed from all future publications of HP. This cancel culture is utterly toxic.

I will find it interesting to see how HP “influencers” will respond to this. People like Tessa Netting, Cherry Wallis etc... have spoken out against this, but so much of their content is based on licensed merch, visiting the studio tour/universal etc... how can they square that circle?

The one response I thought handled it well was Evanna Lynch. She actually seemed to speak from the heart and not just talk to an echo chamber.
 
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This is absolutely disgusting. I used to work in publishing and this sort of behaviour would not have been tolerated then.
I can't get over this. If you worked in the publishing house and didn't want to take part because 1. You don't believe in silencing women and 2. You just want to get the hell on with your job unlike spoilt authoritarian brats, does this mean you're crossing the picket line and would be deemed a bigot, transphobe, terf? I am so sick of this all
 
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I can't get over this. If you worked in the publishing house and didn't want to take part because 1. You don't believe in silencing women and 2. You just want to get the hell on with your job unlike spoilt authoritarian brats, does this mean you're crossing the picket line and would be deemed a bigot, transphobe, terf? I am so sick of this all
Frankly if I was JK I'd be looking for another publisher. If the Managing Editor has any sense these workers will be disciplined/suspended. Who do they think is keeping the company in business? JK sells a lot of books and most publishers would be desperate to have her on their list.

As i said before I worked in publishing for 20 years and Ive never heard of this happening before. It smacks of censorship, mob rule and totally goes against the idea of a free press.
 
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Frankly if I was JK I'd be looking for another publisher. If the Managing Editor has any sense these workers will be disciplined/suspended. Who do they think is keeping the company in business? JK sells a lot of books and most publishers would be desperate to have her on their list.

As i said before I worked in publishing for 20 years and Ive never heard of this happening before. It smacks of censorship, mob rule and totally goes against the idea of a free press.
you know what's funny? this is mostly happening in english countries
 
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Does any one else think it's interesting that people are spitting feathers because JKR is standing up for protection of women and their safe spaces and being 'cancelled' for lack of a better word yet Roman Polanski and Woody Allen still have their films made and aired with very little criticism or protest.

I know that one published puller out of Woody Allen's autobiography but that was more to do with Ronan Farrow being linked with them and his criticism imo.
 
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Does any one else think it's interesting that people are spitting feathers because JKR is standing up for protection of women and their safe spaces and being 'cancelled' for lack of a better word yet Roman Polanski and Woody Allen still have their films made and aired with very little criticism or protest.

I know that one published puller out of Woody Allen's autobiography but that was more to do with Ronan Farrow being linked with them and his criticism imo.
it's digusting, Roman and Woody are rapists and molesters - I can appreciate their works but people need to stop picking and choosing. JKR said things that were interpreted as offensive by some people and people are trying to ruin her career, these two are actual abusers and no one cares. If she wasn't already so rich and powerfull - publishers want her because she sells books, her life/career would be over.
 
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Does any one else think it's interesting that people are spitting feathers because JKR is standing up for protection of women and their safe spaces and being 'cancelled' for lack of a better word yet Roman Polanski and Woody Allen still have their films made and aired with very little criticism or protest.

I know that one published puller out of Woody Allen's autobiography but that was more to do with Ronan Farrow being linked with them and his criticism imo.
I mainly agree but remember Allen hasn't been convicted of any crime (unlike Polanski). Allegations have been made against him but not proved. I'm not saying that he hasn't done anything questionable but the world should not be a kangaroo court for people outside of the law to decide who is guilty or not.
 
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I mainly agree but remembered Allen hasn't been convicted of any crime (unlike Polanski). Allegations have been made against him but not proved. I'm not saying that he hasn't done anything questionable but the world should not be a kangaroo court for people outside of the law to decide who is guilty or not.
didn't know that.. still though he has those allegations against him and i dont see the twitter soldiers coming for him
 
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didn't know that.. still though he has those allegations against him and i dont see the twitter soldiers coming for him
Yes I do agree obviously when you compare what has been alleged against him and JK making a few tweets. How is she getting more grief? The answer is misogyny of course
 
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I mainly agree but remember Allen hasn't been convicted of any crime (unlike Polanski). Allegations have been made against him but not proved. I'm not saying that he hasn't done anything questionable but the world should not be a kangaroo court for people outside of the law to decide who is guilty or not.
The Dylan Farrow allegations he has not been convicted of and whilst technically not illegal the way his relationship with his current wife started was messed up. He and Mia Farrow had been in a relationship for years and had a child together and he still had an affair with her adopted daughter. It doesn't matter if he didn't raise her she is legally his son's sister.
 
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Hatchette (publisher) have told their writers that (paraphrasing) 'they would never want to force them to work on something they were uncomfortable with, BUT.... we wont change who we are publishing because of a protest'

LOL
 
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Hatchette (publisher) have told their writers that (paraphrasing) 'they would never want to force them to work on something they were uncomfortable with, BUT.... we wont change who we are publishing because of a protest'

LOL
That means suck it up or the work goes to someone else 😄

The Dylan Farrow allegations he has not been convicted of and whilst technically not illegal the way his relationship with his current wife started was messed up. He and Mia Farrow had been in a relationship for years and had a child together and he still had an affair with her adopted daughter. It doesn't matter if he didn't raise her she is legally his son's sister.
I agree he's creepy as tit
 
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I’ve just ordered new copies of all the Harry Potter books as my old ones were looking a bit tatty!
 
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For me it’s not just about toilets.

I, of course, do believe trans people have rights. I recognise they are a marginalised group. I believe that gender is a social construct.

i will also say this; women have difficulty entering public spaces. From catcalling, to being groped, to being abused - all of this behaviour stems from the public sphere historically being the Male domain, something that is still present in the psyche of people today. We have had to fight and negotiate for our place in this public sphere - to be able to walk down the street in a skirt and not have it be commented upon. To be able to walk alone at night. By virtue of being born with a specific set of genitalia, women have been removed from certain privileges. We continue to fight for these.

There is also the fact that, statistically, the vast vast majority of women have been sexually harassed or assaulted in the UK. I’d go so far to say that every single woman in the U.K. has experienced a form of harassment or assault at some point, ranging from unwanted advances in a pub, to someone grabbing your bum, to full on attacks. It is prevalent. I include myself among this statistic, as does JK.

I also do not see trans women as being a threat or as being perpetrators of this abuse at all. Most I’ve known are gentle souls with more empathy than most. This isn’t about these people being abusive.

for me the issue is this; women have carefully negotiated their place in the public sphere. If we - as a society - deem any people who are biologically Male AND decide they identify as the gender female, should have access to these spaces, it removes arenas that have been ringfenced for biological/cis women and it opens our public spheres to anyone who claims they are a woman. It’s opens our protected rights and spaces to exploitation.

we have had the vote for just a hundred years, compared to thousands of years of oppression. Until relatively recently, a woman was property of her male relatives or husband with few legal rights. It is mind numbing, just how recent this state of affairs was.

it isn’t about if I mind a trans woman in a bathroom; it’s about minding if a trans woman can use female only gym areas, women’s only swimming sessions, designated women’s sporting events, women’s changing rooms, women’s domestic abuse facilities, women’s health facilities and so on.

in worst case scenarios, women who have been subject to abuse from men (I volunteered in a charity supporting these women) sometimes find they cannot feel safe or secure in the presence of men. To state that any biological Male should have access to these women’s spaces based on their gender identity alone, is an idea worthy of discussion at the very least. No one should have TERF yelled at them over it.
Great post. I have a few trans friends and so constantly I am educating myself on their fears also - mostly being murdered, they live in the US. Trans women have a right to safety and protection as equally as non trans women do and we need to work together to find solutions so that everyone feels safe and have equal rights.

Great post. I have a few trans friends and so constantly I am educating myself on their fears also - mostly being murdered, they live in the US. Trans women have a right to safety and protection as equally as non trans women do and we need to work together to find solutions so that everyone feels safe and have equal rights.
Just to add - i have been a victim of sexual assault twice by men which affects my everyday behaviour. This morning i walked to the shops without a bra on but wore a light jacket over the top because i didn't want to attract attention but i kept it unzipped - it was bleeping hot. On my walk home i saw a group of men walking towards me - i stopped and zipped up my jacket as i couldn't be assed with possible staring or comments - they probably didn't even notice me, i hate that i felt i had to do that but that is what sexual assault conditions you to do, to protect yourself. However my experiences and conditioning do not prejudice my view that a trans woman deserves any less protection or rights than i do. We are all equally worthy of being and feeling safe
 
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As a woman in find it demeaning to call me a person who mensturates. I bleeping hate my periods and fail to see why I apparently now have to refer to myself as a bodily function so as not to offend people.

Yes not all women have periods including trans women, and some trans men who all have not started treatment might have periods but this is a small number of people and I don't understand why trans people are so offended by this. A women who has been through the menopause or has had a hysterectomy is no less a woman because her periods have stopped.

Periods do not make you a woman and being a woman does not mean you have to have periods.

The original tweet put out does deserve all the backlash that has been given. I appreciate that there is wider context with JK Rowling and things in the past and her recent post regarding the abuse she suffered. She has never in everything I have read said she hates trans people. It is completely right that if someone is trans they have the right to change their gender and live how they want but in also think that this needs to be done with caution and the right support and for the right reasons and that there needs to be proper debate about protecting the rights of both trans women and cis women. This is especially true for those who have suffered trauma.

Most of the comments on twitter and things that the HP cast have said are basically shutting down debate which needs to happen to protect both sides.
I have been a woman my entire life...... I always believed that it was the person inside who mattered, whether you were kind or nasty , lazy or a hard worker etc. I grew up at a time when appearances didn't matter, and when we didn't have as much money to spend on clothes, make up etc

So I get so confused about trans issues, cos What difference does the packaging on the outside make? Why does someone's external or internal appearance matter or be relevant? If you want to dress as a man or as a woman, so what? So if someone wants to identify as a man or woman, thats fine by me, but why does it need to interfere with my identity and how I see myself as a woman?

What I do find frustrating is that...my old definition of what it is to be a woman....is no longer valid. I am no longer a woman because i was born female, I am now a CIS woman. Why has my defintion of what a woman is been changed? Who asked me if it was ok to change the definition?

Of course part of being a woman is about the biological facts of sex, periods, pregnancy, menopause, mood swings etc,.....same as being a man is about having a pen, having a broader chest, having a lower voice, having higher testosterone levels.......etc

Being a woman, for me is nothing about wearing particular clothes, or having to wear make up or high heels, or liking pink and fluffy cute kittens....which is what is confusing to me about some trans women, like caitlyn Jenner, who are all about the external appearance.
 
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Great post. I have a few trans friends and so constantly I am educating myself on their fears also - mostly being murdered, they live in the US. Trans women have a right to safety and protection as equally as non trans women do and we need to work together to find solutions so that everyone feels safe and have equal rights.


Just to add - i have been a victim of sexual assault twice by men which affects my everyday behaviour. This morning i walked to the shops without a bra on but wore a light jacket over the top because i didn't want to attract attention but i kept it unzipped - it was bleeping hot. On my walk home i saw a group of men walking towards me - i stopped and zipped up my jacket as i couldn't be assed with possible staring or comments - they probably didn't even notice me, i hate that i felt i had to do that but that is what sexual assault conditions you to do, to protect yourself. However my experiences and conditioning do not prejudice my view that a trans woman deserves any less protection or rights than i do. We are all equally worthy of being and feeling safe
Thank you for sharing your experiences. I agree in that I want everyone to feel safe but this should never be at the expense of someone else feeling unsafe.
 
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