personally I think they wouldn't be safe there, but why not have their own bathrooms?
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Gender dysphoria isn’t a mental illness. However if it were why is that a problem and why should the mentally ill be denigrated?
Gender dysphoria is a condition of extreme distress when there is a disconnect between ones physical sex and ones gender identity. The medical treatment for this is to allow the person to transition, however far they themself deem appropriate.
If someone with gender dysphoria cannot transition they are highly likely to take their own life.
If any person with bad intentions wanted to compromise a “woman’s space” all they need do is walk through the door. There’s no magic shield. We have respect one another as human beings and keep each other safe.
this is such a narrow-minded argument “I’m ok with it so everyone else should be”.
Lots of salons are female only, and lots of women do not want to have to face male genitalia as part of their job - they may have religious reasons for this, they may have significant trauma from grape, maybe they just don’t feel as comfortable as you do, and they should have the right to enforce that.
FYI, Jessica Yaniv deliberately targeted women of colour from religious backgrounds in the lawsuits, knowing full well they would not want to engage with a pen due to religious beliefs. It was a racist attack as well as a misogynistic one.
The trans lobby is inherently anti women. Look at the comments on this thread. If they were supportive of gays and lesbians why have they alienated lesbians by arguing that they are homophobic for refusing to sleep with trans women. Leave women alone. Leave us be. And stop calling us cis. We are not a sub set of woman. We are women. Not cis, not bleeders, not menstruators, not cervix holders. Women. Adult female human. Woman.
So I'm a bigot because I have questions about a topic? alrighty then.
No, but they were forced to pursue legal advice and representation to defend themselves. Expensive and time-consuming, not to mention stressful.
Yaniv may not represent the trans community, but the fact is that the trans community and their pushing for rights that trample women have absolutely enabled Yaniv’s actions, whether they support them or not.
Never said that why are you putting words in my mouth?
what exactly is extreme distress? a psychological disorder?
If someone with gender dysphoria cannot transition they are highly likely to take their own life.
Stop perpetuating the damaging myth that trans people not able to transition kill themselves.
IT’S NOT TRUE.
Transitioning makes no difference to rates of suicide in the trans community, and while we’re at it, the suicide stats peddled by Mermaids et al are entirely falsified.
Stop perpetuating the damaging myth that trans people not able to transition kill themselves.
IT’S NOT TRUE.
Transitioning makes no difference to rates of suicide in the trans community, and while we’re at it, the suicide stats peddled by Mermaids et al are entirely falsified.
Making a distinction between gender dysphoria and mental illness is gaslighting and it’s insidious. And you know it.
This is true, also it's better for them to ask if a spa does male genetalia in advance because it's a different method since the skin is looser
This is actually gross.
Women are fighting for women's rights whilst women vilify them for actually looking our for them.
No one answered my question.
Just a politician answer. I'd be interested to see any woman ok with the below.
A genuine question for those who think I'm a bigot and transphobic....if you were the beautician faced with waxing a pair of hairy balls what would you do?
Knowing full well if you say no you'll be accused of being transphobic and possibly losing your job. So what would you do?
Women are fighting for women's rights whilst women vilify them for actually looking our for them.
No one answered my question.
Just a politician answer. I'd be interested to see any woman ok with the below.A genuine question for those who think I'm a bigot and transphobic....if you were the beautician faced with waxing a pair of hairy balls what would you do?
Knowing full well if you say no you'll be accused of being transphobic and possibly losing your job. So what would you do?
I can't even look beyond the use of narrow-minded given that you and everyone else in this thread is the epitome of it. I am a lesbian with trauma from grape and while I absolutely agree that not every person is going to be equipped to wax some balls or whatever else it might be, I can also recognise that it's a fairly... ridiculous argument to fight against trans rights and the existence of trans people. And that is where my issue lies. Because there is always a loophole with you guys, a reason why trans people shouldn't get to exist peacefully for the sake of the comfort of a few bigots who grasp at straws and pick out potential isolated incidents that could happen with cis men, etc.
Yaniv is an isolated incident that this thread is using to tar the entire trans community with. My own sexual trauma would never allow me to be with someone who has a pen - and aside from that, I am not attracted to them. I know that may upset some trans people; I know that will have me be painted a certain way by some, but that doesn't stop me from caring about trans people being afforded the same rights and respect as everyone else because I care deeply about making sure these people are helped, understood and protected from the horrible statistics that sit heavy in their existence.
Still ok?
Sharon Davies also speaks frankly and openly about the concerns of the trans women over shadowing female athletes.
Not fair but again not a good enough argument for those who are brain washed
Sod men who have a pen being upset because you don't fancy them. Are you honestly saying you feel sorry for them because you may reject them???
We are living in a dangerous patriarchy when a women is apologetic about not fancying men
So you did put words in my mouth. I legitimately don't know how to categorize it, which was why I was asking my questions and asking to be educated on the topic. This isn't taught in my country at all and in a lot of others, maybe you should think about that before being rude. So instead of trying to educate myself so that I can have a properly formed opinion and not be blindly hateful like the majority of my peers, I'm supposed to stay ignorant or blindly follow the pack or else I'm hatefull or something?
My son is trans (FTM) and thankfully we've not really had any huge hiccups in terms of his acceptance. His friends are great, our family are great. His bio dad... not so great, but he's not in his life anyway. He finds it hard that there are some 'activists' out there that ARE taking it too far. He couldn't give a rats ass about a lot of the issues being brought up by these people. The phrase 'women menstrate' doesn't bother HIM but he says he knows others that it does bother. but he thinks there's bigger fish to try.
Anyway re: the bathrooms. He looks like a boy, but he does opt for unisex bathrooms if there is one. If not, he will go to the women's bathroom because he worries what people would say if he uses the mens. Personally I don't think anyone would even notice but it's his choice. He'll go in the mens if he's with his brothers but otherwise he goes in the female. It doesn't bother him that much right now if he really needs the bathroom, but he usually tries to avoid going in public to save the hassle of trying to decide. Does he go into the male and risk people calling him out for not being a cismale? Or does he go into the female and risk being called a boy?
I think unisex bathrooms are a useful solution for that dilemma (alongside a female/male bathroom, not instead of) but I also don't really personally see the issue with letting transwomen use female bathrooms, and vice versa. But obviously I have factors that could make that opinion biased.
Anyway re: the bathrooms. He looks like a boy, but he does opt for unisex bathrooms if there is one. If not, he will go to the women's bathroom because he worries what people would say if he uses the mens. Personally I don't think anyone would even notice but it's his choice. He'll go in the mens if he's with his brothers but otherwise he goes in the female. It doesn't bother him that much right now if he really needs the bathroom, but he usually tries to avoid going in public to save the hassle of trying to decide. Does he go into the male and risk people calling him out for not being a cismale? Or does he go into the female and risk being called a boy?
I think unisex bathrooms are a useful solution for that dilemma (alongside a female/male bathroom, not instead of) but I also don't really personally see the issue with letting transwomen use female bathrooms, and vice versa. But obviously I have factors that could make that opinion biased.
It’s a bloody bike ride. All cyclists can duck for all I’m concerned.
It's women like us who are fighting to protect women like you from further trauma! The trans lobby have vilified lesbians and argued that they are inhumane for not sleeping with trans women. You say you wouldn't be able to sleep with a teams woman, surely you can understand the anger from lesbians who are being told they are homophobic for rejecting pen? And just like you don't want to sleep with a trans woman due to previous trauma, I don't want to share toilet with a trans woman due to previous trauma. Why is your trauma valid and mine bigotry?
Really? So that's your argument. Wow!!!
Women have trained and dedicated their whole lives to be professional athletes and a man comes along and basically makes a mockery of the whole thing.
And then you have women just saying it's A bloody bike....wow oh wow
Where have I said trans people shouldn’t exist peacefully? Where have I said I don’t want trans people to have rights?
You are either misunderstanding or deliberately twisting what we are saying? We even agree on the fact that lesbians shouldn’t be forced to sleep with people who have a pen (indeed, nobody should be forced to sleep with anyone they don’t want to).
This is the fact of the matter: I do not want trans people to be able to take away women’s rights, so that means I do not support self ID, or the idea that trans people can change sex.
I do fully support trans people (and everyone) to live as they want to, dress how they want to, call themselves whatever they want to... it’s when it hurts other people that it becomes problematic, and the recent demands of the trans community ARE hurting women and girls.
Feminists have been trying to have a peaceful and respectful conversation about this issue for years, to try and find a conclusion that is fair to all. Instead, trans people and their allies scream us down with falsehoods, twisting our words, shouting “transphobic” at the mere mention of biological sex, getting us deplatformed, fired from our jobs, outing where our kids go to school, encouraging violence against us... just because we want to protect the hard-earned, necessary sex-based rights that protect vulnerable women and girls.
That, to me, is absolutely narrow-minded. I truly hope that when you next reject a transwoman, they don’t come for you violently, or force you out of your LGBT safe spaces, or harrass you and stalk you. Because that is happening to lesbians. That is happening to my friends.
Bolded bit: and herein lies the problem. Transwomen are MEN and statistics show that they retain male pattern criminality. When not accounting for mental illness (as most of them are mentally ill), they are actually 2.3 times more likely than ordinary males to commit male-pattern crimes. They also retain male strength and most of them retain male genitalia. In other words they retain all of the reasons why females need to be protected from them in the first place.
As for “they just want to take a goddamn pee”, then why can’t they do it in male bathrooms? Don’t say for safety because according to you, toilets aren’t a magic shield against criminals. The truth is they want validation of their girlie feelings by invading the women’s toilets.
The even more detailed truth is that most “transwomen” these days are autogynephiles.
They are so narcissistic that they are sexually attracted to the idea of themselves as females. They get sexually aroused by everything to do with themselves being female, with the ultimate sexual arousal coming from other people “validating” their displays of femaleness.
By larping as women in public, they are forcing everyone who comes into contact with them to participate in their sexual fetish. Them demanding access to women’s toilets, hospital wards, changing rooms, and prisons is a sexual violation.
Due to the narcissistic nature of their fetish, when they are denied access, they experience it as a narcissistic injury. This is why they throw violent tantrums and make dishonest suicide threats.
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