J. K. Rowling

[KawaiiAF]

Gosh I wish my posts were as detailed and cohesive as yours!

I'm interested in your theory, I think something is up but can't put my finger on it.

Just post it and disclaim it as a wild conspiracy theory, the truth is often somewhere in between conspiracy theories!

aw thanks! I wish I was concise and to the point as you, I'm way too waffly! It's what comes from late nights not being able to sleep & codeine LOL! I write needless essays! At least I do feel better after though lol!

Ugh it's just the worst about Jk, I don't even know where to begin. Her books are full of symbolism that's just not nice, and apparently she's in some sort of cult. It's all very dark. There's even the symbolims painted on the walls in the great hall, I went on the tour and was staggered. Even the deathly hallows symbolism isn't good. I don't trust her at all now.

 

[Team JCM]

Biological women are also being murdered daily. They also live in daily fear. For both trans women and women, who live in fear of being murdered and under the threat of violence, there’s usually a common denominator. I wonder what that might be?

Yup agree. i wasn’t excluding non trans women from this constant fear also just that trans women as a minority are at a higher, very high, risk of hateful violent crime and murder as they are seen as “freaks” or “oddities” and are targeted specifically.

I understand very deeply about what trans people go through so I don’t need to broaden my understanding but thanks.

Still doesn’t really answer why she wouldn’t be ‘On board’. There’s a difference between being concerned and not being down with it. And calling them bizarre.

I wasn't being patronising I was offering the resources from a trans friend not direct to you, but to all/any interested Tattlers on this thread who may not know where to find the trans communities views. To address comments like the poster calling “bizarre “ which is transphobic.They are women they deserve respect not personal attacks

 

[Oohthedrama]

The lack of diversity in the Books I dont include in my reasons against her.
I hate the excuse 'it was a different time' but back then the majority of books had no diversity especially ones aimed at Children.
Thats why it's so good to see the World progressing in such a open and inclusive way.

I feel like over the years she’s almost re-written so many of their characters to try and appeal to so many communities,
she made Dumbledore gay to get the gay community on board,
I’m shocked she didn’t try to imply Ron was bi or trans at one point.

she can change their sexuality, race and religion a million an one times but shes destroying that whole series with every single twitter rant she goes on.

Because every time she does it she alienates another group of people.

 

[pixxyy]

Not a leap. There is research suggesting that many of those with gender d



You cannot actually have any dialogue or debate with such ridiculous conclusions.

Trans can do want they want ....lop off their willy , be mentally unwell, feel a victim but when grown men use my showers or toilets fuck right off.
I've experienced it several times and it's an invasion of space and safety. Women's rights are at the bottom of the pile.

Last star was Caitlin Jenner being made woman of the year, in sexy lingerie, pouting on the front of a magazine. It's disagraceful.
This is what our girls have as an example of a 'woman' we must aspire to be.

Men rule and unbelievably some woman allow it under the belief they are helping everyone ...luv you're fuelling misogyny and allowing men to keep us down

tbf theres no point arguing with transphobic people as same as racists its unlikely they'll change their view.

 

[pixxyy]

The solution would be trans toilets. Women's spaces would be safeguarded, trans women would not have to share with men and everyone could piss in peace. But trans women on the whole don't want their own toilets. They want OURS.

It's not really about wanting ours though, it's more they want to use Women's Toilets as there Women too.
And I do get why they might not want a 'Trans' toilet option as they & rightly so want to be treated equal & for us to include them.

That's why earlier I posted maybe make toilets with the tap area being more public, so people dont feel like there hidden away where something could happen?

 

[Pra09]

God I'm in the same position! I am and always have been centre left and very politically engaged. Now I'm basically a Tory because in the eyes of the hard left anyone to the centre of Corbyn is a Tory including the majority of the Labour Party. Its depressing and infuriating. They shut down debate on every side. I hate it I have a degree in politics. I have been involved in politics since my teens. I was one of those weirdos that loved government procedure Now I get told I'm brainwashed so many times by people who couldn't give a fuck about politics 3 or 4 years ago/ couldn't be bothered to vote in the Brexit referendum and yet are now outraged by it etc that I dont engage or speak about it anywhere. I have completely disengaged from politics for the first time in my adult life.

AMEN to this, exact same boat.

 

[rosemarina]

Oh, wonderful!

 

[PoleStar]

Vagina Museum

www.vaginamuseum.co.uk

So before the Covid19 lockdown I visited the vagina museum. Below is a screenshot of a notice in the museum. I wasn't wholly on board with this.
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What a load of bollocks.

 

[Pablomamma]

Question: is there a movement around gay men who don’t want to have sex with trans males?

 

[Sunflower91]

Was in hospital recently. There was a trans nurse (not very convincing I have to say).
Anyhow this really puts professionals and patients in a difficult situation.
If trans women are women does that mean I can be examined and treated by a trans woman and no chaperone?
If it is policy to have a chaperone would this peak a trans woman and would they say the hospital is transphobic?

You can have a chaperone for a procedure regardless of the gender of the clinician. You can also stop a procedure at any point if you are uncomfortable, request a different chaperone etc. The reason they have this is as much to protect you as it is the hospital in question. But most people in the medical profession just want to do their job, get paid and go home- regardless of orientation, gender etc.

 

[Handerton]

Oh come on give credit where credit is due, even if you don’t agree with her opinions now. Her writing is incredible and inspired a whole generation of new readers. I remember queuing up for every new Harry Potter, I didn’t do that with any other author growing up! The books were and still are brilliant reads.

I found them dreadful. Overblown, exceptionally simplistic with no real purpose to 90% of the text, no fun to read and simply awful writing. I suppose it’s just taste - I’d hope my kids chose to listen to someone like Marvin Gaye if they wanted to hear good soul music, but can understand why someone as bland and derivative as John Legend sells millions despite being truly dreadful. Problem with kids and reading isnt a lack of good books, its parents finding it easier to jump on “oh Harry Potter is for kids” than spend ten mins off their Facebooks and looking at book reviews to find something decent

 

[totallytaz]

Trans exclusionary radical feminist

Thank you. Saw it here plenty but didn’t know what the initials actually stood for.

 

[jewelkitty]

neovaginas

WAT

 

[Alfies_Boy]

They’re basic saying your depressed and suicidal child is a manipulator who needs affirming or they’ll claim suicide. All the data supports their theory and debunks yours. Sorry but no.

 

[Team JCM]

I really wish I was articulate enough to give a TLDR version! But sadly, I'm far from it!

thanks, I'm just trying to educate myself on the issues so I can form my view. Halfway through her letter then will read from the trans community.

 

[gukkies]

"BUT what about the cis men who WOULD use this as an opportunity to access a women's bathroom?"

Then that's a cis men problem, not a trans problem. That's a problem to do with men constantly raping women no matter the setting. Men will rape women in broad daylight. Men will rape women they're in committed relationships with. As a survivor, it sickens me when other women use rape as an excuse for their bigotry towards the entire trans community. Men have had absolutely NO issues or setbacks raping women so maybe take this issue up with men instead of blaming trans people.

They do deserve rights and respect like any other human. Just not at the expense of women and their rights.

If all trans people want to do is use the bathroom, why does it matter so much to them that they have access to women’s bathrooms to do so? Because it’s not about using the bathroom. It’s about getting everyone else to play make believe along with them. Otherwise they’d be quite happy with access to unisex or otherwise toilets.

You say they deserve respect but then say they're playing "make believe". You clearly do not care about their rights or giving them respect. Trans women want access to women's bathrooms because they are women who want to take a goddamn pee.

 

[Alfies_Boy]

Posie, we know you’re here, you were banned from Mumsnet, banned from Facebook, banned from Twitter. You’ll be banned from Tattle too soon.

Jessica Yaniv is a problematic twat who doesn’t represent the entire trans community. But people like her will get headlines because it pushes the right buttons.

 

[DoreenYadeley]

Redirect Notice

Women should not be put in these fucking horrific situations and be accused of transphobia in the process.

Please stop throwing women under the bus to ensure you look woke and accepting

These links you are posting are isolated incidents involving trans people. They are horrific I agree but they do NOT represent all trans people.

There are horrific news stories around the world involving men, women, trans people, children. These individuals don't represent the entire human race.

These scare tactics are belittling and highly offensive. Instead of accepting people as humans you are shoving them into categories and assigning them beliefs and behaviours which are completely false.

I am not trying to be remotely 'woke' I am simply speaking out against your aggressive and hateful words.

 

[DoreenYadeley]

Yup and now gay and lesbian people are being thrown to the curb in favour of trans people. They are being erased in favour of trans people.
Personally I will always stand with gay people and lesbians over trans (who I've seen spout way more uneducated, hateful vitriol than anyone here).

Excuse me but you're talking absolute crap like most of the people spouting this vile and hateful nonsense.

In no way are trans people erasing gay and lesbian people that's hilarious. It's not a competition!! I'm pretty certain most LGBT people stand united they certainly wouldn't side with your outdated and small-minded views.

I feel sorry for some of the people on here. I hope you get well soon. The confusion and fixation on trans people is bizarre to me.

Trans people are literally just trying to get on with their lives they aren't trying to attack or take over anything. These are the same narratives that supposed "feminists" use time and time again.

Transpeople will not be erased, they have always existed and their voices will be heard.

This thread reeks of white supremacy and entitlement.

 

[DoreenYadeley]

How patronising. You clearly think you are more intelligent and educated than people with the opposite opinion.

Here’s a fact for you: almost all of us who are critical of the transgender movement were once champions of them. We automatically supported them as compassionate and responsible left-wingers. It was only educating ourselves and looking beyond propaganda that changed our minds.

And now you're spouting propaganda and hate speech of your own under the guise of feminism...

If that isn't a gross and crass over-simplification of the issues, questions and opinions rather eloquently laid out in this thread and beyond, then I don't know what is.

All I see in this thread is hate and bigotry. People obsessed and consumed with hatred for trans people simply because they are trans.

The posts are filled with belittling and crass and gross comments about trans people their lives and bodies. Every single bigoted comment over simplifies the trans experience by making light of people's lives and existence.

You all claim to care and are full of compassion... but it is entirely self serving. It's only about issues which concern yourselves.