Isabelle Rose Welsh

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No one is suggesting that he does any of that. What he could have done is arrange a contact centre, see his daughter on a regular basis and notice her broken back, bleeding genitals and bruised and battered body.
He is allowed to grieve in his own way and he's a kid himself, who comes across as very immature, but he is also a dad, who also failed Isabelle.
I'm quite confident in saying that he wasn't maintaining Isabelle. It would be on Facebook if he was.

If just ONLY it was all as simple as u say it. Set up a contact centre etc no way would AW have allowed this not a chance.
Family court is huge waiting lists to even have your case heard or even read.
AW played a victim here she would never have encouraged any contact for him and his daughter. It would have needed to be legally binded. Which would have only happened in a family court.
 
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If just ONLY it was all as simple as u say it. Set up a contact centre etc no way would AW have allowed this not a chance.
Family court is huge waiting lists to even have your case heard or even read.
AW played a victim here she would never have encouraged any contact for him and his daughter. It would have needed to be legally binded. Which would have only happened in a family court.
It's even longer when you dont do anything to actually get on the list.
He doesn't need AWs permission or encouragement. He is a grown man, a father. He could have made his application to court all by himself.
 
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It's even longer when you dont do anything to actually get on the list.
He doesn't need AWs permission or encouragement. He is a grown man, a father. He could have made his application to court all by himself.
Exactly , that’s if he had of wanted to …
Maybe he will be getting a tattoo next ‘ Forever 2 ’ ..
 
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Exactly , that’s if he had of wanted to …
Maybe he will be getting a tattoo next ‘ Forever 2 ’ ..
Honestly the amount of people defending a wasteman dad is shocking! It's just another stick to beat women with. She doesn't let me see my kid. She can't actually stop you, come on. Just excuses.
But as I keep coming back to, and I want to make it clear. JW didnt kill Isabelle and he has a right to be angry, of course. Just that both things can be true.
 
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Any updates today ?
Not seen any live reporting however just seen the jury have now gone out to consider their verdict reported 2hrs ago:

“The jury in the trial of a couple accused of murdering and sexually abusing Isabelle Welsh has gone out to consider its verdict. Alexandra Walker, 26, of Hartington Close, Thornaby, and boyfriend Harrison Simpson, 22, of Greenham Close, Thorntree, both deny murder; allowing the death of a child; sexual assault and child cruelty”
 
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Honestly the amount of people defending a wasteman dad is shocking! It's just another stick to beat women with. She doesn't let me see my kid. She can't actually stop you, come on. Just excuses.
But as I keep coming back to, and I want to make it clear. JW didnt kill Isabelle and he has a right to be angry, of course. Just that both things can be true.

im not defending bio dad as i think he was pretty absent in general but women can stop dads and vice versa seeing their kids
even court ordered they still dont comply and nothing really happens
 
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Verdict tomorrow or Monday I reckon!
I hope there is more media reporting once the verdict is in. Preston Davey's case got more media attention after the verdict.
 
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No one is suggesting that he does any of that. What he could have done is arrange a contact centre, see his daughter on a regular basis and notice her broken back, bleeding genitals and bruised and battered body.
He is allowed to grieve in his own way and he's a kid himself, who comes across as very immature, but he is also a dad, who also failed Isabelle.
I'm quite confident in saying that he wasn't maintaining Isabelle. It would be on Facebook if he was.
We don’t actually know that he didn’t do that. The fact he wasn’t seeing her doesn’t mean he didn’t. It’s possible he had and it was still working it’s way through the courts. Although looking at him, he obviously doesn’t have any money and clearly isn’t the brain of Britain. I doubt he had the money and capability to to know he could do this, fill in all the forms, afford a solicitor for court order or navigate the system himself and even if he had, he would probably have been expected to regularly pay for a very expensive supervised contact centre himself, which he almost certainly couldn’t have afforded. And I don’t think for a moment he realised something so awful would happen to Isabelle. Many men lose contact with their kids, it’s very common, usually there a few consequences aside from destroying the relationship. The kids grow up healthy and happy and they’re fine.

I just hate this modern trend of going round the victims family and digging up info on people who are also victims and not the accused and saying awful things about them. I’m sure his regret over it tortures him every day, I don’t think he deserves people digging up tit on him and picking over his family’s lack of education and misfortunes for kicks.
 
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Verdict tomorrow or Monday I reckon!
I hope there is more media reporting once the verdict is in. Preston Davey's case got more media attention after the verdict.
I thought this was going to be pretty open and shut, particularly in HS case because nobody else could have grape Isabelle. Taking a long time makes me worry they could be thinking of not convicting one of them on all the charges. Hopefully they’re just being very careful.
 
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I thought this was going to be pretty open and shut, particularly in HS case because nobody else could have grape Isabelle. Taking a long time makes me worry they could be thinking of not convicting one of them on all the charges. Hopefully they’re just being very careful.
The mother has been charged with sexual assaulting her also
 
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I think taking a couple of days is fine. The jury needs to process, have breaks, chat, go back over evidence, decide on each charge. 10-4 with a couple of breaks isn't actually a very long time.
A couple of days means they are doing it properly.
 
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We don’t actually know that he didn’t do that. The fact he wasn’t seeing her doesn’t mean he didn’t. It’s possible he had and it was still working it’s way through the courts. Although looking at him, he obviously doesn’t have any money and clearly isn’t the brain of Britain. I doubt he had the money and capability to to know he could do this, fill in all the forms, afford a solicitor for court order or navigate the system himself and even if he had, he would probably have been expected to regularly pay for a very expensive supervised contact centre himself, which he almost certainly couldn’t have afforded. And I don’t think for a moment he realised something so awful would happen to Isabelle. Many men lose contact with their kids, it’s very common, usually there a few consequences aside from destroying the relationship. The kids grow up healthy and happy and they’re fine.

I just hate this modern trend of going round the victims family and digging up info on people who are also victims and not the accused and saying awful things about them. I’m sure his regret over it tortures him every day, I don’t think he deserves people digging up tit on him and picking over his family’s lack of education and misfortunes for kicks.
I think we are going round in circles. However, I will die on a hill that when you become a parent it's literally your job to stay in contact with them and ensure that you are putting them first all the time.
I hope he gets an opportunity to do an impact statement, I think it will help him begin to process this. As I keep saying, he is also a victim too.
 
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Hopefully a guilty verdict will come back today for both of them as there is no way either of them are innocent of this.

Another child let down by her parents, family anf the system how many more times do we have to see this happen.
 
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I feel quite sure of a guilty verdict on all charges for HS, I feel less sure about AW.
I think she was definitely neglectful, she tuned out of looking after her daughter in a haze of Stella, she had her doubts about him and failed to do anything about it or seek medical attention for Isabelle - but I don't feel convinced she SAd or assaulted her.
 
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I feel quite sure of a guilty verdict on all charges for HS, I feel less sure about AW.
I think she was definitely neglectful, she tuned out of looking after her daughter in a haze of Stella, she had her doubts about him and failed to do anything about it or seek medical attention for Isabelle - but I don't feel convinced she SAd or assaulted her.
Yeh the SA charges for AW are the only ones i have a niggling doubt on, i tjink she knew it was happening and allowed it but not sure whether she was actually involved but to me allowing it is almost as bad as doing it so woulf happily see her found guilty of it.

The physical abuse i think she is as guilty as him, wouldnt be at all surprised if she didnt inflict the fatal injury.
 
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I do hope more comes out about this trial after the verdict as it's been hard to follow at times.

I hope justice is served for her. Like Preston, I hope heaven exists so she can be happy and free for eternity.
 
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I really do hope that AW is found guilty of all charges she most definitely knew. Manipultive witch. As far as I can see she posted a new picture of her new hair done 12th September on Facebook her wee girl was brutally murdered the next day. Already suffering the most brutal amount of abuse and she knew took part in it or turned a blind eye. Going by dates her new hair seemed more important and her alcohol consumption. Hope some justice is served here. Not that it will bring back this innocent little child. Agree Bio dad doesn't seem up to much as any father. BUT this is one Manipultive witch playing the victim still if she had one shred of decency in her as a mother she would admit she knew and she saw these bruises. But continues playing the victim. Really hope these 2 get sorted out in prison.
 
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