She definitely thought she could just rock up and just address the court herself, probably planning to regale with the judge with all sorts of irrelevant nonsense. His response so far seems to be shut up and sit down.
Mummy told her, file this and you won’t have to see the bogan again, and daddy will have to come to our house to see you.And we already know how she'll spin this on twitter, sadly. "The judge said Ella couldn't have a lawyer! I didn't know I could have got her a lawyer!" (because Loopy misread all the documents). Not that twitter really matters, but whatever she's saying on twitter she's also screaming at the girls, and that's the sad part.
God, it’s just so SAD. Ella is so young and clueless. What Malice is doing to her is absolutely evil.Okay, I'm still summarizing this thing but here is part 1. At the end there will be a link to the entire summary for the Wiki, so if you'd rather wait for that, it's on its way.
PART 1
Court Transcript SummaryAppearances:
In re The Matter of: Ella B. Evans v. Ioan Gruffudd (Case No. 23SMRO00218) and Ella B. Evans v. Bianca Wallace (Case No. 23STRO03504)
June 23, 2023 – Los Angeles County Superior Court
Hon. Josh Freeman Stinn, Superior Court Judge
Ella B. Evans (“Ella”), Petitioner, representing herself
Ioan Gruffudd (“Ioan”), Respondent, represented by Anne Kiley (also present)
Bianca Wallace (“Bianca”), Respondent, represented by Gregory Jessner and Kyle McGuire (also present)
Also Present:
Alice Evans (“Alice”), representing herself
The hearing begins. The Judge greets Ella and introduces himself to her. The Judge asks Alice if she is Ella’s mother and she responds that she is. Anne Kiley introduces herself as Ioan’s attorney and states that Alice is a party in the dissolution case, not the Domestic Violence Restraining Order (“DVRO”) or Civil Harassment Restraining Order (“CHRO”) request. Anne Kiley states that Alice is not only a party but a potential witness. The Judge notes that Alice may be there as “a support person” for Ella. Gregory Jessner introduces himself and Kyle McGuire as Bianca’s attorneys, and states that the CHRO proceeding is related to the DVRO proceeding against Ioan by Ella. The judge acknowledges this and states that he is going to use the court time before lunch to get everyone “calibrated” and that the main issues probably won’t come up until after lunchtime.
The Judge states that there is an upcoming contested evidentiary hearing on custody on July 13 and July 20, that there is a Domestic Violence Restraining Order against Alice, and that there is Family Code 3044 “lurking in the background.”
(Note: Family Code 3044 is a California law that states that if a party seeking custody of a child has perpetrated domestic violence against the other party seeking custody of the child or against the child or the child’s siblings within the previous 5 years, there is a rebuttable presumption that an award of sole or joint physical or legal custody of a child to a person who has perpetrated domestic violence is detrimental to the best interest of the child.)
The Judge states that he has read through the DVRO request Ella filed against Ioan and the CHRO request that Ella filed against Bianca, and the responses and supportive declarations. He also read Ioan’s response to the DVRO request that morning. The Judge states that his concern is, though Ella has a prerogative and a right to try to bring a domestic violence and civil harassment restraining order case, but that she is 13 years old, and because there is a custody hearing coming up, he wants to make sure that Ella has someone neutral advocating for her. His inclination was to appoint minor’s counsel for Ella and continue the CHRO and DVRO hearings since they all arise out of the same alleged facts that occurred on May 23, 2023. However, he understands that everyone wants to go forward that day.
Alice interrupts the Judge and says “No, not me. I would love for her to have her, your Honor.”
Judge: “Huh?”
Alice: “I would love – she wants a minor’s counsel.”
Judge: “So with – with so much respect, because today you don’t have standing. Okay? You’re not a guardian ad litem—”
Alice: “Yeah. Okay.”
Judge: “And you’re not a party in either of the actions before me.”
Alice: “Oh.”
Judge: “So I really—I can’t hear from you—”
Alice: “Sure.”
Judge: “—in that capacity. Okay?”
Alice: “Sure.”
The Judge addresses the audience and asks if Ella, Ioan, and Bianca want to go forward. Bianca’s attorney agrees. Ioan’s attorney brings up the Family Code as well as a case decided in April of 2023 (A.F. v. Jeffrey F.) which held that the court cannot appoint minor’s counsel in an action seeking relief under the Domestic Violence Prevention Act. The judge states that he hasn’t read that case, but will read it closely over lunch, and that the cases here are so intertwined that it’s difficult to separate them with regard to appointing a minor’s counsel. The judge acknowledges that the court cannot appoint a minor’s counsel in a CHRO proceeding but wants to make sure someone is advocating for Ella.
Anne Kiley states that Ella had every opportunity to have someone represent her; that Ella and her mother prepared the papers with someone’s help; and that Ella brought the request for the restraining order and appeared to seek the restraining order. She could have hired an attorney and she hasn’t.
Alice interrupts the court.
Alice: “Her wants to—sorry. Can you please—”
Judge: “Yes, ma’am?”
Ella: “I’m confused. Like, I don’t know what’s going on.”
The Judge explains to Ella that in a family law case, the court has the authority to appoint minor’s counsel, whereas in a domestic violence proceeding, the court doesn’t have the authority to appoint minor’s counsel. So, the Judge explained that he was trying to see if there was an argument to distinguish Ella’s case from others and appoint minor’s counsel for her. He said, “My instinct is that we go forward after lunch and we don’t have minor’s counsel. And I assume you’re fine with that, because I haven’t heard you ask for an attorney, I haven’t heard you—you certainly didn’t prepare any of your documents and—you know, you’re representing yourself; correct?”
Ella: “I don’t really know. I thought—like I hoped to get one.”
Judge: “Well, I don’t have the authority to appoint one. If you wanted to go out on your own and hire one, I think you have the prerogative to do that.
Ella: “Okay.”
Judge: “But you didn’t do that. And so, I suppose if you wanted to do that, you could.”
Ella: “Okay.”
Judge: “That’s up to you.”
Ella: “Could I—”
Gregory Jessner states that he would oppose a continuance of the matter. The Judge inquires further of Ella.
Judge: “Ella, do you feel like you want to go forward today if you didn’t have a lawyer? Do you know what you want to do?”
Ella: “No. I don’t want to push it if I don’t have—”
Judge: “Okay. You understand that the court doesn’t have the authority to—I don’t believe, have—to appoint one for you. And so, that would mean that if I were to entertain a continuance, you would have to go out and get your own lawyer. Do you understand that?
Ella nods affirmatively.
-END OF PART 1-
No, she blamed Ioan and Anne for quoting some law and making sure she didn’t get a court appointed attorney. Which is clearly a lie. She’s told more than once the judge can’t appoint one.And we already know how she'll spin this on twitter, sadly. "The judge said Ella couldn't have a lawyer! I didn't know I could have got her a lawyer!" (because Loopy misread all the documents). Not that twitter really matters, but whatever she's saying on twitter she's also screaming at the girls, and that's the sad part.
I don’t see that at all. I see an abused child who was thrown to the wolves by her mother.Ella knows EXACTLY what she is doing.
I've not said a word against her til now but that is disgraceful attempt to manipulate the judge.
Happy anniversary to you @TheMogadon and Mr Mogadon
How very dare youI’m going to be in France! Alice’s France!
Yeah I'm not waiting eitherI have ADHD so this doesn't count for a great deal but anyone waiting for the link to the final document is a more disciplined person that I am
I do know what you mean, and there is definitely some truth to this. But I think Ella (and Alice) badly miscalculated the situation. So she may have gone in all full of bravado (encouraged in this by Alice of course) thinking she would have the judge in the palm of her hand, but it looks like she was disabused of this notion pretty quickly.Ella knows EXACTLY what she is doing.
I've not said a word against her til now but that is disgraceful attempt to manipulate the judge.
Right. Because your average 13 year old has an encyclopedic knowledge of the law and is a master manipulator of the entire courtroom, including a distinguished judge. Nothing to do with Malice at all.Ella knows EXACTLY what she is doing.
I've not said a word against her til now but that is disgraceful attempt to manipulate the judge.
Several times and we're only on part one. The dumb fucker really thought they we're going to get representation on the day. I wonder if Marie pointed this out to her, before they parted ways...probably, but as usual mAlice knows best"Alice interrupts the Judge"
Maybe I'll pose in a bikini on a high wire at Eden Roc!How very dare you
Malice had a lawyer who states that she’s an expert in ROs. Guess what, she fired that lawyer before filing her daughter’s requests.@Hiraeth wrote “Anne Kiley states that Ella had every opportunity to have someone represent her; that Ella and her mother prepared the papers with someone’s help; and that Ella brought the request for the restraining order and appeared to seek the restraining order. She could have hired an attorney and she hasn’t.”
Bets on loopy, the Texan, or the opioid activist lady “author” helping prepare form ? And then AE trying to present it to lawyer Marie Pharoahly who promptly said “and this is where we part ways now that my fee is paid up”. AE is a Twat. If there was any merit to her daughter’s injury why didn’t she procure a lawyer ?
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