You also don't get the same pension in the private sector...
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Nor job security I suppose. Heads are rolling all over the place in my org at the moment, and the higher up the ladder you go, the more fragile your position. You trade it for the salary, but it's nerve-wracking.
No, that's true. However, I don't get bonuses, I'm not allowed to accept gifts, we don't get any parties paid for, not even a Christmas party. I got all those things working in the private sector. Also, I know a fair few people in the private sector who have been able to retire comfortably at 55 because their pensions are fantastic.
Where our package outdoes the private sector is sick pay, that's pretty decent tbh
Well, in the last year we've had members of the senior leadership team sacked so it's not unheard of here either
Lots of people don't get those things in the private sector either!
If people in the private sector have been able to retire comfortably early it will be because they've paid a lot in or are on very well paid jobs, well above £60k.
I had all of those things in every job I had in the private sector. It's not at all unusual. Everyone I know who works in office jobs in the private sector has a Christmas party, fully paid for. I know loads of people who get OTE bonuses. A few people I know in the building trade have fabulous pensions and have retired early
One year our bonus was one person in each team got chosen for a £5 Amazon voucher 
I’ve been contacted about going back to a job I was in before I went travelling and I really am unsure what to do, I’d appreciate any advice.
I quit my most recent job as I hated the company I was with, went into working part time and now self employed. My husband works away and earns enough to support us both comfortably so money wasn’t really a factor for me, but ofc more would always be welcome.
The job offer is with the company I was working with before the one I quit - offer of around £80k, but I’d be a hybrid worker having to commute around an hour each way into London.
Currently get around half that working 20hours a week from home.
My husband doesn’t think I should take it as I didn’t cope with the stress of the last company, and it affected my MH massively, I also hate commuting into London but I am thinking of what we could do with the extra money.
It’s worth adding that we wouldn’t see each other as much as he only gets one weekend off a month, but he’s home midweek twice a month which does make me think it might not be worth it.
I quit my most recent job as I hated the company I was with, went into working part time and now self employed. My husband works away and earns enough to support us both comfortably so money wasn’t really a factor for me, but ofc more would always be welcome.
The job offer is with the company I was working with before the one I quit - offer of around £80k, but I’d be a hybrid worker having to commute around an hour each way into London.
Currently get around half that working 20hours a week from home.
My husband doesn’t think I should take it as I didn’t cope with the stress of the last company, and it affected my MH massively, I also hate commuting into London but I am thinking of what we could do with the extra money.
It’s worth adding that we wouldn’t see each other as much as he only gets one weekend off a month, but he’s home midweek twice a month which does make me think it might not be worth it.
I wouldn’t take it, what you have sounds perfect.
I quit my last job after 14 months…as I hated it.
Also, what I thought would be a one hour commute into London was actually 2 hours each way twice a week…..
I just noticed yesterday they are recruiting my replacement for a salary which is £30k less than what I was on!
Yeah, I am on an out of London line with a direct train into Marylebone but also there’s always works / strikes etc and I’ve a 30 minute drive to the nearest tube which is zone 9
30k less. The poor person who takes on the role, that’s shocking!
If they've contacted you out of the blue, you may have some leverage here - can you negotiate the travel aspect? Could you negotiate the hours and work part-time with them? Would it benefit your long-term career goals or your overall pension pot? Short term pain for long term gain sort of thing?
Not so much out of the blue, I’ve stayed in contact with my old team since I’ve left so it’s more that they have the vacancy and want me to come back.
The job’s in PE/ Investments, I always said I wouldn’t go back as it’s such hard work but at the same time I do miss it. I don’t think there’s any room to negotiate, Hybrid work would be the most I could ask for but I’d really need to be in the city for clients.
Tbh, I think I only want to go back for the social aspect how I miss drinking overpriced wine with poncy w
’s in the city long term plans I have none, be a stay at home wife? Is that a plan? I’m not the most ambitious person, put it that way.
It doesn't sound like the payoff would be worth it for you then!
Covid and Gen Z killed post-work drinks and socials.Not so much out of the blue, I’ve stayed in contact with my old team since I’ve left so it’s more that they have the vacancy and want me to come back.
The job’s in PE/ Investments, I always said I wouldn’t go back as it’s such hard work but at the same time I do miss it. I don’t think there’s any room to negotiate, Hybrid work would be the most I could ask for but I’d really need to be in the city for clients.
Tbh, I think I only want to go back for the social aspect how I miss drinking overpriced wine with poncy w
long term plans I have none, be a stay at home wife? Is that a plan? I’m not the most ambitious person, put it that way.
No, thank you for helping me sound it out!
I have a theory on this, they haven’t died in cohesive teams.
I think it’s death by a thousand cuts: young professionals (in houseshares, houseshares feel a bit like office small talk, having to compromise, can’t fully have autonomy - so have a lower social battery left) then throw in hot desking and overhearing from teams call warm ups what people did on their weekends over and over, again social battery drained. Not enough disposable income for repeated drinks with friends let alone with colleagues. Why waste the alcoholic units on work drinks if the drinks aren’t nice? (Like the bougie wine bars <3)
Gen Z didn’t kill them, the economic environment that could best facilitate them died
if your choice is towards the ‘no’, get creative with your negotiation? Even if just practice for the next negotiation that you really want?
Maybe, but houseshares for young professionals have been a common thing in London for years and it's only been since Covid that things have died. Economics are an issue generally but the same lack of interest in post-work socialising happens in our workplace for post-work drinks when work is providing the booze.
the rabbit hutching is on a different level, even fewer have living rooms now. And a room in a houseshare now costs what a decent studio / small one bed used to cost pre-covid. There isn’t the same light at the end of the tunnel for shared living as a rite of passage.
I've never seen the appeal of post work drinks. I work entirely from home now but when I was in the office before COVID, I always just thought I've already been forced into spending 8/9 hours with these people, why would I want more 
I never want to work back in an office as long as I live
I never want to work back in an office as long as I live