If it’s true that Peter Philips is to walk between Harry and William I think that is sending out a very clear message that the rift is far from being healed.
And yet on royal matters, they are reliable. It's a funny thing.Dear god the Express is a rag though isnt it? people whinge about the Mail and the Sun, but to me the Express is just the worst in terms of writing/content etc.
I wasn’t convinced spouses of grandchildren (apart from Catherine) were going to attend because of numbers but they are all there except MM. Part of me wishes she wasn’t actually pregnant because I’d really love to know if she had the balls to come or not! I really wouldn’t know which way to call it, I think I lean towards she would have actually come because she’s a raging narc and wouldn’t want to miss the opportunity to make it all about her. She doesn’t have a gracious bone in her body.Guest list
Why should Peter have to sit with him? They should leave him on his own.And yet on royal matters, they are reliable. It's a funny thing.
Very very interesting. The Palace have clearly briefed out the 'William and Harry will be separated at the funeral' story as Camilla Tominey has it in the Telegraph as well. Apparently Harry will be sitting with Peter Phillips. They can have a nice chat about Peter's Chinese milk ads then.
The Duke of Cambridge will not walk shoulder to shoulder with the Duke of Sussex at the Duke of Edinburgh's funeral, with the two being separated by Peter Phillips.
Seemingly in recognition of ongoing tensions between them, the royal brothers will flank their older cousin as they walk in a procession behind their grandfather's coffin from the State Entrance of Windsor Castle to the West Steps of St George's Chapel on Saturday.
They will be split up again when they walk to their seats in the Quire of the 15th Century church. Prince William, 38, is then expected to join the Duchess of Cambridge, 39, inside the chapel for the 3pm ceremony.
Although the seating plan has not yet been announced, it is thought Prince Harry, 36, will sit next to Mr Phillips, 43, who is attending the funeral alone after separating from his wife, Autumn, in February last year. The pregnant Duchess of Sussex, 39, has not flown over on doctors' advice.
Absolutely. It's a shit paper. Gimme the DM any day , or even the SunDear god the Express is a rag though isnt it? people whinge about the Mail and the Sun, but to me the Express is just the worst in terms of writing/content etc.
Peter's the babysitter. He's there to body check Hazno if he tries a 'manly hug for the cameras' stunt on William.Why should Peter have to sit with him? They should leave him on his own.
andrew needs to either go away or contribute to the investigation of Epstein. Him and fergie are duke and duchess of cash for access. Hazzo is following in his footsteps.The Telegraph are digging into the Andrew uniform story. He had already told his tailor to make the changes needed for an Admiral!
Within a day an unceremonious controversy erupted. Prince Andrew had reportedly demanded to wear the uniform of an Admiral at his father’s funeral on Saturday and had gone so far as instructing his tailor to style it with the distinctive three rows of lace and four stars, crossed baton and sword of that rank.
Why did Prince Andrew think he should go to the funeral as an Admiral?
The Duke shared a unique bond with his father, but the debate over his ceremonial attire shows his role in The Firm remains unclearwww.telegraph.co.uk
Why did Prince Andrew think he should go to the funeral as an Admiral?
The Duke shared a unique bond with his father, but the debate over his ceremonial attire shows his role in The Firm remains unclear
When Prince Andrew suddenly re-appeared in public last weekend, giving an interview outside the Royal Chapel of All Saints in Windsor, the public could understand his grief at losing a father. Yet his appearance also raised an unfortunate question mark.
It was 512 days after having last spoken publicly, and it seemed that on Sunday the Duke of York had returned to the frontline of the monarchy – and was speaking on its behalf.
Within a day an unceremonious controversy erupted. Prince Andrew had reportedly demanded to wear the uniform of an Admiral at his father’s funeral on Saturday and had gone so far as instructing his tailor to style it with the distinctive three rows of lace and four stars, crossed baton and sword of that rank.
The prince was, like his father, tested in war – no doubt a unique bond and a source of pride for the Duke of Edinburgh. As the only one of the generation of royals younger than his father to serve in battle, Prince Andrew certainly deserved to wear a uniform, as Prince Philip did his as honorary Admiral of the Fleet, the navy’s highest rank. But his current rank is Vice-Admiral, not Admiral.
Despite what you might believe from watching the latest series of The Crown, it was Prince Andrew who was likeliest the child closest to his father. Prince Philip had named him after his own father, and Prince Andrew was his first son to receive his surname, Windsor-Mountbatten, a long-fought battle by the Duke of Edinburgh. When he was born, Prince Philip is said to have bounded up the stairs to tell Princess Anne and the Queen Mother.
They were twins separated in space. Both confident, Prince Philip’s mother Princess Alice recognised in both how they would hunch their shoulders if perplexed or exited. The family repeated about both: “sometimes naughty, never nasty”. The Duke once explained a swollen eye with a broad smile as “That was the boss…”, and everyone thought he meant the Queen, but it was Prince Andrew, with whom he had been sparring.
They shared the same ribald officer’s humour and Prince Philip was the only one to whom Prince Andrew would ever listen. Once while the family was watching Coronation Street, the Duke of York exclaimed about Bet Lynch: “Oh God, look at all those common people.” Prince Philip clipped his ear and silenced his son by saying: “If it wasn’t for people like that, you would not be sitting here.”
Of Fergie, he boyishly gave Prince Andrew his unvarnished opinion: “I think she’ll be a great asset. For one thing, she is capable of becoming self-employed.” And at the end of active navy service, Philip gave Andrew a tongue-lashing for being “selfish and lazy”. For 10 years, the Duke of York would become a special UK envoy for international trade; Prince Charles could only abandon all hope to reign in his younger brother.
Even so, it wasn’t clear why Prince Andrew ever thought he should go to the funeral as an Admiral.
The Duke of York’s royal duties are currently in animated suspension and there was the fact that he is currently merely a Vice-Admiral. In a policy adopted by the navy in 2009, the duke had received automatic promotions every five years, in line with peers who are still serving. His last serving rank in the navy was Lieutenant-Commander, but when retired from active service in 2001 he was promoted to Commander. Later, he was made an Honorary Captain in 2005, thereafter “automatically” Rear Admiral in 2010 and Vice Admiral in 2015.
His 60th on February 19 last year would have been the occasion for the prince becoming an Admiral after the passing of another five years. However, on February 7, he asked the navy in a public statement “if this promotion might be deterred” until he returned to “public duty”.
The request was a direct consequence of fallout around the world following the BBC Newsnight interview the prince had given a few months earlier to Emily Maitlis, on the subject of his relations with the felon billionaire Jeffrey Epstein. The day after the interview, he had also asked the Queen if he “may step back from official duties”, which started the prince’s time in the wilderness of Windsor Park.
Not unreasonably, on Sunday the prince may have thought that the moment of his return to public duty had come, when he expressed the feelings of the Royal family.
It was left to the Queen in mourning delicately to unruffle feathers in her family by apparently deciding that no uniforms would be worn at the funeral of the Duke of Edinburgh. This also side-stepped a wider debate that was ranging on why Prince Harry wouldn’t be in uniform.
Understandably, given the situation, her decision didn’t address the question of whether Andrew’s relationship with Britain had been reset in any meaningful way according to the palace.
If this were the case, several obstacles lay ahead. The trial of Ghislaine Maxwell, a close friend from his early 20s, is due to start in July in relation to Jeffrey Epstein and the prince is a character in the background.
Moreover, however sympathetic the British public may feel in this period of mourning towards the royal family, it is also keenly aware that the prince has his own unsolved legal problems.
Last June, the US President and the US Attorney General confirmed that the US Department of Justice had made a formal request under the UK-US Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty for access to the prince concerning Epstein. It is not clear yet whether he and the British Government have dealt with the US’s inquiries, but late last year the duke’s legal team insisted Prince Andrew had made three offers to give a witness statement. Prince Philip had aided his son with advice back in 2011, at the beginning of the long-running saga.
Although the Duke of Edinburgh was well known for his “gaffes”, he knew when to hold his tongue. While Prince Philip happily admitted putting his foot in his mouth, Prince Andrew seems to be eager to shoot himself in the foot – repeatedly, and without realising it. It can sometimes appear as if the prince never learns and, unlike the Habsburgs, remembers little.
For 513 days, the prince was doing well in not making new waves. After a long and strongly worded missive of his newly appointed lawyers on June 7 last year, he kept a more dignified silence, folded his website and stopped his Twitter feed – a minimum of gossipy ‘sources close to prince’ were made available to the media and he wasn’t in the photographs of his daughter’s wedding or Christmas service.
Perhaps from this day, Prince Andrew will change?
Right! All those people who never read the “Daily Fail/Daily Heil” (such original wit!) and yet somehow know exactly what it says about everythingAbsolutely. It's a shit paper. Gimme the DM any day , or even the Sunover the express.
The snobbery over the Mail makes me chuckle. "Sorry, it's a Mail link dot dot dot sad face". twats.
If I was her, which thankfully I am not, I would keep away from the UK because she must know how feelings are running high against her here. However, she is probably thick skinned so she would more than likely view it as another chance to be centre of attention because her visit would attract alot of media attention but perhaps not the type she would want.I wasn’t convinced spouses of grandchildren (apart from Catherine) were going to attend because of numbers but they are all there except MM. Part of me wishes she wasn’t actually pregnant because I’d really love to know if she had the balls to come or not! I really wouldn’t know which way to call it, I think I lean towards she would have actually come because she’s a raging narc and wouldn’t
want to miss the opportunity to make it all about her. She doesn’t have a gracious bone in her body.
Annoyingly we will never know as both sides of the camp can hide behind the pregnancy story. I was convinced she wasn’t even invited but I’m not so sure now seeing this list and also the Queen ordering no uniforms to please Harry and Andrew. She may have invited Meghan after all, to try and heal the family. (She’s a bigger person than I am!).
I guess time will tell in the future if she will ever have the balls to come back to the UK. There will be other opportunities, she won’t be able to hide behind her pregnancy story forever.
Oh good point. I bet Hazza's trip home was so delayed because mummy meggy was making him practice her signature "I WILL HUG YOU ! LIKE IT OR NOT" move.Peter's the babysitter. He's there to body check Hazno if he tries a 'manly hug for the cameras' stunt on William.
will hazzo get good seating forAnd yet on royal matters, they are reliable. It's a funny thing.
Very very interesting. The Palace have clearly briefed out the 'William and Harry will be separated at the funeral' story as Camilla Tominey has it in the Telegraph as well. Apparently Harry will be sitting with Peter Phillips. They can have a nice chat about Peter's Chinese milk ads then.
The Duke of Cambridge will not walk shoulder to shoulder with the Duke of Sussex at the Duke of Edinburgh's funeral, with the two being separated by Peter Phillips.
Seemingly in recognition of ongoing tensions between them, the royal brothers will flank their older cousin as they walk in a procession behind their grandfather's coffin from the State Entrance of Windsor Castle to the West Steps of St George's Chapel on Saturday.
They will be split up again when they walk to their seats in the Quire of the 15th Century church. Prince William, 38, is then expected to join the Duchess of Cambridge, 39, inside the chapel for the 3pm ceremony.
Although the seating plan has not yet been announced, it is thought Prince Harry, 36, will sit next to Mr Phillips, 43, who is attending the funeral alone after separating from his wife, Autumn, in February last year. The pregnant Duchess of Sussex, 39, has not flown over on doctors' advice.
I'm sure there is an order to this based on succession maybe, but it makes me sad to see Anne so far down the list, his only daughter and by all accounts his favourite child!Mourners for Prince Philip's funeral:
Here is the full list of guests who will attend the Duke of Edinburgh's funeral at Windsor Castle on Saturday:
- The Queen
- The Prince of Wales
- The Duchess of Cornwall
- The Duke of Cambridge
- The Duchess of Cambridge
- The Duke of Sussex
- The Duke of York
- Princess Beatrice
- Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi
- Princess Eugenie
- Jack Brooksbank
- The Earl of Wessex
- The Countess of Wessex
- Lady Louise Windsor
- Viscount Severn
- The Princess Royal
- Vice Admiral Sir Timothy Laurence
- Peter Phillips
- Zara Phillips
- Mike Tindall
- Earl of Snowdon
- Lady Sarah Chatto
- Daniel Chatto
- Duke of Gloucester
- Duke of Kent
- Princess Alexandra
- Bernhard, Hereditary Prince of Baden
- Prince Donatus, Landgrave of Hesse
- Prince Philipp of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
- The Countess Mountbatten of Burma
They are shallow because that is all they have left to hang on to. It should be remembered that if this had happened last year there would have been only 10 people allowed to attend. Re the uniforms - Prince Philp is dead and couldn't care less. Those he knew best and loved will be there. Those he didn't won't be there e.g. Her Fergieness and Smegma.andrew needs to either go away or contribute to the investigation of Epstein. Him and fergie are duke and duchess of cash for access. Hazzo is following in his footsteps.
IMO, this is a funeral. Not the time to be arguing about which uniform to wear. Are hazzo and andrew THAT shallow?!?!? There're far more important things out there than just uniforms.. Now is not the time to argue about it. FFS, show unity and respect PP. I know some might argue otherwise, but we don't really know what PP would have "wanted". He certainly won't want bickering and causing more stress for HMTQ.
Put like that, it’s really sickeningThe Queen and Charles capitulated in front of someone that wore a Nazi Uniform, at the funeral of a anti-Nazi fighter.
Well it will probably be blocked by 'Fat Controller Andrew' and he's a pillock!will hazzo get good seating forsecret recordinghis eyes so he can report back to smeggy? I hope he view is blocked by a pillar or something.
It's not Margaret's husband, it's his son the 2nd Earl of SnowdonI'm sure there is an order to this based on succession maybe, but it makes me sad to see Anne so far down the list, his only daughter and by all accounts his favourite child!
ETA the Earl Of Snowdon VERY interesting (I'm fresh from a Crown binge)
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