What I can’t understand is that when women express concerns or doubts literally every time I’ve seen that, I’ve seen at least one person reply something along the lines of:
You’re transphobic, I can’t imagine not wanting other people to be happy, why are you so insecure about your space, etc.
So the reply is usually some form of negative characterisation of the initial statement and then just doesn’t reply to the content. Why is that?
For example why couldn’t TRAs say ‘yeah absolutely that’s a concern and we must be sure it’s considered’
Like for lots of people it’s probably never going to be a problem but who knows why it’s a problem and for who and what their reasons are?
I suppose it depends what you consider to fall under the umbrella of “trans”. Earlier in the thread people have explained that these predatory men who use the existence of trans women to gain access to these Spaces are still considered trans. I dunno what the official conclusion is but I don’t consider these men part of the trans community at all.
I think the transphobic comment comes out when people think the concerns being expressed are about trans people. I understand these concerns but I think they are about male predators, not genuine trans women. (Obviously that feeds into the debate of how do we decide who is trans and who isn’t which is a whole other complex issue, as also discussed previously).
So you agree that it is a belief, and not a material reality?
I accept that biological sex exists, yes. But in my eyes a trans woman is a woman and I would never have any reason to challenge this or think otherwise.
- I think you missed the posts of people stating that they might not understand it but they would fully support them if that was the best solution, like you I'd let my child live however they choose rather then them mutilating themselves.
-womanhood is being threathened in instances such as the defunded and attacked shelter for grape/assault victims in vancouver that didn't want transwomen. grape victims don't want male bodies near them because of trauma caused by male bodies.
- they'll never be completely women though - the biological aspect isn't everything that defines being a women but it's an integral aspect. What's causing a problem here seems to be that some people want to deny that. I just don't understand what's wrong with saying I'm not a person who menstruates (where do women who have gone through menopause fit into that?) I'm a women and trans men are men who formerly had a female body and have gender dysmorphia.
I was referring more to the people who’d stated that they wouldn’t be “on board” with their child being trans.
I have acknowledged previously in the thread that the issue is really complex when it comes to DV/women’s shelters and accept that these situations might need to be looked into more thoroughly for those reasons.
We have to agree to disagree that they will never be completely a woman. They do not menstruate and can’t conceive a child, they may have had a very different upbringing but I don’t believe accepting a trans person as a fellow woman compromises my female identity or struggles at all. Yes they will never fully understand the hell that is PMS but they will have endured lifelong struggles that I will never understand.
As someone else said earlier, the struggles of trans women and “cis” women (not trying to offend anyone with that phrase) are so closely aligned that it would help everyone to work together rather than to take opposing sides.
