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Enigmata

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I have a self heating hot water bottle. I can plug it in under my desk and then use at work. It was only about £15 but has been amazing.

I didn't buy for period pains as I am thankfully now menopausal - although have definitely used a hot water bottle in the past. Used to be so scared of scalding myself as I'm totally accident prone!
 
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Zenchick101

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I think it's more that you were presented with tangible figures of violence towards women vs trans women e.g I said that 0 transwomen were murdered in the UK this year and someone else said that 3 women are murdered a day (sorry if that's not the correct figure, I just can't remember) and you replied with the anecdotal story about your female friends vs trans women and how based on that trans women face more assault
might have been me, one of the articles I linked was how in the US 3 women were murdered from dv.
 
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Imainlylurk

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Same during the last series of Jessica Jones. Her secretary/assistant was so obviously a trans woman - tall, huge shoulders, deep voice. I guess it made no difference to the role (it was a very small part) but it still felt incongruous somehow.
Not sure why that matters? All that means is you're not used to seeing trans women on screen. Which is fine but it doesn't make it unbelievable that a trans woman could be someone's assistant?!

Honestly all this focus on appearance is really counterproductive IMO - if we accept that children shouldn't be pressured to transition because they are gender non-conforming we shouldn't make fun of adults who don't "look" male or female enough
 
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maytoseptember

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Sorry if this was mentioned already but has anyone seen the Queen's Gambit? One of the "female" teachers in the first episode is so blatantly obviously trans. They look very large and manly and when I looked down at my phone for a sec I thought it was a man speaking when it was them. It's so distracting! And they think we can't tell unless we know what's in their pants 🙄
Same during the last series of Jessica Jones. Her secretary/assistant was so obviously a trans woman - tall, huge shoulders, deep voice. I guess it made no difference to the role (it was a very small part) but it still felt incongruous somehow.
 
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Zenchick101

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In this country it was the Tories that proposed introducing Self-ID and reform to the GRA! What I have found about the Tories though is they are open to adapt and change and with that comes a veneer (even if it’s false) of listening to the public mood. Labour tend to double down, batten down the hatches and insist that everyone who doesn’t agree with them are wrong and just not listening to them properly.
Oh interesting depends on the country then!
 
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Mel Donte

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This is a good Twitter thread:
I agree, it is a good Twitter thread (from the OP, a lot of the replies say things that I don't agree with). Most of the TERFs I have encountered don't seem to agree with point number one but it's nice to know that there are some who do.

I do wonder if trans people would exist if we somehow ever reached a truly post-gender society. Maybe there would still be people who experienced dysphoria purely based on their bodies and not on the gendered expectations that came with them.
 

Mel Donte

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well.. have you looked at the articles i've sent your way?
Yes. But there are a lot of aspects that need looking at in order to build an accurate picture - numbers of trans people, what definition of trans we're even using, underreporting of crimes against minority groups etc.
 

mcfeez

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Well it didn’t matter really. And I didn’t say it was unbelievable that a transwoman could be a secretary. I guess it’s simply indicative of women losing out on acting roles because a series will score points for casting a trans woman.
In my opinion no one should get "points" for casting such a minor part. But how is a woman missing out on an acting role when they cast a trans actress instead - the gender of the person doesn't sound remotely relevant to the part.
 
Are you being serious? High heels don't cause breathing problems.
No but they can cause serious foot and spine problems.



I'm not saying that binders are ok, I'm just saying we've got a bit of a double standard because one is more socially acceptable than the other.
 

Mel Donte

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Her former name is just that. Not a “deadname”.
I'd say that's a slightly grey area. Her name change came before she came out as non binary but it may have been linked to her gender expression.

So am I right to assume that, given the reddit screenshot story and your agreement with them, you believe that some women have penises and some men have vaginas?
Yes

Ok so we're establishing some foundations of an interesting conversation here. Building on what you agreed with me on, since you can't even attempt to have this kind of conversation with most people IRL right now, how do I as a woman tell the difference between a dysphoric transwoman, and an AGP (etc) perv who also identifies as a transwoman and gets naked in front of me in a changing room and expects me to have no problem getting naked in front of them?

Since any and all discussion is prohibited in society, how do you tell the difference between the dysphoric teen boy who wants to transition and the one who says i'm trans (since you can't question that) to see the girls naked?
You'd tell the difference by how they acted. If they're keeping to themselves and just getting changed vs staring, overt sexual behaviour etc.

Existing in the world as a trans woman can be extremely difficult and dangerous, especially for those who don't 'pass'. So I really don't think that men pretending to be trans women in order to see naked cis women is something to worry about.
 
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maytoseptember

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That's interesting, I didn't know that. I had assumed that precocious puberty was treated with blockers for mainly psychological reasons.
I think one of the main reasons is bone growth in girls (I don’t know anything about precocious puberty in boys or whether it even occurs in boys that much?). A girl experiencing a very early puberty will also be expected to start her periods very early, and reach her adult height not too long afterwards.

I’ve just checked, and here’s part of an abstract from a journal article.


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Neoplasm = cancer.
 

Zenchick101

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In the past when asked to share names and pronouns, I've always just said my name and then looked to the person next to me to go next and they've moved on. If pressured I would probably respond "no thanks" or "I'd rather not thanks".

If I had the guts I would respond that my pronouns are sex based like my oppression! ;)
wild that's not a thing here yet I don't think