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The enemy within ...

Excellent decision on their part.

If these women can't see the dangers and inherent unfairness of men being allowed to compete as women, they aren't worthy to be nominated.

Good for them, though, for having the integrity to realise this, and make the decision to admit they aren't the right stuff.
 
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I see in his speech the new mayor of New York, Zohran Mamdani, mentions ‘the trans community’ second on the list of the marginalised groups his administration needs to defend. By ‘trans community’, we all know he means TIMs.



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Its even worse than what you've quoted there he wants to reverse all the pauses Trump put on pediatric transition

" Mamdani, 33, also vowed to go after private medical institutions that continue to deny trans youth care, stating he would work with state Attorney General Letitia James and local district attorneys in the five boroughs to “investigate and hold public hearings on hospitals that deny trans youth their rightful healthcare and hold them accountable to the law.”

Providing trans care to city youth is in line with the state constitution and city laws, according to Mamdani’s campaign.

NYU Langone was one high-profile hospital to pause its gender-affirming care for youth when Trump initially threatened to pull federal funding from medical centers treating minors, leading to outrage from liberal officials.

It’s unclear what the status of trans care is for minors at NYU Langone. An email to the hospital was not immediately returned Monday.

New York-Presbyterian, another hospital that reportedly pulled references to trans youth care months ago, told The Post it continues to work through the “evolving situation” to comply with state and federal laws.

“As always, our priority is to serve all our patients in a compassionate and responsible way,” a hospital spokesperson said.

A source close to the hospital claimed to the New York Sun its pediatric gender program was still maintaining gender treatment for current patients under 19, but only accepting new patients in that age range for behavioral health care.

Mamdani’s trans spending proposal is among a hodgepodge of expensive services he wants to enact as mayor. "

 
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Boswell on Darlington Nurses

Day 11 | The Darlington Nurses v County Durham & Darlington NHS Foundation Trust

🚨 Process Over People: How HR Turned a Safeguarding Crisis Into Case Management

Day eleven belonged to HR - specifically Sue Williams, the Trust’s HR Business Compliance Manager. Her evidence mapped how the institution managed twenty-six women’s safeguarding concerns as if they were an administrative nuisance to be logged, softened, and contained.

Williams confirmed she reported through the HR hierarchy under Tracy Atkinson and had oversight of disclosures and the internal investigation that finally took shape in July 2024. What she described was not an inquiry designed to protect staff but a system built to protect the Trust. Searches were narrowed to specific keywords. Witness interviews focused on who had circulated the nurses’ letter, not on what they had experienced. The original complaint - fear and distress at sharing a changing room with a biological male - was reduced to a question of communication style.

Williams was shown emails where women who wanted their concerns heard were instead recorded as “withdrawn.” One nurse wrote that she still objected to the arrangement and wanted Rose Henderson in a different facility; HR listed her as having pulled out. Another was invited to interview and asked immediately if she wished to withdraw. Williams insisted she only wanted “clarity.” To the tribunal, it looked like attrition by process.

The letters sent to staff confirmed that impression. An Associate Director of Nursing - four levels above the claimants - hand-delivered a warning that “inappropriate action” could lead to discipline. Williams accepted this might have caused anxiety but called the language standard practice. Confidentiality clauses were added that prevented collective discussion of what was, by definition, a collective complaint. The Trust wanted a single spokesperson; it ended up with fragmented voices.

She admitted that the external investigator, Susan Newton, began work without seeing the Transitioning in the Workplace policy that governed the entire dispute. HR only sent it after Newton had already drafted her report. Williams called that an “oversight.” In a case about whether policy permitted a male employee in a female space, it sounded more like the oversight was deliberate.

The interview templates focused on who had circulated the petition, not why the women objected. One witness said the session felt confrontational, that she was being interrogated for speaking up. Williams said she “couldn’t comment on feelings.” Meanwhile Henderson’s grievance against the nurses remained “paused,” not resolved, meaning the claimants might have to declare it to future employers.

The tribunal heard how the internal process had excluded the only question that mattered: should a biological man have been permitted to undress among hundreds of women without consultation or risk assessment? HR never asked it. Instead it managed the complainants, labelled some as withdrawn, and left others under investigation while the policy stood untouched.

Day eleven ended with the judge confirming there would be no sitting on Thursday and a short expert session on Friday before written and oral submissions next week. Evidence is all but complete, and judgment will follow later - but the Trust’s priorities are already on record.

Day 10 | The Darlington Nurses v County Durham & Darlington NHS Foundation Trust

🚨 The Witness in the Room: Henderson’s Evidence Raises More Questions Than It Answers

Day ten brought Rose Henderson - the male nurse at the centre of the dispute - into the witness box. His evidence was calm, careful, and frequently unconvincing. He told the tribunal that it had never occurred to him that changing among hundreds of women might cause embarrassment or distress. For nearly three years, he said, he used the female changing room without complaint, unaware of any problem until rumours surfaced in August 2023. Even after hearing that twenty-six colleagues had signed a formal letter asking management to act, he carried on using the same space.

Under cross-examination Henderson described a routine of collecting scrubs, facing his locker, and occasionally using a cubicle. He denied every description of misconduct: he had never wandered the room in underwear, never stared, never lingered. Yet the allegations came from multiple women, across different teams and months, describing the same behaviour in consistent terms - prolonged presence, near-nakedness, and watching others. His replies were mechanical denials rather than explanations. Asked whether he understood why the women might have been alarmed, he said simply that it had “never occurred” to him there could be risk or discomfort.

The questioning then turned to geography. Why, if his work was elsewhere, did he keep appearing in the Day Surgery corridor where staff had complained? Henderson said he was “looking for trolleys.” The answer fell flat. He could not say why the “shortest route” required passing through the very area in which he was least welcome, or why he did not use other stores.

Counsel pressed him on what colleagues had reported hearing: conversations about stopping hormones and planning to have a child - details that affected how staff understood his presentation and level of transition. He accepted he had spoken of future plans for a family but said these discussions were harmless. What he did not address was how such remarks, combined with his use of the women’s changing room, reinforced the perception that management had abandoned clear boundaries altogether.

His claim to respect privacy also faltered under practical scrutiny. He conceded that he changed into and out of scrub tops and boxer shorts, garments he admitted were “slightly damaged.” He insisted he faced the locker, yet acknowledged occasional conversation with others while dressing. Asked whether this was “realistic” in a crowded communal space, he said yes. The tribunal’s silence at that point spoke louder than his answer.

On the inclusive-changing posters that appeared in the women’s room, Henderson said he first saw a photograph online, called for them to be taken down, and did not know who had put them up. He added, tellingly, that “a few people were supportive.” It was the only moment he seemed conscious of allies.

When the judge asked whether any manager had spoken to him before the press coverage, he said no -only after he himself mentioned the petition did anyone approach him. The exchange encapsulated the dynamic of the entire case: a man exercising self-identification as entitlement, and a Trust too paralysed by policy to challenge it.

The tribunal must now weigh whose account is closer to reality. Henderson’s testimony portrayed himself as oblivious, consistent, and wronged. The nurses’ accounts portray him as persistent, aware, and dismissive of their boundaries. Whatever the verdict, the credibility gap is striking. A reasonable person might not need twenty-six signatures to grasp why women felt exposed. Day ten made clear that the discomfort was inevitable - the product of a policy that invited a biological man into a female space and then asked the women, not him, to adapt.
This is what I take exception to: The tribunal must now weigh whose account is closer to reality

It's irrelevant. He shouldn't have been in there and that should be all that matters. By all means add compensation for distress as well, but the crux of the matter is whether a man should be in women's facilities.
 
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This is what I take exception to: The tribunal must now weigh whose account is closer to reality

It's irrelevant. He shouldn't have been in there and that should be all that matters. By all means add compensation for distress as well, but the crux of the matter is whether a man should be in women's facilities.
The nurses are crowdfunding. Costs are obviously mounting. I'm not linking because I'm not sure if it's allowed, but if you google "support the darlington nurses" you'll find it.
 
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The nurses are crowdfunding. Costs are obviously mounting. I'm not linking because I'm not sure if it's allowed, but if you google "support the darlington nurses" you'll find it.
Surely their costs will be covered when they win?
 
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Surely their costs will be covered when they win?
That went through my mind, but they may be in a position where they have to pay cash upfront - I honestly don't know. I suppose it could several months before the decision is made, then there may be an appeal by the trust - I wouldn't put it past them to drag it out as long as possible. Process = punishment etc.
 
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I always remember her article after the Woody Allen allegations. It was literally like 'I'm a feminist, but I don’t like the idea of someone I admire doing this. Maybe they're both right, in some ways, like perhaps Dylan Farrow made it up, but because she was rightly mad at him?! That way I can still see his movies.'
Absolute wooly minded rot.
lol what??? She’s arguing with the Stasi in her own head. If you still want to watch WA movies, then nobody but the Stasi is going to stop you! Arguably we’re not so far from that. At least Hadley Freeman nailed her colours to the mast and said she didn’t believe the allegations (I think?) instead of doing this bizarre false equivalence just so she can pretend to herself that watching Annie Hall is a moral choice. You’re just watching a movie, get over yourself!
 
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This is absolutely outrageous. I bleeping hate what the BBC has become.
We don't really discuss current affairs or politics in the office but I'm delighted to have overheard my whole team muttering about the ridiculousness of this!
 
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Its even worse than what you've quoted there he wants to reverse all the pauses Trump put on pediatric transition

" Mamdani, 33, also vowed to go after private medical institutions that continue to deny trans youth care, stating he would work with state Attorney General Letitia James and local district attorneys in the five boroughs to “investigate and hold public hearings on hospitals that deny trans youth their rightful healthcare and hold them accountable to the law.”

Providing trans care to city youth is in line with the state constitution and city laws, according to Mamdani’s campaign.

NYU Langone was one high-profile hospital to pause its gender-affirming care for youth when Trump initially threatened to pull federal funding from medical centers treating minors, leading to outrage from liberal officials.

It’s unclear what the status of trans care is for minors at NYU Langone. An email to the hospital was not immediately returned Monday.

New York-Presbyterian, another hospital that reportedly pulled references to trans youth care months ago, told The Post it continues to work through the “evolving situation” to comply with state and federal laws.

“As always, our priority is to serve all our patients in a compassionate and responsible way,” a hospital spokesperson said.

A source close to the hospital claimed to the New York Sun its pediatric gender program was still maintaining gender treatment for current patients under 19, but only accepting new patients in that age range for behavioral health care.

Mamdani’s trans spending proposal is among a hodgepodge of expensive services he wants to enact as mayor. "

I think he's just wants to make sure men can violate women's rights and children can take dangerous experimental drugs and he can keep foreign crims from being deported. Whatever he promised was just to get elected. Though I can't see Many of his electorate having a problem with that 🤷‍♀️
 
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I suppose they can’t do a deep dive on the senior individuals with a trans agenda at the BBC as they are no doubt parents of ‘trans’ kids so it would expose a child to scrutiny and ridicule.
 
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