Brian Butterfield
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Good morning from Hell 
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ScottishMammy92
VIP Member
Maybe the wrong place to ask but I genuinely feel uncomfortable and not sure what to do.
Im just over 30 weeks pregnant with a high risk pregnancy. That said - im doing ok and trying to carry on as best as I can. Although if one more person hands me a leaflet that calls me a "pregnant person" im likely to scream.
Ive had a lot of different appointments and things and a few days ago it was decided the best option was to be admitted for a few days for fluids and IV medication. As if its not bad enough they've put me onto just a regular ward surrounded by newborn babies while im sitting here praying mine stays in long enough to be born healthy - there seems to be a lot of confusion over partners on the ward.
My husband is able to visit most of the day outwith meal times. Which is absolutely fine im not in labour im just receiving treatment. No issue with that hes been working as normal and visiting on his lunch and in the evening. But the other 4 women on the ward who have just given birth are alone after 7pm when visiting finishes...except one. Because her rather large, manly and clearly Adams apple owning partner is allowed to stay overnight.
I mentioned to a midwife earlier and asked what the specific rule was for birthing partners to be told that if both parents are female they can stay but males need to leave basically. In order to keep the ward comfortable for birthing people (boke)...well hang on a minute because Big Rab over there definitely isnt a birthing person is he?
But he self identified as female. And so has full access to the delivery ward 24hrs a day. Uses the shared bathroom. Can wander around as he pleases.
The midwife did say the rules around this are murky at best. They were introduced primarily for lesbian couples to ensure both mothers were equally part of the birth experience and that the general feeling was females on the ward would be fine. But if someone self identified they couldn't dispute that could they?
Good old NHS Scotland.
Don't get me wrong - hes polite enough. Most of us are keeping to ourselves as you do after birth. But I feel awkward enough sharing a room with a male and I can't imagine how much worse id feel having just given birth.
Is there even any point in complaining? Because no doubt itll be a bloody hate crime.
Im just over 30 weeks pregnant with a high risk pregnancy. That said - im doing ok and trying to carry on as best as I can. Although if one more person hands me a leaflet that calls me a "pregnant person" im likely to scream.
Ive had a lot of different appointments and things and a few days ago it was decided the best option was to be admitted for a few days for fluids and IV medication. As if its not bad enough they've put me onto just a regular ward surrounded by newborn babies while im sitting here praying mine stays in long enough to be born healthy - there seems to be a lot of confusion over partners on the ward.
My husband is able to visit most of the day outwith meal times. Which is absolutely fine im not in labour im just receiving treatment. No issue with that hes been working as normal and visiting on his lunch and in the evening. But the other 4 women on the ward who have just given birth are alone after 7pm when visiting finishes...except one. Because her rather large, manly and clearly Adams apple owning partner is allowed to stay overnight.
I mentioned to a midwife earlier and asked what the specific rule was for birthing partners to be told that if both parents are female they can stay but males need to leave basically. In order to keep the ward comfortable for birthing people (boke)...well hang on a minute because Big Rab over there definitely isnt a birthing person is he?
But he self identified as female. And so has full access to the delivery ward 24hrs a day. Uses the shared bathroom. Can wander around as he pleases.
The midwife did say the rules around this are murky at best. They were introduced primarily for lesbian couples to ensure both mothers were equally part of the birth experience and that the general feeling was females on the ward would be fine. But if someone self identified they couldn't dispute that could they?
Good old NHS Scotland.
Don't get me wrong - hes polite enough. Most of us are keeping to ourselves as you do after birth. But I feel awkward enough sharing a room with a male and I can't imagine how much worse id feel having just given birth.
Is there even any point in complaining? Because no doubt itll be a bloody hate crime.
TheMiceInTheShed
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From the text:View attachment 3759999
Sandie Peggie lawyers alarmed by NHS Fife briefings | The Herald
archived 23 Oct 2025 18:19:49 UTCarchive.ph
Ms Peggie should have had the "skills and knowledge to de-escalate or remove herself from this situation".
Well - call me old-fashioned, terfy and bigoted as hell, but I'm of an age where I think that a TRAINED MEDICAL DOCTOR should have the "skills and knowledge" to know that PEOPLE DON'T CHANGE SEX and this whole TRANS ETHOS is a load of MADE UP SHYTE!
It is bliddy disgusting that there s no evidence against Sandie, but they are punishing her anyway.
FourSeasonSoupObsessive
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Heard a horrible story this week. My brother’s niece is training to be a midwife, and is nearing the end of her studies. She had an appointment a few weeks ago where a couple arrived for their first meeting with the midwife led unit she’s a part of (is this called booking in? I don’t have kids so am a bit clueless). This was her first meeting with them. One was an ordinary female person, the other one also appeared to be female, but had a beard and flat chest. She assumed that it would be the one without the beard who would be needing her services and started to talk to her about her pregnancy.
Only it turned out that it was the one who thinks she’s a man who is pregnant. And they made a complaint against this trainee, who was only trying to do her job, for her “transphobia” in not guessing that a woman who had obviously rejected her womanhood was actually pregnant. Bonkers or what? She did nothing, she only got as far as saying something like”how are you feeling, Sam?” while looking at the wrong woman. She’s fuming and is now contemplating leaving the profession. She says she’s completely happy to give care to who ever needs it, however they identify, but she’s a midwife not a mind reader.
Only it turned out that it was the one who thinks she’s a man who is pregnant. And they made a complaint against this trainee, who was only trying to do her job, for her “transphobia” in not guessing that a woman who had obviously rejected her womanhood was actually pregnant. Bonkers or what? She did nothing, she only got as far as saying something like”how are you feeling, Sam?” while looking at the wrong woman. She’s fuming and is now contemplating leaving the profession. She says she’s completely happy to give care to who ever needs it, however they identify, but she’s a midwife not a mind reader.
Lynn’ssnazzycardigan
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There’s not much point to my post but it was just an odd thing that happened. I got a cab yesterday with my kids and the driver was obviously trans. It was dark and stormy, kids yammering on, we all sat in the back. Still I clocked him in under 5 seconds. Fine ok, as long as he’s a decent driver. He piped up in a falsetto voice “have you all had a lovely day?” and I said yes and hoped he had as well, general chitchat but he had a weird accent, I can’t even describe was like a cross between Dutch and Thai! So I’ve said oh you have an accent, where are you from and he says “I’m not from anywhere”. Just weird and went quiet after that. I’m sure it was a put on accent, I’ve worked with people from pretty much everywhere and never heard anything like that. When we got out my son, who is usually the most indiscreet person ever (cheers ASD 
) pipes up “that was definitely a bloke”. Luckily he’s managed to keep it in until the car doors were shut. It was my mam booked the cab so I asked her what was the driver’s name and when she checked it was hyphenated 3 girl’s names. My son said “oh that’s overkill, most definitely a bloke”. As I said not much point but it was bizarre and I had nowhere else to share it.
) pipes up “that was definitely a bloke”. Luckily he’s managed to keep it in until the car doors were shut. It was my mam booked the cab so I asked her what was the driver’s name and when she checked it was hyphenated 3 girl’s names. My son said “oh that’s overkill, most definitely a bloke”. As I said not much point but it was bizarre and I had nowhere else to share it.
FourSeasonSoupObsessive
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Layer on layer of misogynistic assumptions are just baked through the whole scenario, aren‘t they? Imagine this choose-your-own-adventure story.
Male person walks into woman’s changing room.
Option 1: he does not think he’s a woman. The women in there see a man, are upset, he gets thrown out for being a creep. Everyone agrees on what’s happening. Some men are gross and need told to behave themselves. Women have rights to their boundaries.
Option 2: he does think he’s a woman. The women in there see a man, and are upset, but this time they are told that their reactions, their responses, their perception of reality is invalid, wrong and bigoted and that they are bad people. They are guilted and shamed and end up in a tribunal having to talk about their sexual assaults or their perimenopausal period flooding while getting vilified.
The only difference in the two scenarios was the man’s perception of what was happening. Their reality didn’t count at all. The weight of dozens of womens words were found lesser than that of one single man. It’s breathtaking.
Also, on behalf of me and my Amazonian sisters, FUCK RIGHT OFF with ”a TIM is just like a larger woman”.
Male person walks into woman’s changing room.
Option 1: he does not think he’s a woman. The women in there see a man, are upset, he gets thrown out for being a creep. Everyone agrees on what’s happening. Some men are gross and need told to behave themselves. Women have rights to their boundaries.
Option 2: he does think he’s a woman. The women in there see a man, and are upset, but this time they are told that their reactions, their responses, their perception of reality is invalid, wrong and bigoted and that they are bad people. They are guilted and shamed and end up in a tribunal having to talk about their sexual assaults or their perimenopausal period flooding while getting vilified.
The only difference in the two scenarios was the man’s perception of what was happening. Their reality didn’t count at all. The weight of dozens of womens words were found lesser than that of one single man. It’s breathtaking.
Also, on behalf of me and my Amazonian sisters, FUCK RIGHT OFF with ”a TIM is just like a larger woman”.
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klarakluckbag
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With regard to men staying over on maternity units: in my hospital, partners (male or female) are permitted to stay overnight on the postnatal ward, ostensibly to "help" to care for mum and baby. Women who have a straightforward delivery will mostly be on the midwife-led birth unit, they'll have their own room and they usually go home after a day or so.
Women on the postnatal ward are often there because they've had a caesarean delivery. As this is a major surgical procedure, they have to be kept under observation for several hours after the birth. They may have had other complications like high blood pressure, diabetes, heavy bleeding during or after the birth, infections, their baby may be unwell, and so on. They will often have a catheter, or fluid drips attached to them. They may be on heavy-duty pain relief. They may not be "ill", but they're certainly there for medical reasons, and no woman stays there for longer than is absolutely necessary, certainly not by choice.
Having male strangers on a women's maternity ward is a dreadful situation and has only come about to cover the lack of medical staff on the wards. The idea that a loving partner is there to attend to his wife's every need, is a wonderful vision, and there are many men who stay on the ward and who are respectful of other women there, and who are a great help to their partner, and to the staff. However, there are a great many who are not. Men who wander around the wards half naked and barefoot. Men who use the women's toilets and showers. Men who sleep in the bed whilst their partner is slumped asleep in a chair after being up all night feeding the baby. Men who talk loudly on their phones all night. Men who treat the staff like shit. Men who order pizza and chicken takeaways at 3am, like its their home. Men who have absolutely no respect for anyone or anything, and who are allowed to gawp at women who are at their most vulnerable. It's a travesty, and I honestly don't know why it's not a bigger issue, all I ever get told is "we don't have the staff to look after everyone 24/7". Why not?? The NHS always seems to find the money for expensive legal action when it comes to defending transvestites behaving badly
Women on the postnatal ward are often there because they've had a caesarean delivery. As this is a major surgical procedure, they have to be kept under observation for several hours after the birth. They may have had other complications like high blood pressure, diabetes, heavy bleeding during or after the birth, infections, their baby may be unwell, and so on. They will often have a catheter, or fluid drips attached to them. They may be on heavy-duty pain relief. They may not be "ill", but they're certainly there for medical reasons, and no woman stays there for longer than is absolutely necessary, certainly not by choice.
Having male strangers on a women's maternity ward is a dreadful situation and has only come about to cover the lack of medical staff on the wards. The idea that a loving partner is there to attend to his wife's every need, is a wonderful vision, and there are many men who stay on the ward and who are respectful of other women there, and who are a great help to their partner, and to the staff. However, there are a great many who are not. Men who wander around the wards half naked and barefoot. Men who use the women's toilets and showers. Men who sleep in the bed whilst their partner is slumped asleep in a chair after being up all night feeding the baby. Men who talk loudly on their phones all night. Men who treat the staff like shit. Men who order pizza and chicken takeaways at 3am, like its their home. Men who have absolutely no respect for anyone or anything, and who are allowed to gawp at women who are at their most vulnerable. It's a travesty, and I honestly don't know why it's not a bigger issue, all I ever get told is "we don't have the staff to look after everyone 24/7". Why not?? The NHS always seems to find the money for expensive legal action when it comes to defending transvestites behaving badly
i'm.just.highly.selective
Well-known member
Why are men still doing the 'black women aren't feminine so look like men' racist bollocks?
And why the f*** is Boy George still not cancelled...?
Scotch Mist
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According to an article in the Daily Fail, Stephen Fry turned on J K Rowling after she didn't intervene to get him the part of Dumbledore in the new TV adaptation of the Harry Potter series. He then thought it was a good time to back the trans community and call her radicalised 
Of course Tattle is the most bitchy place on the Internet but the Mail has gems like this in their comments section:
'Stephen Fry is nothing more than a jailbird with a 12 year old husband'
'Going by age difference of husband, I’d say she made the best choice to keep him away from hogwarts'
Of course Tattle is the most bitchy place on the Internet but the Mail has gems like this in their comments section:
'Stephen Fry is nothing more than a jailbird with a 12 year old husband'
'Going by age difference of husband, I’d say she made the best choice to keep him away from hogwarts'
FourSeasonSoupObsessive
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Was just reading tribunal tweets from today and it has made me so cross.
Ms A said you were often walking around in holy boxer shorts
- Didn’t happen
Ms B said you looked at her breasts
- I don’t know her
Ms C said you watched her for an uncomfortably long time
- I don’t recall
Ms D said you had a shower and towelled off in front of women
- False allegations.
Woman after woman after woman saying “he made me uncomfortable” and this fucking fella is all like “I didn’t consider that it would make women uncomfortable” GET TAE FUCK. You knew. You enjoyed it. The neck of him, the balls on him, the absolute gall- all these women are just lying, are they?
Ms A said you were often walking around in holy boxer shorts
- Didn’t happen
Ms B said you looked at her breasts
- I don’t know her
Ms C said you watched her for an uncomfortably long time
- I don’t recall
Ms D said you had a shower and towelled off in front of women
- False allegations.
Woman after woman after woman saying “he made me uncomfortable” and this fucking fella is all like “I didn’t consider that it would make women uncomfortable” GET TAE FUCK. You knew. You enjoyed it. The neck of him, the balls on him, the absolute gall- all these women are just lying, are they?
Phil Anne Throw Pee
VIP Member
Does that mean they can choose to use her home for whatever they want?If I chose to identify as trans, could I go into the House of Commons and sit in the speakers chair - after all I belong anywhere I want?
Jill Foster brilliantly replied: 'We all have places we don't belong. You on the GMC register for instance'. Just fantastic.
VeniVidiVicki
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I bloody love Roisín Murphy. I bought her last album on the strength of her terfery and she’s just done a proper JKR (does anyone but me remember when she first tweeted something slightly terfy and then her publicist said she was having a senior moment or something?)
Middle aged women are great when they have no more fucks left to give. We all need to join Melani‘s Do Not Care Club.
I’m retiring in 14 months and I cannot WAIT to release my full terfery on the world
Middle aged women are great when they have no more fucks left to give. We all need to join Melani‘s Do Not Care Club.
I’m retiring in 14 months and I cannot WAIT to release my full terfery on the world
Weebles Wobble
VIP Member
While women in maternity units aren't unwell, it's always a policy that the toilet / bathroom within hospital wards are strictly for patients only, and a major reason is hygiene control. Although it's inevitable that some visitors will ignore this, in my experience (admittedly of male wards) most visitors understand.
My spidey senses are telling me that this AGP male is role-playing. If he could kick his partner out of the hospital and take her bed I'm sure he would do. Not only are all the other women being dragged into his fetish against your consent, it's also unlawful.
I like the idea of contacting FWS. It's so unfair that you should be dealing with this!
MaineCoonMama
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Of course she's a woman you vile misogynistic prick.
nothanksbabes
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Yeah no shit fella. Men like you usually don't.
nothanksbabes
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As ever, it's always a retailer whose primary profit comes from women, and the biggest spenders are likely to be older, middle class etc. I doubt this shit would fly at Screwfix or wherever.
Funny_bunny
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Just seen this regarding Sandie Peggie. NHS Fife sharing Sandie’s personal information with SNP ministers. Surely that’s in breach of data protection laws?
Gomi goner
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Not that long ago I had a referral for myself sent to a busy psychiatric practice (I just wasn't coping with the death of my mum
) and after a very long time (mental health here is underfunded and understaffed, but we're probably unfortunately not unique) they informed me I finally had an appointment to see someone, and they sent me the doctor's bio.... an obvious woman who identified as they/them and had special interest in supporting LGBTQ+ people.I politely declined and went on another very long wait list for somewhere else.
I'm not going to waste my time, pay a lot of money, and discuss my mental health issues with someone who not only doesn't specialise in grief, but who clearly has their own mental health problems .
TheMiceInTheShed
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I hope that the guiding organisation gets its backside kicked over this.
A lady I know slightly (we occasionally meet when walking our dogs) resigned as a guide leader a couple of years ago because of this. She said nobody was listening to the concerns of parents or volunteer leaders, and she wasn't going to be put in a position where she'd be held responsible when a girl was assaulted, because it was definitely going to happen. All the safeguarding training etc - it's a joke when they intentionally allow mentally ill or fetishistic men and misguided (or preverted) boys to have access to young girls.