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let’s be real, trans ‘rights’ aren’t human rights, they’re human WANTS. They WANT access to spaces designated to the opposite sex. They WANT access to sterilising and disfiguring medical care, where there is no medical need. They WANT to control how others feel, speak and think about them.

The last is more complicated, but the rest are not rights that any of us are entitled to. An anorexic does not have the ‘right’ to starve herself to death - in a truly free/liberal/whatever society we could argue that she is free to do so, but not to the point where the state enables her mental illness. As a mentally ill person, she does have the right to appropriate care for her mental illness which, funnily enough, isn’t facilitating her self-starvation.

‘Trans rights’ completely obscure the intended purpose of human rights. Yes, a trans identified person has the same rights the rest of us do - freedom from harassment, persecution, discrimination etc. I can even concede that those who have transitioned may require additional discrimination protections in a protected characteristics sense- the toothpaste is out of the tube, so to speak.

But they didn’t have the ‘right’ to make themselves that way. It was a choice, and one they should be encouraged to take responsibility for. It’s how you help mentally unwell people get better.
And yes to this also! 👏👏👏
I gotta stop launching in here with my thoughts, when I'm just pontificating to the already converted and knowledgeable choir!
Or however that saying goes 😆
 
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Jesus, I didn't know they went that far! Didn't they discover recently that normal fertilization isn't whichever sperm gets there first - the egg spins round to prevent that, choosing the one it wants? Which would make IUI some kind of....egg grape?!
Didn't they discover recently that normal fertilization isn't whichever sperm gets there first - the egg spins round to prevent that, choosing the one it wants?

I didn't know that - that's fascinating! So the egg is doing its best to ensure that a healthy (and not just the first out of the tap) sperm is the one to fertilise it?

Mother Nature gets more and more of my respect every day.

It would be interesting to get some long-term studies on these infants as they grew into adulthood to see if there are any physical or mental anomalies (beyond standard levels). And on the pregnancy experiences/ health of their mothers.
 
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Ladies, if you're ever around any of these lowlifes, Do Not Touch Any Of Their Belongings. Criminal damage prosecution is practically a done deal if it's on video, and it looks like this is their latest weapon. They're going to use any law they can to break us.

There was a case where someone abandoned their car on another person's driveway. The homeowner could not have the car towed away because the removal process would have resulted in a criminal damage conviction! I'm expecting that GL will get done for it...
Yet it doesn't seem to work the other way - they damage property (and people!) with impunity.
 
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A friend of a friend works for the national trust, and one of the cleaners (a man) has announced he is now a woman and mgt has told everyone to "be kind".

It goes without saying that this special kind of lady is keeping his pen, and so mgt have agreed he can take frequent comfort breaks to release the pen from being tucked up, all as part of him being "a woman".

I wish this was a joke btw, there is no punchline.
And all these years the world has thought that "being a woman" meant you didn't have a pen at all.
 
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And all these years the world has thought that "being a woman" meant you didn't have a pen at all.
It’s bewildering that people actually can go along with this utter bull at all. How on earth can anyone take some deranged man seriously when he all of a sudden announces he’s a woman, even though everyone knows he’s a biological man, and he’s to be believed , and treated as special. There is absolutely nothing different about him. Nothing has changed and yet he’s to be treated as if somehow he magically is now female despite his male anatomy. Same with Dr Theo, again perplexing how medical staff can take him seriously when he’s a man with a wife and male anatomy. It makes the staff in that awful hospital look plain stupid that they believe a deluded manipulative man.

As for trans “rights”, it’s not human rights they’re after, its the privilege they’re after to break boundaries, barge into women’s spaces and places and be treated as special and untouchable.
 
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A friend of a friend works for the national trust, and one of the cleaners (a man) has announced he is now a woman and mgt has told everyone to "be kind".

It goes without saying that this special kind of lady is keeping his pen, and so mgt have agreed he can take frequent comfort breaks to release the pen from being tucked up, all as part of him being "a woman".

I wish this was a joke btw, there is no punchline.
I hope all the other staff are being given the same amount of break time as him, and not expected to pick up the slack? Otherwise they're being discriminated against.
 
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A friend of a friend works for the national trust, and one of the cleaners (a man) has announced he is now a woman and mgt has told everyone to "be kind".

It goes without saying that this special kind of lady is keeping his pen, and so mgt have agreed he can take frequent comfort breaks to release the pen from being tucked up, all as part of him being "a woman".

I wish this was a joke btw, there is no punchline.
If you ever wanted to illustrate that trans want more rights, not the same as everyone else, this story does that perfectly
 
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I hope all the other staff are being given the same amount of break time as him, and not expected to pick up the slack? Otherwise they're being discriminated against.
This is n excellent point.

If he can identify as a woman, and receive "pen-comfort" breaks, then surely you women can identify as having penises, and also receive that special time to adjust your imaginary tackle.

If you have the stomach for it, you could follow him into (I assume) the women's toilets and stay in the cubicles or handwashing area loudly saying things like "God! It's so good to let my willie swing free after that hour trapped in my knickers! What about you Doreen? Is your willie feeling the benefit? "It is Enid - you wouldn't believe how constricted it has felt all morning" etc
 
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This is n excellent point.

If he can identify as a woman, and receive "pen-comfort" breaks, then surely you women can identify as having penises, and also receive that special time to adjust your imaginary tackle.

If you have the stomach for it, you could follow him into (I assume) the women's toilets and stay in the cubicles or handwashing area loudly saying things like "God! It's so good to let my willie swing free after that hour trapped in my knickers! What about you Doreen? Is your willie feeling the benefit? "It is Enid - you wouldn't believe how constricted it has felt all morning" etc
You crack me up, Micey.

Should women have special minutes out on those days when the washing hasn't been done and we have to wear that one nasty bra ? The one that digs in, the straps fall down etc? Or those undies that give you an atomic wedgie?
 
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Just going back to the IVF chat, both of my children are IVF. I have unexplained infertility (and nothing apparently wrong with my husband’s sperm either)
I had every test done that was available and there was no reason as to why I couldn’t conceive.
Once implanted, the pregnancy and labour were textbook both times. My children are intelligent, energetic regular kids.
I will be eternally grateful to the medical staff who gave me a helping hand. There are many women who go on to have natural pregnancies after IVF. There are many women who have IVF after having secondary infertility.
Of course I understand that many people don’t agree with the practice. I don’t agree with surrogacy or egg donation therefore can I be classed as a hypocrite?
I don’t know what I’m trying to achieve with what I’m saying as I’m not trying to change people’s minds or make anyone feel bad about their opinion. Just wanted to put in my tuppence worth to say that I’m very glad that I could give Mother Nature a nudge in the right direction.
 
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You crack me up, Micey.

Should women have special minutes out on those days when the washing hasn't been done and we have to wear that one nasty bra ? The one that digs in, the straps fall down etc? Or those undies that give you an atomic wedgie?
I think we should!

And what about when you get dressed in a hurry and one leg of your tights is twisted? That's a bugger all day, that is.
 
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Just going back to the IVF chat, both of my children are IVF. I have unexplained infertility (and nothing apparently wrong with my husband’s sperm either)
I had every test done that was available and there was no reason as to why I couldn’t conceive.
Once implanted, the pregnancy and labour were textbook both times. My children are intelligent, energetic regular kids.
I will be eternally grateful to the medical staff who gave me a helping hand. There are many women who go on to have natural pregnancies after IVF. There are many women who have IVF after having secondary infertility.
Of course I understand that many people don’t agree with the practice. I don’t agree with surrogacy or egg donation therefore can I be classed as a hypocrite?
I don’t know what I’m trying to achieve with what I’m saying as I’m not trying to change people’s minds or make anyone feel bad about their opinion. Just wanted to put in my tuppence worth to say that I’m very glad that I could give Mother Nature a nudge in the right direction.
As you have said - you had healthy eggs, your husband had healthy sperm. Sometimes it is the stress of trying to conceive that actually prevents conception.

I think it is instances where there are obvious abnormalities in either gamete that people should think twice. Maybe there will be a healthy baby - but that isn't to sy that that baby won't carry an abnormality into the next generation?

(I'm being chivvied to church . . . I'll be back!).
 
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Graham Linehan is back on Twitter, his lawyers got the bail condition that he wasn't allowed to post dropped. Wonder if the police/CPS will try and quietly back away from this case? Bit of a stable door/horse bolting situation, but we should be grateful for the light it has shone on this idiocy.
 
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Graham Linehan is back on Twitter, his lawyers got the bail condition that he wasn't allowed to post dropped. Wonder if the police/CPS will try and quietly back away from this case? Bit of a stable door/horse bolting situation, but we should be grateful for the light it has shone on this idiocy.
Wasting police time now there’s a charge that could be applied to the activists?
 
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Graham Linehan is back on Twitter, his lawyers got the bail condition that he wasn't allowed to post dropped. Wonder if the police/CPS will try and quietly back away from this case? Bit of a stable door/horse bolting situation, but we should be grateful for the light it has shone on this idiocy.
It's crazy these conditions that get rubber stamped through by officials.

I'm glad he got his removed, but what about the 30 people everyday that get arrested for social media posts whose stories are never told?
 
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I think we should!

And what about when you get dressed in a hurry and one leg of your tights is twisted? That's a bugger all day, that is.
Oh there's are so many 'comfort breaks ' that we women* need throughout the day, when you think about it! 😂

*I almost said 'real women' but there's no such thing... you're a women, or you're not.
No cis, trans or buts about it!
 
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Oh there's are so many 'comfort breaks ' that we women* need throughout the day, when you think about it! 😂

*I almost said 'real women' but there's no such thing... you're a women, or you're not.
No cis, trans or buts about it!
Pity we don't do thread titles, your last line is a cracker!
 
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