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At first I was so confused cos if he isn't out then what's the issue using the male toilets but OP clarifies in a comment that friend passes and people assume he is a woman.....no they're just too polite to say anything
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Kathleen Stock is on fire today



- if you think transwomen (men) are to women what step-parents are to their children YOU ARE A MORON (think it through to the end: when was the metaphorical marriage? wtf is "womaning" as a verb? Wearing kneesocks?)
- If you think you can't know your own sex because you haven't seen your chromosomes YOU ARE A MORON (if that is the burden of proof, how do you personally know you have a brain?)
- If you think that the Supreme Court should have "consulted trans people" about their "lived experience" while interpreting existing law YOU ARE A MORON, this is not what courts do; and for good reason - how would it be workably scaled up?
- If you base your glowing view of trans ideology on what your daughter at private school and all her mates tell you (it doesn't affect us, Dad, why can't they just be kind?), then YOU ARE A MORON. What kind of general epistemology is that, exactly? You seem to be confusing having 360 degree insight into the intersection of law and social reality with them being able to use the remote better than you can.

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I can’t tell you how many times I’ve wanted to post YOU ARE A MORON at a TRA on social media. Sometimes it’s the only coherent thought I have.
 
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That Trans judge is going to appeal it (is that even possible) as they feel "contained and segregated". That's the whole point, when I take a piss I want to be segregated from the opposite sex. How is being segregated a terrible thing to want?

Apparently he’s taking it to European Court which makes me a bit nervous if I’m honest
 
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I'm amazed they have been able to figure out what a woman is...


The answer in this country, rather than train and employ more of the right people, just seems to be, "just let anyone so it!" which u guess is one step up from "let's just not bother".

Reminds me of prisons, where rather than taking responsibility for proper reform, the government are like, "why don't we just stop sending criminals to prison?!"
The timing of this is odd. Is this just a way to get round the SC Ruling and allow TIMs who work in healthcare into women's spaces 'legally'.
 
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The timing of this is odd. Is this just a way to get round the SC Ruling and allow TIMs who work in healthcare into women's spaces 'legally'.
As a PP said earlier, it makes no sense as there'll have to be a female chaperone. TIMs aren't legally women no matter what they think so having a man in there requires a woman there as well.
 
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Watching the BBC lunchtime news; first the male radiographers breast screening story presented from one side only, then the story of the trans judge bringing a case to the ECHR, again just his side of the story.

Last night, it was the final episode of Chess Masters Endgame on BBC2, where 12 ‘rising chess stars’ compete against each other for the trophy. I’ve watched every week and the premise was that there were 6 male and 6 female candidates. Only in the first episode, it was apparent that one of the ‘female’ candidates was a TIM. Looked, acted and sounded like a man. So, five women and seven men. No surprise that the final three in the competition were men, and to top it off, the TIM won. Throughout, the audience was gaslit with all the presenters, including Sue Perkins, fawning over this male and referring to him as a woman.
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At first I was so confused cos if he isn't out then what's the issue using the male toilets but OP clarifies in a comment that friend passes and people assume he is a woman.....no they're just too polite to say anything View attachment 3535072

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So we can take from the assertion that the trans friend passes, that there is no friend.... he's asking for himself. If people truly pass there'll be no issue with using the toilet as no one would suspect they aren't the right biological sex.
 
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Watching the BBC lunchtime news; first the male radiographers breast screening story presented from one side only, then the story of the trans judge bringing a case to the ECHR, again just his side of the story.

Last night, it was the final episode of Chess Masters Endgame on BBC2, where 12 ‘rising chess stars’ compete against each other for the trophy. I’ve watched every week and the premise was that there were 6 male and 6 female candidates. Only in the first episode, it was apparent that one of the ‘female’ candidates was a TIM. Looked, acted and sounded like a man. So, five women and seven men. No surprise that the final three in the competition were men, and to top it off, the TIM won. Throughout, the audience was gaslit with all the presenters, including Sue Perkins, fawning over this male and referring to him as a woman.
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"bad mental health rates soar for transpeople"

I wonder why the number of women with severe mental health problems is through the roof. What could possibly be contributing to their MH difficulties? 🤔
 
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That Trans judge is going to appeal it (is that even possible) as they feel "contained and segregated". That's the whole point, when I take a piss I want to be segregated from the opposite sex. How is being segregated a terrible thing to want?

Disabled (or accessible) toilets are often separate, unisex toilets. Although there have been complaints from those who use them that they'd prefer the toilets to be housed within the same-sex facilities, it's not always practical due to the amount of room that's needed. The other argument is that when someone needs help from the opposite sex (whether that's family or a female carer assisting a male) it's inappropriate for either to go into the opposite sex toilets.

The point I'm making is that some people who have to use the unisex toilets due to disabilities don't like it. How many protests have there been over this? How many banners saying "Kill all able bodied people!" How many companies have altered their facilities to create space for 3 disabled toilets - in the Ladies, in the Gents and a unisex one? (All self contained with their own washbasin. a medical bin and a waste bin). How many have had huge banners in the window saying that disabled people can feel safe with them? Where are the handmaidens?

Could it be that those who don't like the fact that it's unisex accept that life isn't perfect, we all have to tolerate things we don't like and if we feel strongly enough to want to change something then we join a campaign and voice our opinions, write to our MP etc.

ps - I know darn well why the men don't want to be excluded from our toilets.
 
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"bad mental health rates soar for transpeople"

I wonder why the number of women with severe mental health problems is through the roof. What could possibly be contributing to their MH difficulties? 🤔
I hate the way the say they're being denigrated and used as a political pawn. How the duck do the think REAL women have felt since time began?
 
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Interesting discussion on Jeremy Vine today about male Mammagram radiographers. Started off with the usual....isnt it odd to have a service so far behind the times......then came the comments!!! They had to work extremely hard to find anyone in favour, the large majority of women wanted a female operating the mammagram machine.
With some powerful reasons against, the issue of encouraging reluctant women or women from certain cultures to attend, the discomfort of having your boobs manipulated by someone to have them put into the machine, and the inappropriateness of someone of the opposite sex doing it. The need for chaperones, so there wouldnt be any reduction in staff, in fact there would be an increase, and the fact that a lot of men would be uncomfortable in touching a womans breasts, even in a work situation.
And only the idea of other male professionals in things like gynae services to comment on as a contradictory view!!
 
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