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I loved him precisely BECAUSE, at the time, he said that wearing dresses and heels and makeup DIDN'T make him a woman. He was a man who liked to dress that way (still is). He wasn't, back then, saying that clothes and makeup are what women are. Quite the opposite, because look at this obvious man wearing that stuff and owning it as a man. And I know how stupid this sounds now, but he never SEEMED to be doing it because he got off on it. He truly just seemed to enjoy wearing it and didn't ask for anything more than to wear it in peace while he left women's spaces alone.

We couldn't have known back then what it really was. Stupidest thing of all is that he's actually said he doesn't mind being called he/him, so why do so many mats use the wrong pronouns when he doesn't even request it?
I feel the same way. His stand-up was so surreal and original and I loved his image. He's not funny any more and for some reason, he's lost the ability to apply or choose lipstick properly.

He always glosses over his beardy-man, bored of makeup, movie bad guy period.
 
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I don't like the c-word being used.

It angers me that part of a woman's body is considered the worst of insults. (Though I was once so enraged that I used it myself, shocking Mr Mice into silence.)
I agree that it's not good to use that word as an insult for men, but there isn't a male word that seems equivalent.
 
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I agree that it's not good to use that word as an insult for men, but there isn't a male word that seems equivalent.
It comes from the Latin for "tunnel"! It's not Anglo-Saxon like a lot of swearwords.

The French version is much less shocking. It's rude, but it's more in line with something like "bugger" or "bloody hell" than the c-bomb.
 
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I loved him precisely BECAUSE, at the time, he said that wearing dresses and heels and makeup DIDN'T make him a woman. He was a man who liked to dress that way (still is). He wasn't, back then, saying that clothes and makeup are what women are. Quite the opposite, because look at this obvious man wearing that stuff and owning it as a man. And I know how stupid this sounds now, but he never SEEMED to be doing it because he got off on it. He truly just seemed to enjoy wearing it and didn't ask for anything more than to wear it in peace while he left women's spaces alone.

We couldn't have known back then what it really was. Stupidest thing of all is that he's actually said he doesn't mind being called he/him, so why do so many mats use the wrong pronouns when he doesn't even request it?
I went to see him in 1996 and felt bad for not finding him funny when all my friends were laughing. When he kept going on about being a les trapped in a man’s body (and he mentioned this in his routine several times), it just made me feel uneasy. I think the people I went with thought I’d had a sense of humour bypass.
 
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Back to the word bleep: I love it. To me it's nothing to do with where the word comes from. It's the hard consonants and the way it sounds.
I use it liberally. I'm very sweary and everyone knows it but it's the only word that I censor myself with in polite society because I know that some people hate it. Once accidentally said it in a room full of twenty somethings at work during a discussion about wasps (who are absolute bleeps) and there was an audible gasp followed by a rather awkward silence.
 
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Back to the word bleep: I love it. To me it's nothing to do with where the word comes from. It's the hard consonants and the way it sounds.
I use it liberally. I'm very sweary and everyone knows it but it's the only word that I censor myself with in polite society because I know that some people hate it. Once accidentally said it in a room full of twenty somethings at work during a discussion about wasps (who are absolute bleeps) and there was an audible gasp followed by a rather awkward silence.
I spearlike a docker, too - except for that word. I don't know why but if makes me feel physically as though I've been punched. I did use it once when I was so shocked by something that it just exploded. (Can't even remember who pissed me off now - I did mention t on one of these threads.). Mr Mice, whio I have heard swear twice in 46 years (and then he just said "bloody"), and who is used to my 4-letter obscentities was shocked.

But I agree that it is a war of grett force and power.
 
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I went to see him in 1996 and felt bad for not finding him funny when all my friends were laughing. When he kept going on about being a les trapped in a man’s body (and he mentioned this in his routine several times), it just made me feel uneasy. I think the people I went with thought I’d had a sense of humour bypass.
I went to see him around that time with my uber-cool North London friends and didn’t crack a smile while they laughed uproariously. I’ve always found men who joke about being a les trapped in a man’s body deeply icky.
 
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I spearlike a docker, too - except for that word. I don't know why but if makes me feel physically as though I've been punched. I did use it once when I was so shocked by something that it just exploded. (Can't even remember who pissed me off now - I did mention t on one of these threads.). Mr Mice, whio I have heard swear twice in 46 years (and then he just said "bloody"), and who is used to my 4-letter obscentities was shocked.

But I agree that it is a war of grett force and power.
I feel the same @TheMiceInTheShed . I swear a lot too, but I detest that word. I never use it, I couldn’t even bring myself to type it, yet laugh at people who get het up over ”duck”. I think it’s just a word, but the “c” word I just find vile rather than even shocking to be honest. Hypocritical I know, but I just find it loathsome, it’s not for me.
Though to be fair, it’s a pretty fair description of lots of these TIM and TRA we discuss.

As for Izzard, he never used to bother me cross dressing as a man, but now I find him repulsive and creepy, and about as funny as piles.
 
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I feel the same @TheMiceInTheShed . I swear a lot too, but I detest that word. I never use it, I couldn’t even bring myself to type it, yet laugh at people who get het up over ”duck”. I think it’s just a word, but the “c” word I just find vile rather than even shocking to be honest. Hypocritical I know, but I just find it loathsome, it’s not for me.
Though to be fair, it’s a pretty fair description of lots of these TIM and TRA we discuss.

As for Izzard, he never used to bother me cross dressing as a man, but now I find him repulsive and creepy, and about as funny as piles.
I just think calling someone, usually a man, a bleep, when it's a crude word for female anatomy is derogatory to the female body. That's why we need an equally blunt word to call men. gob and wick just doesn't do it in the same way.
 
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I agree with others on the c word but I also find ‘witch’ really horrible. The way some people seem to say ‘stupid witch’ makes me want to scream.
 
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I agree with others on the c word but I also find ‘witch’ really horrible. The way some people seem to say ‘stupid witch’ makes me want to scream.
Yes, I feel like witch is used in a horribly and specifically misogynist way that bleep isn't.
 
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I agree with others on the c word but I also find ‘witch’ really horrible. The way some people seem to say ‘stupid witch’ makes me want to scream.
I hate that word too. I hate the way some men use it so casually, like they're saying girl or woman.

I use the C word a lot at home, if I'm having a bad pain day it gets thrown around. I don't call my husband a bleep though even if he's being a gob. I wouldn't like it if he said it to me.
 
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Yes, I feel like witch is used in a horribly and specifically misogynist way that bleep isn't.
Yes, there’s something vile about witch, especially describing a woman as a “stupid witch”. It’s really misogynistic. Not a fan of any female related insults to be honest (also stupid cow). Fucker is my go to, not that I’d use any to anyone’s face.
 
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It’s a fun word to say - same as duck. And they can both be part of some spectacular inventive British swearing. When driving everyone else is a head
 
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Yes, there’s something vile about witch, especially describing a woman as a “stupid witch”. It’s really misogynistic. Not a fan of any female related insults to be honest (also stupid cow). Fucker is my go to, not that I’d use any to anyone’s face.
I feel the same re: witch and cow. Oddly, "cowbag" doesn't sicken me so much.

It is a sign of our misogynistic culture that all of the nastiest insults are related to females in some way.
 
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I feel the same re: witch and cow. Oddly, "cowbag" doesn't sicken me so much.

It is a sign of our misogynistic culture that all of the nastiest insults are related to females in some way.
So very true. Plus qualities admired in men are seen as things to belittle in women.
Also sexuality.
Women who enjoy sex are insulted
Women who don’t like sex are insulted
Women who prefer other women are insulted
When you think about it, women can’t win.
Germaine Greer’s famous quote about women having no idea about how much men despise them rings so true.
 
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It’s a fun word to say - same as duck.
I'm sure it's the hard consonants, with the soft U.

Yes, yes I am trying to make my out swearing is some kind of intellectual choice rather than just a childish love of bad words. What of it?

I agree on witch - not a term I use (See also: slut, ag, bleep etc)
 
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