Gender Discussion #81

[Scotch Mist]

Welcome to the new thread everyone.
Here's some wise words from JK Rowling

 

[MaineCoonMama]

Ludicrous

Saying ‘midwife’ could upset transgender people, medics warned

Academics advise NHS to stop using centuries-old job description because it ‘upholds the patriarchy’

www.telegraph.co.uk

‘Academics claim in a new research paper that the term, which has been used since medieval times, is out of date and should be replaced with “lead perinatal practitioner”.’

‘“As trans and non-binary people increasingly require access to midwifery services, this paper proposes an alternative professional title that is inclusive and liberates midwives from continuously reinscribing the sex/gender binary in their nomenclature,” the authors write’

The comments are all the same, I like this no-nonsense one.

 

[LloydsBoosters]

My sister (or brother as I now have to say) has set up a Go Fund Me for top surgery. Not only should others not have to pay for it, but we both got a fairly decent inheritance a few years ago. I still have some of mine. She blew hers almost immediately. Why the fuck should others have to pay?

Haven’t posted about my own experiences here but have been following for a long time. Sorry, I’m just fuming about it. I certainly won’t be ‘donating’.

 

[IngressUK]

Has anyone noticed that the trans and allies thread on here is active again? Handmaidens galore.

Yes, and some numpty has already posted about the 'Transphobia on other parts of this forum'. In other words, the conversation in here.

There is nothing 'Transphobic' about respecting the rights of women. If some can't accept that, it is their problem.

 

[nothanksbabes]

Just saw this on Xitter from more than 20 years ago. The warning signs were all there. Impressed with Nigella

Well that's very revealing, isn't it. Look at the body language. He doesn't like being challenged by a woman, does he?

I suspect Nigella is the kind of woman AGPs hate because physically she is exactly what they want to be and are so laughably not. She'd look the very definition of feminine wearing a bin bag.

 

[BlairWaldorf86]

From the Telegraph

 

[Scotch Mist]

That has made me so angry. I really don’t get how time and time again, the NHS seems to value delusion over fact. How is it worse for a man, and a sexual deviant one at that, to be referred to as what he actually is, than it is to use a vile, highly offensive racial slur aggressively and repeatedly at a dedicated nurse. How come identifying as trans seems to exempt anyone from any wrongdoing? Yet, anyone being honest and referring to biological sex is treated as if they have committed some terrible heinous crime.

Quite apart from the terrible racism, why are the NHS siding with this awful man over one if their employees? They should be protecting their staff from abuse. It doesn't matter if this person was male female or trans they shouldn't get away with attacking a nurse in that way.
I hope the nurse wins big against them.

 

[JAR21]

I agree but sadly enough, for a lot of people the damage is done and now is just too late. So we are dealing with the aftermaths of a large social / biological experiment which still continues. I feel tremendous amounts of empathy towards those that decided to technically castrate themselves under medical supervision.

Don't get me wrong, there are also trans folks that you would not guess that, indeed, they are trans, because they "pass" and live normal healthy lives. They live happy with their choice. But that is not the issue or the reason of this thread.

The cultural battle we need to win, mostly as women, is to call out predatory behaviours. A trans girl that looks, in a bad day, as a masculine looking woman, it will never be an issue, you are not worried about those cases because they do as much as possible to remain unnoticed.

A cross-dressed MAN in the female bathroom, swinging his dick as if nobody will blink an eye, that is predatory behaviour. We truly need to differentiate those 2 things.

The part of thinking it as a psychiatric condition, does not mean that is actually legal. If someone has a psychotic breakdown and kills someone (limit example), of course that person is a danger to society and needs to go institutionalized, likely forever. If we could normalise seeking help instead of making your whole identity based on the fact that you are a degenerate, well...

I may be idealistic! A girl can dream!

BIB I disagree. I don't want ANY male in my toilets, changing rooms, or anywhere else they fancy. They are men.

A woman who has a hysterectomy is not a man, and a man without a penis is not a woman.

 

[Miggsy]

I’m a member of a FB group for women in Scotland over 50. They have this weekend confirmed that TW are not entitled to join the group. Most women are in agreement but oh my god the handmaidens popping up to call the admin “bigots”, tell us we all need educated, falling over themselves to tell us what great “trans allies” they are, pronoun declarations, wanging on about chromosomes, and most offensively asking if TW aren’t welcome why are lesbians welcome! I mean wtf?

Such pathetic women, falling over themselves to appease men who wouldn’t piss on them (with their lady penis) if they were on fire. I have nothing but contempt for them

 

[Vanelope]

The Vagina Museum is doubling down on its stance.
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Enjoy your ‘moral high ground’ in bankruptcy

Good riddance.

maybe one day there can be a museum of womanhood that is actually all about women - not just one of their body parts

 

[Yeah....Brackie]

I sat in our work canteen with a colleague yesterday, and Shobna Gulati coming out as nOn-BiNaRy made the front page in the paper. He spotted it and piped up, "I'm sick of all this, you're either a man or a woman. And you can't change that. The end."
It warmed my cockles so it did! A year ago I don't think anyone in the workplace would have just blurted out GC views willy nilly for fear of the DEI police. But I love seeing these small chinks of light at the end of the tunnel

 

[MaineCoonMama]

Sali Grover.

 

[MaineCoonMama]

Just saw this on Xitter from more than 20 years ago. The warning signs were all there. Impressed with Nigella

Interesting body language from Nigella, she was leaning away quite noticeably.
Him constantly interrupting her then looking shocked when she showed she's way smarter than he is was just brilliant.

 

[Django]

Could have predicted that would happen, and her conciliatory statement that still bravely does not give them what they want. Now men will flock there to see if they can get in and then post it all over social media, ruining her USP. I hope the sex matters lot back her up, she is one of the few businesses openly taking a stand on this.

Natalee missed a trick here, if she'd called her gym The G Spot none of the blokes in frocks would be able to find it

 

[klarakluckbag]

I've just deleted my annoying handmaiden of a cousin from FB. I posted some JKR wisdom, cuz asked if JKR was so cool why doesn't she use the name assigned to her at birth instead of a 'gender-affirming' one? (I think she meant neutral? Who knows.)

I don't want to turn my FB into an echo chamber, I'm all for discussion but baby cousin came flying in like a miniature arsehole so I took great pleasure in pressing the unfriend button.
She's called me a whiny little bitch before for asking her why she's hellbent on letting men into women's spaces.

You can choose your friends but not your relatives. 🩸

I don't know if it's true, but I heard that JK's agent advised her to use her initials so that the publishers wouldn't know that her book was written by a woman. Because publishers tend to prefer male writers, and women's works are often overlooked and ignored. There is a long history of women scholars and scientists using male or androgynous names, to ensure that their work is recognised, so the fact that one of the most successful female authors in history had to use her gender-neutral initials to get a publisher to even read her book, speaks volumes really, doesn't it? The handmaidens don't appreciate the women who have gone before them, who fought for our rights, our independence and even our public toilets. If they think that they can just hand these hard-won rights to men in lipstick, they've got no idea

 

[minimaz]

https://www.archive.is/oldest/https...-transgender-paedophile-sex-offender-NHS.html

https://archive.ph/U7YDN

"Not once in her 12-year career has she received a complaint.
That, at least, was the case until one day last year when a burly 6ft-plus convicted paedophile, shackled to two prison escorts, shuffled into Ms Melle’s ward and loudly complained about a urinary problem.
Legal reasons prevent Patient X’s identification, though why this person, who was jailed for grooming young boys, is afforded such protection will doubtless confound many. Not least because that night, in a fit of rage, Patient X screamed racist abuse at Ms Melle – calling her the N-word three times."

"In the eyes of Epsom and St Helier University Hospitals Trust, the greater sin was that Ms Melle had referred to Patient X – who was born male but now identifies as a woman – as ‘mister’ and ‘he’ during a phone call with a doctor. It was this which prompted Patient X’s aggressive outburst.
Afterwards, Ms Melle was investigated and disciplined and, having been labelled a potential risk to the public, now fears losing her job. She wonders what happened to the ‘England of fair play’ of which her father once spoke.
After being given a final warning by the trust, she received a letter from the Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC) last month saying it was investigating concerns about her fitness to practise because she ‘referred to a patient in a manner inconsistent with their gender identity’"

" In an unprecedented legal action, meanwhile, Ms Melle is suing the hospital trust for harassment, discrimination and human rights breaches. "

 

[Moon Face]

India can go do one. How dare they cosplay at this?

I am currently waiting biopsy results, mammogram, some weird machine, ultrasound scan and two biopsies later, I am in some weird state of limbo.

India just feck off. This is the reality of breast checks, the reality of having early mammograms due to an increased risk of breast cancer and the reality of abnormal results.

I would say I'm angry, but I'm just numb. Numb that someone can make this all about themselves.

 

[BunnyLebowsky]

I have gone from ally, to accepting-realist, to THESE PEOPLE ARE COMPLETELY F-ING INSANE.

 

[ShopTilYouSlop]

Hurray!!!!

https://athleticsweekly.com/athleti...uce-pre-clearance-tests-for-women-1039998430/

"These will include cheek-swab tests and will be non-invasive. They will only be necessary once in an athlete’s career, too."

Exactly as it had been, then. What a colossal waste of time and female talent.

Thank you, Mr Coe.

 

[Weebles Wobble]

Interview with Nurse Jennifer Melle.
As well as her religious beliefs, she explains that she needed to discuss the patient as male from a medical point of view. The patient was insisting in being discharged and still had a catheter in (if I've understood correctly). This was the night shift, no doctors present, so she spoke to the patient's urologist on the phone - and was overheard by the patient.

Jennifer had to mention that the patient was male so that she received the appropriate advice regarding the catheter. It was in his best interest. But of course being "misgendered" was way more important than receiving the best possible medical care as he discharged himself against medical advice.

This is an example of how sex - and not gender - is important in a medical setting, as we've been discussing.

The NHS should have supported her for the abuse she received from the patient instead of making her part of this ongoing witch hunt against female staff who refuse to play along with delusional males.