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I really don't like the violent language like Punch a Terf and the other vile things I've read.
The hatred spewing from some of these people is concerning, all because we have a difference of opinion and want fairness and privacy for women and girls.
I can't imagine having that level of anger.
 
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Yes, “punch a terf”, “kill a terf” and the other things that they come out with are disgusting. Inciting violence against women who have the audacity to not comply to their false “religion”. Yet, they think they are on the right side of history and demand, “Be kind”. bleeping hypocrits the lot of them.
 
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Very Interesting that this has been picked up by the media, I emailed the GMC a few weeks ago please see my question and their response below. To be fair I had not even thought about the issues around disciplinary sanctions – such as upheld suspensions and formal warnings – issued to a doctor before they transitioned.

not really a surprise that the GMC is another totally captured organisation....I need to go and have a read of the Gender Recognition Act!!

Hello

I wish to raise a query and possibly a concern about your policy of allowing members to reassign their gender and the future consequences of your organisation allowing such actions.

This question has been brought to mind most recently in the Peggie Vs Fife Health Board on going case.

For your information this case involves to my knowledge a person Mr Theodore Benedict Onni UPTON who identified as a man at the time of his first GMC registration - Registration number (7844321) and your records currently state "This person is not on the Medical Register and may not practise as a doctor in the UK.”

However this man is as, far as I am aware practising as a doctor in the Uk. This is because he has decided to change his ‘gender’ and is now registered under the name Elisabeth Ruth Annikki UPTON - Registration number 8038543.

Can you please explain how any member of the public would be able, upon searching for this doctor for any reason, be alerted to the fact that he had previously registered under a different name. As far as I can see your online system does not have any way of connecting these two records which relate to the same person.

I believe you as an organisation are the gatekeepers of who is and who is not legally able to practise as a doctor I would like to understand how you are fulfilling your obligation to provide relevant and up to date information to the general public.

Without the ability to be able to see all of your members registrations linked in an appropriate way, the general public have no ability to be able to question the qualifications of anyone presenting themselves as a doctor on your registration database.

I look forward to your response.

Their Response Received this afternoon

Thank you for your recent email.

I’m sure you will appreciate that we are not able to discuss the personal details of individual doctors with third parties without the consent of the doctor concerned, but I hope you will find the following clarifications helpful.

The primary purpose of the register is to give confidence that doctors practising medicine in the UK have the training, skills and experience needed to provide the standards of care that patients expect.

The Form and Content of the Registers Regulations 2015 require us to collect gender rather than sex information from doctors when they register with us. We offer a choice of two options for them – ‘man’ or ‘woman’. We publish this information and state that it will not necessarily equate to birth sex in every instance.

Our approach takes into account the fact that there are clear legal protections afforded to individuals, including doctors, relating to the use and disclosure of their personal information and their private lives. Most notably this includes human rights and equalities law, but data protection law and the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) are also relevant. We could not publish the biological sex of registrants in all cases, given the disclosure of someone’s previous identity when they have, or have applied for, a gender recognition certificate is an offence under the GRA.

There are a limited range of circumstances where we will issue a new GMC reference number to a registrant on an exceptional basis. This could include where they have changed their gender, but there are other scenarios, including where they are at risk of violence or harassment.

The new and old records will not be publicly linked to one another. We always retain an internal link between the two records, which is visible to the small number of people who require this information. This mitigates the risk that concerns about a doctor’s treatment when they practised in a previous name will not be picked up under the new record.

Finally, please note the guidance on our website to doctors on the use of their registered name and GMC number. In Good medical practice, which sets out the principles, values and standards of professional behaviour, paragraph 83 says that a doctor must ‘provide their registered name and GMC number’ to anyone who they encounter in their professional role who asks for it. This gives assurance that patients and employers can check a doctor’s qualifications and registration status and raise concerns if they need to.
The primary purpose of the register is to give confidence that doctors practising medicine in the UK have the training, skills and experience needed to provide the standards of care that patients expect.

I'm surprised that a doctor who sees no difference between the two sexes (something that people without even an iota of medical training have found a piece of cake since the dawn of the species) can be considered have the "training, skills and experience to provide the standards of care that patients expect" - especially when the doctor has stated that he would ignore requests for same-sex care from women (what with sex being a nebulous concept with no grounding in scientific reality) and, in fact, consider it a transphobic hate crime (and would possibly deny them treatment (IIRC)).

I think a "doctor" with this ethos should cause concerns to be raised left, right and centre - not only because of his own attitude and lack of biological awareness, but because his behaviour and self-obsession obviously impedes those of his colleagues who are really trying to do their jobs to the best of their ability (as we have seen with SP).
 
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I really don't like the violent language like Punch a Terf and the other vile things I've read.
The hatred spewing from some of these people is concerning, all because we have a difference of opinion and want fairness and privacy for women and girls.
I can't imagine having that level of anger.
I read a lot of Victorian and Regency era novels, and often find it frustrating how so many of the female characters' lives are ruined because they are abused by men and then have to live with the consequences of either silence, punishment, banishment and derision, putting up with men being angry at them for daring to be 'defiled' by other men etc etc... but you can see how it happened so readily. Today we see the same women-hating Neanderthals shouting at women to accept the 'trans'women in bathrooms, to call male nurses with beards a 'she', and to stay with husbands who start wearing frocks and calling themselves Sandra etc.


Edit to add:

The angry blue-haired men who grow their hair into a straggly mess today are the thuggish brutes from yesteryear. The gaslighting is a tale as old as time. What, you say, she said 'no' to your random shock proposal of marriage? Revenge upon her and her family, kill her or maim her and ruin her life. and now, what, you say, you won't call your fellow male nurse a she or change in the same room? Cancel and take to tribunal and ruin her career. Same mit, different costumes and year. :(

Can you tell I've been reading too much classic lit back to back this month? 😳 I need to read something nice as a palate cleanser.
 
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It’s the way though that this ideology is being forced and pressed onto us from all sides that’s so scary. Why are so many organisations and public bodies meekly accepting and bowing to something that clearly isn’t true? How have such a tiny group of people now forcing every single thing to be all about them? Can you imagine if everyone was suddenly being pushed to, say, go to church or convert to a different religion? There would be an outcry. Yet, tell people that male and female doesn’t exist in any biological basis and what’s in your head matters more and everyone just seems to accept it without question. To me, it’s as crazy as flat earthers but far more dangerous.

Wot @Funny_bunny says. It's the willing compliance of officialdom in every area, trying to force unwilling compliance on the population of something so obviously batshit and dangerous which is so frightening for women and girls.
 
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Article in the Nursing Times.

I’m not sure I have confidence in the Nursing Times backing Sandie (a nurse) over Upton (a Dr) having read this list of example questions you can ask its search engine in the same article
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I remember when the Internet was new and there was the hope that it would be egalitarian and give a voice to people who might not be otherwise heard, but all it seems to have done is create a platform for a lot of very loud and not very bright men, be they TRAs or the Andrew Tates of the world.
I often play this game where I imagine if I was given the choice to go back to pre-internet times and switch it off permanently, would I do it? I think of arguments for and against, the fun I have had using social media and the opportunities for learning it provides. Then I think of all the negatives; social contagion of teens, people spreading hateful propaganda and misinformation. I think I actually would do it. I think it would do people a lot of good to go out and socialise and have discussions in real life and to research from multiple printed sources of information. Even Tim Berners Lee (creator of the World Wide Web) has expressed his concerns over the way his invention can be misused. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/201...BBAzkZlHGkbwA3rH_hvyqWkf-AbQNrydTo_BHI5cNTCaY
 
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I’m not sure I have confidence in the Nursing Times backing Sandie (a nurse) over Upton (a Dr) having read this list of example questions you can ask its search engine in the same article
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I often play this game where I imagine if I was given the choice to go back to pre-internet times and switch it off permanently, would I do it? I think of arguments for and against, the fun I have had using social media and the opportunities for learning it provides. Then I think of all the negatives; social contagion of teens, people spreading hateful propaganda and misinformation. I think I actually would do it. I think it would do people a lot of good to go out and socialise and have discussions in real life and to research from multiple printed sources of information. Even Tim Berners Lee (creator of the World Wide Web) has expressed his concerns over the way his invention can be misused. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/201...BBAzkZlHGkbwA3rH_hvyqWkf-AbQNrydTo_BHI5cNTCaY
It people me to tears when 'transphobic hate' is bandied about. So manipulative.
 
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I’m not sure I have confidence in the Nursing Times backing Sandie (a nurse) over Upton (a Dr) having read this list of example questions you can ask its search engine in the same article
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I often play this game where I imagine if I was given the choice to go back to pre-internet times and switch it off permanently, would I do it? I think of arguments for and against, the fun I have had using social media and the opportunities for learning it provides. Then I think of all the negatives; social contagion of teens, people spreading hateful propaganda and misinformation. I think I actually would do it. I think it would do people a lot of good to go out and socialise and have discussions in real life and to research from multiple printed sources of information. Even Tim Berners Lee (creator of the World Wide Web) has expressed his concerns over the way his invention can be misused. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/the-man-who-created-the-world-wide-web-has-some-regrets?srsltid=AfmBOoopQj_BBAzkZlHGkbwA3rH_hvyqWkf-AbQNrydTo_BHI5cNTCaY

if I was given the choice to go back to pre-internet times and switch it off permanently, would I do it?


I would. I definitely would. It has enabled vile people to indulge their fetishes and get in touch with each other and become even more dangerous. It has corrupted and misled children by allowing access to porn and violence. It has allowed "influencers" to sway the opinions of a generation of easily led individuals and get paid for "being famous". It has spread misinformation - much of it dangerous, not just misleading. It has encouraged people to stop thinking and just adopt the last opinion they have read. It has allowed politicians with a bit of surface charisma and a lot of blarney to grift shamelessly with no comeback - the list is endless.

Sadly, we will never get that genie back in the bottle.

It is such a shame, because with stronger controls it may have been possible to use it to educate and inform. But no - "FREE SPEECH" is always shouted when we try to control what people post online - and yet here in the west our right to free speech is being rapidly eroded, and the internet has been an instrument of that, too.
 
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I really don't like the violent language like Punch a Terf and the other vile things I've read.
The hatred spewing from some of these people is concerning, all because we have a difference of opinion and want fairness and privacy for women and girls.
I can't imagine having that level of anger.
It's male entitlement and male rage. That's why the rhetoric is so sexualised and violent.

My abusive father would never have claimed a trans identity or pretended to be a woman, but it's exactly the same expression of outrage.
 
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I really don't like the violent language like Punch a Terf and the other vile things I've read.
The hatred spewing from some of these people is concerning, all because we have a difference of opinion and want fairness and privacy for women and girls.
I can't imagine having that level of anger.
The language that people use about ‘terfs’, even from people with no skin in the game (your bog standard ‘male ally’) is astonishing. No other group gets regularly talked about like that, and it’s even more pathetic when it’s from other women. I want to ask them if they genuinely don’t realise that those ‘male allies’ would say the same things to them the minute they step out of line, and have just found a handy socially accepted outlet for their violent misogyny now out and out sexism is (generally) unacceptable in left-wing circles.
 
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My enlightenment to becoming an angry feminist has really changed my opinion of men and I struggle with that. So many are predators or could become a predator very easily should an opportunity arise. I started to move away from any association with the alpha types (I know that term has been debunked but it's an easy way of explaining what I mean) but then soon found that the others often had misogynistic tendencies coupled with bitterness about not being successful with women. I don't want to be a man hater and don't want to be bitter but they are so predictable. It feels like my old Dad was one of a dying breed. The way we tend to live our lives today certainly feeds misogyny and helps the patriarchy for sure.
 
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It’s getting to the point of why would we not hate those who seek to destroy us? The women of Afghanistan surely hate the Taliban
I hate them on behalf of the women living in hell because of them.

I hate the way loons have that inherent contempt for women and I hate how some women can't see it.

That's enough hate for me, I'm going to hug my cat.
 
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It’s getting to the point of why would we not hate those who seek to destroy us? The women of Afghanistan surely hate the Taliban
I've read three books recently on Afghanistan, the history and also personal stories of women and girls subjected to vile treatment at the hands of the Taliban and other males. I would gladly obliterate every last one of these women haters in that country.
 
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The language that people use about ‘terfs’, even from people with no skin in the game (your bog standard ‘male ally’) is astonishing. No other group gets regularly talked about like that, and it’s even more pathetic when it’s from other women. I want to ask them if they genuinely don’t realise that those ‘male allies’ would say the same things to them the minute they step out of line, and have just found a handy socially accepted outlet for their violent misogyny now out and out sexism is (generally) unacceptable in left-wing circles.
They're not like other girls. So much so, they'll prioritise the other lot who aren't girls at all over actual girls to show how not like other girls they are.
 
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I've read three books recently on Afghanistan, the history and also personal stories of women and girls subjected to vile treatment at the hands of the Taliban and other males. I would gladly obliterate every last one of these women haters in that country.
These sound interesting. Could you share the titles, please?
 
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Certainly. All borrowed from my city library, count is now six: four titles are true accounts, two are fiction, but historically very interesting. Some are several years old and as bad as the women's lives were at that time, we know the situation for Afghan (and Iranian) women has now become unbearable.

Non-fiction:
"The Underground Girls of Kabul: The hidden lives of Afghan girls disguised as boys" by Jenny Nordberg
"The Sleeping Buddha: The story of Afghanistan through the lives of one family" by Hamida Ghafour
"For The Love of a Son" by Jean P. Sasson
"In the streets of Teheran: Woman, Life, Freedom": by Nila

Fiction:
"The Pearl That Broke Its Shell": by Nadia Hashimi
"The Lion Women of Teheran": by Marjan Kamali
 
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