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He's another prize bleep.
Friendly reminder that he only got the TV job because Matthew Wright refused to apologise on behalf of Anne Hegerty when she was a guest on his show and referred to fellow guest Paris Lees growing up as a boy (fact). So channel 5 fired him and replaced him with TWAW Jeremy though he has always seemed a bit fake and duplicitous so it’s not really surprising that he’s sliding the other way and getting digs like that in, he thinks it will make him popular as he sees the wind turning
 
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I’ve been pondering about why 6 Music is so apparently anti women / pro gender ideology and I wonder if it’s got anything to do with Tom Robinson (who wrote and performed Glad to be Gay) who was one of the start up presenters and is still heavily involved. He is extremely good mates with Billy Bragg (I used to follow Robinson on Twitter). Bragg has even taken over some of his presenting slots from time to time.
I had a lot of respect for Robinson. He campaigned fearlessly for gay rights and acceptance in the 70s and 80s and there are some old interviews (I think from the late 70s) I watched several years ago on YouTube where he speaks up for women and shows a good insight into female oppression of the time. I’ve just got an awful feeling he might be on the ideology bus. I would absolutely love to be wrong.
 
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I think you are confusing the above with this incident?!


He was in their room, not their underwear. Bruce Jenner is enormous and teenage K&K were incredibly slight. Surely it's not possible their undies fit him?! 😂
This makes sense 😂🤣 I need to start googling things and making sure I’m certain before posting 🤦🏽‍♂️To be fair, it doesn’t make it much less creepier 😬 (sorry to anyone that read/reads the post, I got it wrong!)
 
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This makes sense 😂🤣 I need to start googling things and making sure I’m certain before posting 🤦🏽‍♂️To be fair, it doesn’t make it much less creepier 😬 (sorry to anyone that read/reads the post, I got it wrong!)
It was Kim but otherwise you were right
 
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It was Kim but otherwise you were right
Still no excuse from me, but I’m at least relieved that remembering some part of it was true and I just didn’t completely make something up!
 
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Couldn't help but see some parallels between doctors doing surgery on trans people (esp. the under 18s) and a comic book villain when watching Guardians of the Galaxy 3. "Be not as you are but as you should be..." via horrific surgery and genetic experiments. And a character asking why they weren't enough as they were. It's a pretty distressing film, even if you just take it at face value, fyi.
 
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What makes me mad when women say they don't want to change with men are comments smugly declaring "so what, lesbians exist?"

Men have sexually molested and behaved inappropriately to me ever since I can remember. When I was in first grade, a guy would wait for us and try to talk us into looking at his ponies, rabbits and guinea pigs. When I was 10, guys would touch me at the pool or try to catch a glimpse of me changing. When I was 12, a guy flashed his erection at me on an empty train. When I was 13, random strangers on the street would whistle and catcall me. At 18 I had an experience I'd describe as a date grape. And so on and so forth until now in my 30s when the most recent experience was being at a naturist spa in the sauna and some guy came and sat inappropriately close to stare at me in a sauna empty except for me and my husband on the other side. I didn't even notice, but my husband did, and sat up and looked at the guy until he left. I didn't feel threatened, but absolutely would have had I been alone.
I know for sure that my experiences are neither exceptional nor even especially bad when compared to the experiences other women have had. I thus feel confident in saying that every woman has had many experiences with men being inappropriate, violent and threatening.

Now I'm sure that in my many years on this Earth, I have come across lesbians in the public domain. I'm sure I've changed with them, showered with them, been in a pool, club or empty train with them. Not once ever has any woman behaved sexually inappropriate to me, grape me, groped me, flashed me, catcalled me, continued to aggressively "flirt" or push for more after I've made clear that i wasn't interested, etc

I have not once in my life been threatened nor even made uncomfortable by lesbians. Because they are women, and behave as such.
Men, on the other hand, are a very different story.
BIB: I remember after the Sarah Everard case, I had a number of random chats with female friends, and we all recounted numerous incidents of male harassment or worse in our lives in the past ranging from catcalling to date grape. What was emerged was just how common it was that we had all been the victim of some sort of harassment (or worse) and for the most part, we didn't report it, but just accepted it and went on with our lives. We also had never even spoken to each other about many of the events because it was just so commonplace.

So, as you say, when we express concern about males being in female spaces, we're not saying this from an academic perspective: this is the lived experience of the majority, if not all, of us.
 
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BIB: I remember after the Sarah Everard case, I had a number of random chats with female friends, and we all recounted numerous incidents of male harassment or worse in our lives in the past ranging from catcalling to date grape. What was emerged was just how common it was that we had all been the victim of some sort of harassment (or worse) and for the most part, we didn't report it, but just accepted it and went on with our lives. We also had never even spoken to each other about many of the events because it was just so commonplace.

So, as you say, when we express concern about males being in female spaces, we're not saying this from an academic perspective: this is the lived experience of the majority, if not all, of us.
There is no feeling like a Woman, we are individuals but the two things that unite us as Woman are our lack of a Y chromosome and the near certainty that we will be a victim of a sexual offence carried out by a Man, be it a case of exposure that the vast majority of us shrug off to the other end of the spectrum.
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Just seen a headline that Jeremy Vine mistook a Transwoman for a Man. Honestly there isn't a person alive that would have thought for a millisecond that that was a Woman.
 
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The Temu advertising algorithms have got this thread well and truly sussed! 😁

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I have a theory on this - a TW can be a Barbie because Barbie is gender. But the twist at the end is that Woman requires something different. Aka a gynaecologist. Because Woman is sex.
My take on this that a TW can be a Barbie because they’re all pretend and have no genitals.

Hence the perfection of Stereotypical Barbie’s final scene in the film, once she becomes an actual woman and not a representation of a reductive idea of a cliched type of ‘woman’.
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Seems Jonathan Ross has had enough of Himdia’s wittering :LOL:. Good for him!

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India is really, really thick: by this logic his extensive blocklist of anyone who doesn’t believe TWAW is because he’s hurt by that truth. 🤔
 
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So I used to work with a guy a few years back who was quite alternative, a bit odd maybe and very camp. He was out as gay and had been for years but I never knew him to have a relationship or even any dalliances with men. Anyway I drove past him yesterday and he’s grown his hair and dyed it pink and was wearing a dress. Because he’s always been a bit alternative (nail varnish/ eyeliner/ emo and sometimes punk rock style) I didn’t think much of it but decided to look him up and see what he was up to these days. Turns out he’s apparently now a woman and goes by the name Candy 🤮 All his pics on Facebook are massively filtered or anime characters that bear very little resemblance to the hairy bloke in a dress i drove past at the bus stop yesterday but are all littered with comments about how fabulous “she” looks.
 
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So I used to work with a guy a few years back who was quite alternative, a bit odd maybe and very camp. He was out as gay and had been for years but I never knew him to have a relationship or even any dalliances with men. Anyway I drove past him yesterday and he’s grown his hair and dyed it pink and was wearing a dress. Because he’s always been a bit alternative (nail varnish/ eyeliner/ emo and sometimes punk rock style) I didn’t think much of it but decided to look him up and see what he was up to these days. Turns out he’s apparently now a woman and goes by the name Candy 🤮 All his pics on Facebook are massively filtered or anime characters that bear very little resemblance to the hairy bloke in a dress i drove past at the bus stop yesterday but are all littered with comments about how fabulous “she” looks.
‘Candy’ :sick:
I saw a lad that looked at face value to be an alternative/punk style waiting outside Tesco with a dog on a lead, presumably waiting for a friend to come out the shop. He was wearing a tartan mini skirt, had the long hair, wearing necklaces, long straggly hair. I know we can dress as we want but it doesn’t make it feel any less disturbing to me, seeing boys and men dressing creepily, especially when we are seeing more of it. It’s a form of exhibitionism and narcissism, I feel.
 
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