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Im pretty sure the TV show chose her deliberately to cause controversy and discussion!

And they may well have warned the Groom, but.... he can still feel aggrieved at being used like this for a storyline! So even more clicks for the show!

And maybe someone needs to tell Ella her choice of bikini outfits are ....very male orientated, the kind of thing a man would choose to wear or to give a woman to wear and almost entirely for the male gaze. The bikini top isnt holding anything up, so its totally unnatural, and the fabric thing at her groin reminds me of a mankini.

And no Ella you are not just like any other girl........
It really is a mankini!
 
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An American newspaper (I can't remember which one might have been Washington post?) did a big piece on 'missing women' in India and China a while back and the knock-on effects it has in society there. In China, it means men are buying brides from countries like Vietnam, in India the high numbers of unmarried men may have led to a rise in 'Eve- teasing ' ie sexual harassment and assault, and bride-kidnapping. I can't find the article now but this covers similar ground. It's pretty bleak reading

It's dreadful reading. Very reminiscent in some ways of the "Killing Rooms" of China where abandoned baby girls were effectively left to die. I think the BBC did a programme on the subject. I couldn't watch it, it was too distressing.
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I also watched a documentary about women being forced into abortions. One woman explaining that her husband would divorce her is she did give birth to a female child. A lot of these women in the villages are unable to read, are trapped at home and completely dependent on their partners.
Men divorcing wives who give birth to girls - when it is the male sperm which determines the sex of a baby.

As usual women are blamed for men's "faults".
 
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I also wonder if this groom felt he had to be okay with it. I worry that people will be pressurised into saying “Oh that’s fine I’m open to everyone!” because of the fallout if they said “absolutely not”. As always, the fear of being “cancelled” even if you’re a Joe Bloggs, is massive.
Exactly this! If there was a box to tick saying would you accept a trans partner, they are probably just worried about what would happen if they tick no! I mean, these people are so fame hungry that they would probably tick yes just so as to not risk their place on the line up. Even if the guy said in theory that he was open to it.. the reality is very different isn’t it. From what I have seen of Ella, he seems deeply unattractive, inside and out. A gross, pornified caricature of womanhood. A knockoff, dated, Wish/Shein version of a noughties page 3 girl. He is hardly anyone’s type based on that, let alone the fact he’s also a bloke. So whether it’s his horrendous implants or his ghastly personality or the fact that he’s got an inverted pen for a “tina” that means he’s rejected- everything and anything will be “transphobia” won’t it.
 
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I did a search and her twitter and substance are very GC. She’s a 6ft American who sounds like a total badass. She could lose Robin Ince under her shoe. Well done Brian, well done.
If only she would!

Good choice of bride, Brian. Make sure you are worthy of her.
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This is the reason why the Government must issue it's guidance to schools on how to deal with transgender issues as a matter of urgency. Their failure to do is is a serious dereliction of duty. This situation is outrageous. A 12 year old girl is disciplined because she doesn't feel comfortable changing in front of a boy? This is absolute madness. There's a reason why there are separate changing facilities for boys and girls. The boy thinking that he's a girl, doesn't make him one.

I remember doing PE and being uncomfortable changing with other girls. Our bodies were developing at different rates, and I was extremely self-conscious. I can't imagine how I'd have felt being forced to change in front of a boy.

Some of the comments are so disheartening: some people asking why she's uncomfortable since we all get changed with other people in swimming pools for example (we have separate changing rooms in public swimming pools); others basically saying 'be kind'; or suggesting that the girl should change elsewhere. Why should the girl have to change elsewhere? And what if other girls feel uncomfortable? This is like the Lia Thomas situation where the female swimmers were told that they were the problem.

This is both infuriating and depressing.
 
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In China, it means men are buying brides from countries like Vietnam
They do, sometimes because they can't find wives and other times because they consider local women too outspoken, educated, feminist, etc. This also happens in Japan and South Korea - large increase in men going to Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, etc. for wives that won't talk back. And yet in the west so many men want a Chinese, Korean, Japanese wife expecting them to be so much more obedient and submissive than a white/Black woman. These men are the same all over the world

Barbie is a feminist tale why did it HAVE to have a sodding trans person 😠 👠
"lead role" = minor role, well he was playing a version of Barbie who is the main character but the only Barbies with any significant screen time are Margot Robbie and "Weird" Barbie
 
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Went a wee dive into the Twitter comments on the RA debacle and it’s so interesting to see all the disappointed trans people and allies 🙄 spouting off. Reminds me why I hardly look at Twitter. It’s full of deranged, hateful people. Arghhh I hate it. Fair bit of support for him too though. It’s just jarring to read the comments. They are so thick! Cancelling someone who reviewed a book and liked it. Make it make sense.
 
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This is the reason why the Government must issue it's guidance to schools on how to deal with transgender issues as a matter of urgency. Their failure to do is is a serious dereliction of duty. This situation is outrageous. A 12 year old girl is disciplined because she doesn't feel comfortable changing in front of a boy? This is absolute madness. There's a reason why there are separate changing facilities for boys and girls. The boy thinking that he's a girl, doesn't make him one.

I remember doing PE and being uncomfortable changing with other girls. Our bodies were developing at different rates, and I was extremely self-conscious. I can't imagine how I'd have felt being forced to change in front of a boy.

Some of the comments are so disheartening: some people asking why she's uncomfortable since we all get changed with other people in swimming pools for example (we have separate changing rooms in public swimming pools); others basically saying 'be kind'; or suggesting that the girl should change elsewhere. Why should the girl have to change elsewhere? And what if other girls feel uncomfortable? This is like the Lia Thomas situation where the female swimmers were told that they were the problem.

This is both infuriating and depressing.
I don’t think it’s legal under the equality act. If I was the parent I would have been sending letters to the governers and ofsted about safeguarding.
 
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What makes me mad when women say they don't want to change with men are comments smugly declaring "so what, lesbians exist?"

Men have sexually molested and behaved inappropriately to me ever since I can remember. When I was in first grade, a guy would wait for us and try to talk us into looking at his ponies, rabbits and guinea pigs. When I was 10, guys would touch me at the pool or try to catch a glimpse of me changing. When I was 12, a guy flashed his erection at me on an empty train. When I was 13, random strangers on the street would whistle and catcall me. At 18 I had an experience I'd describe as a date grape. And so on and so forth until now in my 30s when the most recent experience was being at a naturist spa in the sauna and some guy came and sat inappropriately close to stare at me in a sauna empty except for me and my husband on the other side. I didn't even notice, but my husband did, and sat up and looked at the guy until he left. I didn't feel threatened, but absolutely would have had I been alone.
I know for sure that my experiences are neither exceptional nor even especially bad when compared to the experiences other women have had. I thus feel confident in saying that every woman has had many experiences with men being inappropriate, violent and threatening.

Now I'm sure that in my many years on this Earth, I have come across lesbians in the public domain. I'm sure I've changed with them, showered with them, been in a pool, club or empty train with them. Not once ever has any woman behaved sexually inappropriate to me, grape me, groped me, flashed me, catcalled me, continued to aggressively "flirt" or push for more after I've made clear that i wasn't interested, etc

I have not once in my life been threatened nor even made uncomfortable by lesbians. Because they are women, and behave as such.
Men, on the other hand, are a very different story.
 
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I know Kathy Burke worships at the alter of gender ideology, but this tweet and her cold-hearted attitude towards James Dreyfus, who has never to my knowledge said anything disparaging about her, has really put me off her.


The replies are interesting, but these ones summed it up for me:
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This is the reason why the Government must issue it's guidance to schools on how to deal with transgender issues as a matter of urgency. Their failure to do is is a serious dereliction of duty. This situation is outrageous. A 12 year old girl is disciplined because she doesn't feel comfortable changing in front of a boy? This is absolute madness. There's a reason why there are separate changing facilities for boys and girls. The boy thinking that he's a girl, doesn't make him one.

I remember doing PE and being uncomfortable changing with other girls. Our bodies were developing at different rates, and I was extremely self-conscious. I can't imagine how I'd have felt being forced to change in front of a boy.

Some of the comments are so disheartening: some people asking why she's uncomfortable since we all get changed with other people in swimming pools for example (we have separate changing rooms in public swimming pools); others basically saying 'be kind'; or suggesting that the girl should change elsewhere. Why should the girl have to change elsewhere? And what if other girls feel uncomfortable? This is like the Lia Thomas situation where the female swimmers were told that they were the problem.

This is both infuriating and depressing.
It's teaching girls to ignore their instincts and discomfort. We're hard wired to be aware of danger from men and insisting that girls desensitise themselves to this danger will lead to them to ignore risk in the future. But hey, as long as the boy isn't upset, right?

I used to be fairly (ok, full on) TWAW and had a male lecturer in his sixties who would show up to teach in gold sequinned mini skirts and tight tops**. Looking back I can remember feeling really uncomfortable and creeped out by "her" but swallowing it down because she was a woman and I was so bleeping right on. We shouldn't be teaching girls and women that it's normal to have to push down that feeling in the pit of their stomachs - it's there for a reason.

**Can you imagine a woman in her sixties getting away with dressing like that for work? She'd be ripped to shreds
 
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This thread :sick: :sick:

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Problem is if the question was the Are you... TIMs would select female as they've mangled the language and can get their birth certs changed, it's a low bar but better than assigned as
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Oh no, The TRAs are now upset at RA, they will probably go on about how's he is the BiL of Lawrance Fox so not unexpected 🙄 they don't seem to realise the ones that simply aren't saying anything don't care for these fool swinging tran"girlies" that so call left claim to love

Link if you fancy - https://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1785633066/comedyguide-21/

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Sorry didn't spot that was an aff link - this shouldn't be -
Ooooh and endorsed by Rossy and Richard Adoyade, they are brave putting their endorsement on there :ROFLMAO: 👏 I might buy this book. The IT Crowd has to be one of my favourite comedy shows of all time, you know, back when comedy was allowed to be funny and push boundaries. I know Linehan is a bit marmite amongst GCs but he has put his neck on the line when he didn’t have to.
 
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The TIME it must take to be so self-involved! Dear TRAs, go get some fresh air, take a walk, read a book, call a friend. I promise it will make you way more interesting than telling people about your 368 genders!
 
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My little girl has a game on her kindle which is like a dolls house, you make characters and furnish houses make up stories etc it’s really sweet. She was making a daddy and called me over to say “You can put this daddy in girls clothes! That’s strange!??” And before this thread we would have had a conversation about how clothes are clothes and people can wear what they like and if daddies want to wear dresses that’s ok… but instead I brought to mind the wives and daughters of these daddies and instead said. “Yes, that is strange. Let’s find him some jeans” 😅
 
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My little girl has a game on her kindle which is like a dolls house, you make characters and furnish houses make up stories etc it’s really sweet. She was making a daddy and called me over to say “You can put this daddy in girls clothes! That’s strange!??” And before this thread we would have had a conversation about how clothes are clothes and people can wear what they like and if daddies want to wear dresses that’s ok… but instead I brought to mind the wives and daughters of these daddies and instead said. “Yes, that is strange. Let’s find him some jeans” 😅
Haha my toddler is very interested in why I don’t have a pen and yet he and my husband do. I just tell him that only boys have willies. So there!
 
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We are currently checking out nurseries for our little one- on an application form one of them had 'Gender- Male/Female/Non-Binary' as options.

Eugh... anyone that claims their 2 year old is non-binary needs serious help... what kid even understand what that means?!
 
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Kellie-Jay is not going to NZ. The threat to her and the lack of any state protection and her family’s concerns and wishes have made her come to the decision not to go.
I’m sure that most of us will support this. I can’t forget watching the live stream in NZ and wondering if KJ was ok. Goodness knows how it was for her husband.
 
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