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I am delighted to see this. That creep should never have been allowed to compete with women.

This gives me hope that this will start to happen more and more. Light at the end of a horrible tunnel, hopefully.
Has it been announced if Lia has to compete back in the men’s races?
 
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I just went to check out Etsy because I had heard that they cancelled people’s listings for having Detrans products. I entered Detrans into the search and a few products came up but the rest were very pro-trans, including one sticker that said “If you don’t want to live in a world with transsexuals, you don’t have to… Take the initiative.” So people get blocked for having products that have ‘Believe detranitioners’ on them, but other products are allowed to openly promote violence and suicide, and they are promoted, because of all the “literal violence” being committed on trans people “in the streets”. They’re so willfully dishonest.
 
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Talk about in plain sight. The silencing of women couldn’t be any more blatant. I’m sure this is illegal and they shouldn’t be allowed to bully women in an attempt to circumvent the law.
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Has it been announced if Lia has to compete back in the men’s races?
Lia will probably quietly retire from competitive swimming. Although it would be good to see him compete against his own sex.
 
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Peter Tatchell is as mealy-mouthed as you'd expect saying that of course the foundation of sport is fairness, but that since biological men come in all shapes and sizes, and some might be smaller than biological women, it's unfair to have a blanket ban. He suggests that it's done on a case by case basis otherwise it's not fair on biological men who transition but don't actually have an advantage over biological women. Err, hello? What arrant nonsense. Of course there are some men who even if they transitioned wouldn't be as athletic as some women, but that isn't the point. Those people clearly wouldn't have a chance of success if they competed against biological men. So why do they get to try out against women? The argument is nonsensical.
It absolutely baffles me that Peter Tatchell is ever given any sort of platform to speak on any issue, especially any issue remotely encompassing aspects of safeguarding, after the PIE shitshow as well as the many subsequent instances of his dubious positioning on issues around child sexual activity and consent.
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Has it been announced if Lia has to compete back in the men’s races?
I very much doubt that Lia would want to. I’d imagine that Lia wouldn’t be troubling the men’s podium much. Lia’s winning time in the women's 500-yard freestyle is roughly 27 seconds shy of the record in the men’s event.
 
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revoke his Womens titles and reset the current Bests

whoever came 2nd to Will needs to be awarded 1st and everyone else upped to their correct placing.
There are so many sports where this should be happening (because men should never have been awarded anything to begin with) The one that springs to my mind is Laurel Hubbard steal a gold medal from Samoan Feagaiga Stowers at the Pacific Games - she had Won The gold, but that hat stole it. Iuniana Sipaia took home bronze and should have had silver, But who was fourth? Dis the fourth girl - who ought to have had a bronze medal, even keep on with the sport?

How many young women have dropped out of the sorts they have loved and worked for, because they know that they no longer stand a chance where males are competing?

They will never get those opportunities again. Even if the medals are now given to the true winners, it isn't the same - there is no pride of achievement, no public acknowledgement on the world stage of all of their works and dedication.

So many women have had their dreams broken and spat on, and nothing will bring them back. I HATE these men and the people who enabled their misogyny.
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That's amazing, albeit long overdue news, about swimming. I hope that Riley Gaines is having a bottle of champers tonight to celebrate. I have so much admiration for that young woman, and hopefully in time, all young women will recognise the debt that they owe her for her tireless and selfless campaigning.



This video showed up on my timeline just now. It's the former Olympic rower Alex Story and Peter Tatchell reacting to British rowing's decision to ban transgender women from competing against biological women. Alex Storey makes the usual common sense points when talking about how it was insane that it was ever entertained in the first place.

Peter Tatchell is as mealy-mouthed as you'd expect saying that of course the foundation of sport is fairness, but that since biological men come in all shapes and sizes, and some might be smaller than biological women, it's unfair to have a blanket ban. He suggests that it's done on a case by case basis otherwise it's not fair on biological men who transition but don't actually have an advantage over biological women. Err, hello? What arrant nonsense. Of course there are some men who even if they transitioned wouldn't be as athletic as some women, but that isn't the point. Those people clearly wouldn't have a chance of success if they competed against biological men. So why do they get to try out against women? The argument is nonsensical.

I am not in the slightest bit athletic, but that's life. It doesn't mean I should be allowed to compete against say 10 year olds. Sport is competitive, and by its very nature, separates people into those who are stronger, faster, more capable etc. The point of equality in sport is that 'like competes against like'. Anything else is inherently unfair and wrong. Lia Thomas was a mediocre male swimmer, but a champion 'female' swimmer. That's the unfairness. Tatchell is either stupid or being disingenuous if he doesn't understand that point.
I watched that little interview.

Alex Storey was great - spoke with barely concealed contempt for Tatchell and for "men who put a dress on and say they're a woman" (paraphrasing). Tatchell sounded like the pathetic, whining little runt he is. I got the impression that if Tatchell was standing next to him he wouldn't even p*ss on him for pastime - he wouldn't even notice his presence.

Plus, Tatchell talking about how some people have advantages in sport anyway, because they have bigger shoulders, longer legs etc - well, Yes, they do, Peter - and they work hard to make the best use of these advantages. We members of the general pie-eating public call them "athletes", and they go into particular sports where their particular physical advantages can be used to best effect. Against members of their own SEX.

Blimey - Tatchell is a snivelling little stoat of a man, but even he could beat me at arm-wrestling. It's not just size and weight - it's body composition - muscle type and proportion, bone density and joint angles etc. He sounded really pathetic trying to justify male inclusion in women's sports. Stuff your "individual case-by-case", Peter. A man and a woman of the same height and weight are not "equal". Because the man will still be considerable stronger and faster despite their being matched because their physiology is different.
 
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There are so many sports where this should be happening (because men should never have been awarded anything to begin with) The one that springs to my mind is Laurel Hubbard steal a gold medal from Samoan Feagaiga Stowers at the Pacific Games - she had Won The gold, but that hat stole it. Iuniana Sipaia took home bronze and should have had silver, But who was fourth? Dis the fourth girl - who ought to have had a bronze medal, even keep on with the sport?

How many young women have dropped out of the sorts they have loved and worked for, because they know that they no longer stand a chance where males are competing?

They will never get those opportunities again. Even if the medals are now given to the true winners, it isn't the same - there is no pride of achievement, no public acknowledgement on the world stage of all of their works and dedication.

So many women have had their dreams broken and spat on, and nothing will bring them back. I HATE these men and the people who enabled their misogyny.
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I watched that little interview.

Alex Storey was great - spoke with barely concealed contempt for Tatchell and for "men who put a dress on and say they're a woman" (paraphrasing). Tatchell sounded like the pathetic, whining little runt he is. I got the impression that if Tatchell was standing next to him he wouldn't even p*ss on him for pastime - he wouldn't even notice his presence.

Plus, Tatchell talking about how some people have advantages in sport anyway, because they have bigger shoulders, longer legs etc - well, Yes, they do, Peter - and they work hard to make the best use of these advantages. We members of the general pie-eating public call them "athletes", and they go into particular sports where their particular physical advantages can be used to best effect. Against members of their own SEX.

Blimey - Tatchell is a snivelling little stoat of a man, but even he could beat me at arm-wrestling. It's not just size and weight - it's body composition - muscle type and proportion, bone density and joint angles etc. He sounded really pathetic trying to justify male inclusion in women's sports. Stuff your "individual case-by-case", Peter. A man and a woman of the same height and weight are not "equal". Because the man will still be considerable stronger and faster despite their being matched because their physiology is different.
Plus the icing on the cake, testosterone.
 
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It takes some skill to write a piece this long about modern anti truth movements without once mentioning the trans cult
Mainstream like to keep things separate so people don't realise that actually, we are all conspiracists in some way, they know. once it clicks, it's game over.

How many times do we hear anyone who disagrees with anything that is pushed by mainstream media are phobic, racist, far right, Qanon, flat earthers?

Once you see something clearer that you might not have seen before, you then look deeper into the other things you and then you see just how many lies you have been told.
 
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So happy more sports are doing the right thing. I went to uni on a sports scholarship and it made a world of difference to my life - i probably wouldn't have gone without the additional financial help as we grew up poor and no one in my family ever stayed on post 16. The idea they could give these chances to men cosplaying rather than the women that need them has always infuriated me. Women's sport needs all the help it can get - including men in it is completely ridiculous.
 
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It’s so obviously a misogyny movement. The feelings of concerned women are to be completely ignored. We have no right to feel uncomfortable allowing biological men into women only spaces. Most of these men have not undergone surgery, many claim to be lesbians, and yet we’re to accept they have every right to be in toilets and changing rooms and we cannot express our concerns. Trans women are NOT women, they are men. They are no different from any other men, apart from having a weird fetish in many cases.We have an instinct to be fearful of men in inappropriate situations and now we’re being told to ignore it, because the rights of men trump our discomfort. 🤬
 
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Thinking about it, maybe the reason Tatchell keeps appearing on the trans side of things when they need a voice for talk shows is that practically no one else is willing to do it as they know:
-it's balls
-they can't defend it
-they'll be caught up in knots by any decent interviewer
 
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Mainstream like to keep things separate so people don't realise that actually, we are all conspiracists in some way, they know. once it clicks, it's game over.

How many times do we hear anyone who disagrees with anything that is pushed by mainstream media are phobic, racist, far right, Qanon, flat earthers?

Once you see something clearer that you might not have seen before, you then look deeper into the other things you and then you see just how many lies you have been told.
Well according to the Grauniad I'm one of those awful people who have lost the plot because I despise the WEF and don't believe most government propaganda 😁 of course that means that we must be labelled 'right wing' ro make us feel ashamed of ourselves.

I feel the opposite of the woman in their story. Most people I know appear to be blind to what's going on, especially with the trans ideology. Every time I bring it up they think I'm making a fuss about nothing.
 
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Well, there is that theory (posited by a trans man who regrets his transition) that there's an agenda afoot; that all this is a way of "heterosexualising" people. In other words, if your little boy says "I think I might be gay", instead of supporting him you tell him he's really a girl. I think it's certainly possible in certain parts of the US.
If this has even a faint element of truth in it, it makes the whole LGBT ****** movement totally absurd! (I was thinking of it applying more in places like Saudi Arabia rather than the US though, )

Its as if, the LGB movement has been taken over by elements that are encouraging negativity towards les and gay people! Which would be awful. It also explains to some extent the confusion between wanting to support les and gay rights, which I do, so part of me wants to support the whole rainbow and pride movement, and yet also wanting to question critically the whole trans agenda!
 
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Thinking about it, maybe the reason Tatchell keeps appearing on the trans side of things when they need a voice for talk shows is that practically no one else is willing to do it as they know:
-it's balls
-they can't defend it
-they'll be caught up in knots by any decent interviewer
Also - he's the only one without green/purple/blue hair, so at least has a whisper of a chance of the TV not being switched off when viewers see him.
 
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If this has even a faint element of truth in it, it makes the whole LGBT ****** movement totally absurd! (I was thinking of it applying more in places like Saudi Arabia rather than the US though, )

Its as if, the LGB movement has been taken over by elements that are encouraging negativity towards les and gay people! Which would be awful. It also explains to some extent the confusion between wanting to support les and gay rights, which I do, so part of me wants to support the whole rainbow and pride movement, and yet also wanting to question critically the whole trans agenda!
Homosexuality is illegal in Iran but transgender isnt
 
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I think I’ve reached the stage where I’d prefer a man in man’s clothes in the ladies toilets than a man in a wig and frock. At least the normally dressed ones have a chance of not being a p, whereas the ones in the dresses are 99.9% likely to be a perv.
 
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