I understand sort of where you’re coming from, but you say this movement in its current form is undermining women (I agree) but the first letter in LGB refers to women so unless You’re also accusing lesbians (like your daughter) in perpetuating all of this, then how can you blame and resent “LGB” for the current situation we’re in? I suppose that’s the trouble of “communities” as everyone are individuals, and despite their sexualities are not a monolith. I wasn’t alive during the HIV crisis and didn’t have any woman or man wipe my a, as I was born later, but I’m still a gay man and firmly GC. If you’re blaming GB men, then yeah, you may have a point but again, I am a gay man and I have many gay male friends who are fed up all of all this toxic and misogynistic bull. “LGBT” as a movement may have made its bed but as a gay person I don’t want to lie in it, and me and others are fighting against it and I very much do not think it’s my own fault. I know you didn’t go much into the thread but we discuss the frustration of this later on about how frustrating it is that every time we try and speak out our own gay media is censoring us, or labelling us as bigots.
I feel your post reading it back was WAY harsh and not really justified imo.
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I thought today about starting a chant saying trans isn’t real. It isn’t . It can’t be. It’s impossible.
It was harsh, yes and while no offence was intended, it is how I feel and I do think it is what is happening.
LGB was never about the lesbians, they were just to add to your numbers and for the most part over the past 50 years+ they have been ignored.
May I suggest you take some time during one of the many LGBT history months/weeks/days of the year we have to suffer that insufferable rainbow bloody flag being rammed down our throats, to educate yourself on just how women have supported gay men over the years and how women were the only ones who would care for you during the AIDS crisis of the 80's? You may gain a little respect and understand where I am coming from. I was a young child back then, but I remember it being on the news and in the paper. Gay men were worse than lepers.
You are viewing things via your male standpoint. You are still (basically) saying that I can't call out gay men for their misogynistic behaviours, mostly because you don't think you are one; but you are still asking women to support you and put you first because your male socialisation demands it.
I ask you - Why should women do that? The worst thing that has happened to you through all of this is you have women in your saunas, while we are getting sexually assaulted in ours..
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What’s an educated response to people who, when bringing up hormones and chromosomes, genitalia etc, respond with ‘what about people with Down’s syndrome/intersex people/ people with hyperandrogenism/people with unusually high levels of testosterone in natural born women, etc - are these people not women?’
I never know how to express my thoughts well or know the correct medical background on these issues
You keep it factual. There are two sexes male/female. There is no intersex condition that is that is a mix of both, even for the very few people with ambiguous genitalia, they are still biologically male/female. I've never seen people with down's brought into the equation and I would say that is very insulting. Women with naturally high levels of testosterone are still women and their T levels are never on par with that of males.