Gender Discussion #24

[GladiatorReady]

A woman on a Facebook page just tried to tell me that children singing a song about cliterises is exactly the same as them singing the Hokey Cokey because it’s “just about body parts”. These dullards are dangerous to society.

I think there is a subset of people who are pretty much champagne socialists. They want to 'do the right thing' and 'be open minded' and will clap and cheer, but don't have the personal knowledge of why single-sex spaces are so vital.

A lot of them will go overboard in trying to prove their left-wing credentials by supporting garbage like TFSS, where if it was a right-wing theatre company making up a song about the clitoris, they would be outraged.

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Personally I have five syllables 'homo-sex-u-al-ity'

I saw a great thread a couple of weeks ago from someone asking how they can tell if they're sexually attracted to someone before they know what their gender is (if they see them in a bar/club/street) and everyone basically responded "I can feel visual attraction to someone but as soon as they tell me that they're a [insert gender] then I don't feel any visual attraction to them at all, it just instantly stops."

 

[Disillusioned]

Kris Hallenga set up Coppafeel when she was diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer at 23 in 2009, the charity targeting ages 18-35 focusing on self screening and advocacy, so the name seems reflective as such.

I am within said range and not keen on the name/branding myself for different reasons, but she has been massively successful with her approach here so it clearly resonates with people/they find the subject matter more accessible as a result. Perhaps if she had been diagnosed today she might have named it something different

You can see I was responding to a poster saying women’s breast cancer would be less likely to have a ‘jokey’ campaign? I wasn’t suggesting it was not successful. I know the history, I remember it being launched and feeling very uncomfortable with the sexualised name and hand print logo. I was in her target age range then. I’m wasn’t commenting on the efficacy, just providing an example.

 

[Sea]

You can see I was responding to a poster saying women’s breast cancer would be less likely to have a ‘jokey’ campaign? I wasn’t suggesting it was not successful. I know the history, I remember it being launched and feeling very uncomfortable with the sexualised approach and hand print logo. I was in her target age range then. I’m wasn’t commenting on the efficacy, just providing an example.

It is a horrible branding (and I feel literally too the hand print reminds me of a cow being branded, X marks the animal, is that what we are animals with udders?).

"Cop a feel" is what I expect lads and immature men to say about wanting to touch women's breasts, not for women to feel their own boobs.
Although successfully appealing to the younger demographic, I still don't like it visually.

 

[Prognosis Negative]

You can see I was responding to a poster saying women’s breast cancer would be less likely to have a ‘jokey’ campaign? I wasn’t suggesting it was not successful. I know the history, I remember it being launched and feeling very uncomfortable with the sexualised name and hand print logo. I was in her target age range then. I’m wasn’t commenting on the efficacy, just providing an example.

I can see that, it’s just the logo was posted without further comment/context and I was thinking about how I hadn’t been keen on it either but perhaps in the wider context of the success of their campaigns perhaps my feelings on the name were less relevant as I’m not a cancer sufferer. I also do genuinely wonder if she would choose the same name if if it were being set up now.

I wasn’t in any way trying to be rude to you or suggest you were not aware of the history or success of the charity- I was just adding my thoughts about them to the thread with some additional context. I’m autistic and sometimes I accidentally go overboard on details, but everything I write is meant very literally.

 

[Vanelope]

It is a horrible branding (and I feel literally too the hand print reminds me of a cow being branded, X marks the animal, is that what we are animals with udders?).

"Cop a feel" is what I expect lads and immature men to say about wanting to touch women's breasts, not for women to feel their own boobs.
Although successfully appealing to the younger demographic, I still don't like it visually.

I don’t like the branding - and her Twitter handle is ‘how to glitter a curd’ which is also yuck. But she has been dealt a horrible hand and has done a lot for breast cancer screening among younger people so I do admire her determination.

 

[ButtonDownTheHutches]

A straight girl seems to have had a go at a gay man for standing up for homosexuality.

Many gay men have refreshingly limited tolerance for natal females declaring themselves to be gay men, and are not so keen, or subject to the same degree of societal pressure, to acquiesce to the intrusion of trans men into their spaces as women are where trans woman are concerned.

This thread is a heartening read in that respect, especially the acknowledgment of the pressures and prejudices faced by biological women: https://www.datalounge.com/thread/29093729-gay-saunas-allowing-trans-men-in

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Personally I have five syllables 'homo-sex-u-al-ity'

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Oh dear. In their desperation to sound achingly clever, ‘Annie’ has missed the point that homosexuality is to be ‘sexually attracted to people of one's own sex’, not ‘sexually attracted to someone’s self-declared gender’.

 

[DoraMaar]

Just saw this on Twitter - maybe the cats identify as mice?

 

[Disillusioned]

I can see that, it’s just the logo was posted without further comment/context and I was thinking about how I hadn’t been keen on it either but perhaps in the wider context of the success of their campaigns perhaps my feelings on the name were less relevant as I’m not a cancer sufferer. I also do genuinely wonder if she would choose the same name if if it were being set up now.

I wasn’t in any way trying to be rude to you or suggest you were not aware of the history or success of the charity- I was just adding my thoughts about them to the thread with some additional context. I’m autistic and sometimes I accidentally go overboard on details, but everything I write is meant very literally.

That’s fine. I just didn’t want to be construed as criticising her work and success. I actually heard some lads joking about a big coppafeel poster when it was launched, and felt ‘well that was handed to them on a plate, the guys’.

 

[Ursaarctosarctos]

Shouldn't this be skincare for prostrate owners ? But isn't it interesting, skincare and makeup is meant to be universal with men and women promoting it, and men lifted up and praised for coming into that traditionally female space, except when it's a men's only line then men can just have that to themselves.

 

[petitspois]

Netflix is recommending a show called ‘He’s expecting’.
No thanks

 

[Glortard]

Shouldn't this be skincare for prostrate owners ? But isn't it interesting, skincare and makeup is meant to be universal with men and women promoting it, and men lifted up and praised for coming into that traditionally female space, except when it's a men's only line then men can just have that to themselves.

When Gilette rolled out their best a man could be advert they took a hit both to brand awareness and also sales. Whilst it’s not in the same vein as what you mentioned it still fits into that virtue signaling niche. Men are not going to be erased from stuff because there is not a clamour for it but more importantly there is not support for it. The erasure of woman from various stuff is supported internally in a lot of companies/institutions driven by demands by TIFs supported by willing handmaidens. Until someone high up in the likes of Moonsoon or some other company sees a drop in sales or numerous complaints and has the backbone to speak up it will continue to happen.

Netflix is recommending a show called ‘He’s expecting’.
No thanks

its a Japanese comedy which has nothing to do with people that work for the guardian getting pregnant. Only read the synopsis but the guy is not trans and it also does not explain why or how he managed to get pregnant. It’s billed as a type of comedy/drama that deals with things like sexism.

 

[Platformcrocs]

Am I imagining it or am I seeing more people discussing "MAPs" (p*dos) and trying to rationalise their behaviour?

 

[ButtonDownTheHutches]

Am I imagining it or am I seeing more people discussing "MAPs" (p*dos) and trying to rationalise their behaviour?

The recent ‘Family Sex Show’ being a case in point in terms of erosion of barriers and making child sexuality a topic for public entertainment.

I guarantee that it’s just a matter of time until a faction start lobbying for ‘MAP’ to be taken under the LGBT & the other letters umbrella, as a step towards validation.


I posted the following on a previous thread, but I’m adding it here as it’s relevant as regards the aim of some interested parties in removing age-of-consent laws:

The age of consent issue is definitely a case in point: for example, Stonewall and Mermaids are members of ILGA (The International les, Gay, Bisexual, Trans, and Intersex Association), which purports to "support LGBTI civil society worldwide through advocacy and research projects, and give grassroots movements a voice within international organisations". They require that members support the aims of IGLA.

These aims include the following (Section 14a of their Declaration):


" Eliminate all laws and policies that punish or criminalize same-sex intimacy, gender affirmation, abortion, HIV transmission non-disclosure and exposure, or that limit the exercise of bodily autonomy, including laws limiting legal capacity of adolescents , people with disabilities or other groups to provide consent to sex or sexual and reproductive health services or laws authorizing non-consensual abortion, sterilization, or contraceptive use;"

The WHO defines 'Adolescents' as individuals in the 10-19 years age group.

To repeat, a stated aim of the ILGA (The International les, Gay, Bisexual, Trans, and Intersex Association) is to “Eliminate all laws … limiting legal capacity of [10-19 year olds] … to provide consent to sex”, and this aim is implicitly supported by Stonewall and Mermaids by virtue of their membership.

The member list is here: https://ilga.org/civi_details

 

[Vanelope]

Am I imagining it or am I seeing more people discussing "MAPs" (p*dos) and trying to rationalise their behaviour?

If you are arguing about semantics rather than condemning their existence I think you miss the point rather

 

[VC10]

Netflix is recommending a show called ‘He’s expecting’.
No thanks

Netflix already losing a quarter of its viewers- it'll lose a good few more

 

[bcfc999]

Very tired of seeing TIMs on twitter claiming that same sex attraction is nonsense. I do feel this was the logical conclusion though as soon as the focus started being on gender rather than sex - once they started saying a man could become a woman through gender expression and social transition, it was only a matter of time until same sex attraction became the next target.

Edit to add - FWIW - you may remember my partner from the last thread - she still thinks I have some unkind opinions about trans people but has been shocked to learn she's a bigot. I also showed her a tiktok that came up on my FYP of a TIM saying if lesbians can "take a strap" what's the difference in "taking the real thing" and she was a bit put out by it.

 

[Vee6]

The more I read about The Family sex show the grimmer it gets. What’s happened to safe guarding in this bloody county?

 

[George Agdgdgwngo]

Netflix is recommending a show called ‘He’s expecting’.
No thanks

What a bunch of saps at Netflix

 

[maytoseptember]

What a bunch of saps at Netflix

Actually Stephen Mangan was in a play a few years ago called Birthday which imagined a society in which men could choose to take on the burden of pregnancy. Of course it was supposed to be funny and a bit ludicrous too, but there is a place for these kind of dramas if they’re done right and form a commentary about childbearing and society, rather than fully taking women and female oppression out of the equation.

Edit: I remember now, in the play Mangan’s character chose to have the couple’s second child because his wife was too traumatised to give birth again. So that was interesting.

 

[elliemental]

I used to lurk on the Popbitch forums and there was a legendary poster called Reverend Goatboy. He was from Leeds and used to call JS “Sir Jingle Jangle”. The gist I got from some of the posts I saw was that JS abused corpses in the mortuary. I couldn’t believe it. But they all talked like he was such a reliable source I started to believe it. This was when JS was still alive… early 00s.

I remember Goatboy and the mortuary story, too. Didn't Rev GB say there was proof of Savile's crimes at the mortuary that had been left in the guardianship of a third party and that that proof would not be revealed until after Savile had died? And GB himself died in 2007, several years before JS.