Oh totally. Messed up is a mild word to use. The worst kind of flashy new money people, dripping in designer clothes and taking private jets. It was very telling that Saffron has courted attention in the past by saying she will hire surrogates to do the messy business of pregnancy for her in the future.
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That’s Ralf Little (remember him) on the head list. All for self ID and blocking women on Twitter who disagree.
What a wick. It’s so easy for men like him to agree with this tit show, it has zero effect on him and gets him some woke points. fan.
The only way that the women can tackle this, is to refuse to compete against him. If every other competitor lined up at the pool, waited for the starting gun, then all just walked away en masse, maybe the dickheads in charge will finally sit up and take notice of the female athletes. They need to do this at every single race where he is competing. Every single time. It's not a fair competion, so why should they bother? It's time for direct action, talking about it doesn't do any good, they're just not listening.Another mediocre male athlete decides they're female and entitled to compete in women's sport
Apparently people should be able to compete in the category they're most comfortable with. Nope, sorry. I couldn't give a tit if you feel "comfortable" in the women's category. You're not a woman and have no business in women's sport.
Sorry if this has been discussed before but what are people’s thoughts on Arty Morty? I’m listening to the podcast Gender A Wider Lens (definitely recommend as talks about everything we talk about here). And he is a guest on this episode I’m listening to. Looked him up on Twitter and reading some things about him being a AGP apologist but I can’t find what he’s actually said. He’s coming across well on this podcast though.
I know a lot of radfems have been uncomfortable with Arty for a while, and his (admittedly) drunken comments on Twitter about radfems with bloodlust for AGP deaths were really out of line.
My own thoughts are: The Mess We're In is there to discuss gender ideology and its harms, and as the viewing audience gets bigger, the political spectrum will get wider, and so will everyone's discomfort of who they are holding the line with. The only group I have absolutely no tolerance for in these spaces are p*edophiles, or those with views that would incite hatred to physically harm others although the former group has done a better job to infiltrate TRA movement, which is why we're seeing inappropriate things involving minors such as 'drag children', to deliberately blur the boundaries of what's appropriate and what children have the capacity to understand.
I don't consider Graham, Arty or any men feminists, that's my view, it won't be changed. I don't agree with Arty's views on AGP, he and Graham overlook the harms and destruction it causes to women and families, and the gaslighting of women to accept their partner's AGP, but I've never gone to their videos with the view it's a 'safe space' or feminist discussion platform; they've done a lot to help to bring the concerns about gender ideology to the wider public and it's gaining momentum with more press coverage, the BBC out of Stonewall etc.
I know others would want Arty out of the group or to reassess his sympathy for AGPs, but demanding purity for people in their politics is impossible, and Graham wouldn't kick Arty off the podcast. I do think it runs better when another woman is there alongside Helen, such as Rosie Duffield, Maya, etc.
My own thoughts are: The Mess We're In is there to discuss gender ideology and its harms, and as the viewing audience gets bigger, the political spectrum will get wider, and so will everyone's discomfort of who they are holding the line with. The only group I have absolutely no tolerance for in these spaces are p*edophiles, or those with views that would incite hatred to physically harm others although the former group has done a better job to infiltrate TRA movement, which is why we're seeing inappropriate things involving minors such as 'drag children', to deliberately blur the boundaries of what's appropriate and what children have the capacity to understand.
I don't consider Graham, Arty or any men feminists, that's my view, it won't be changed. I don't agree with Arty's views on AGP, he and Graham overlook the harms and destruction it causes to women and families, and the gaslighting of women to accept their partner's AGP, but I've never gone to their videos with the view it's a 'safe space' or feminist discussion platform; they've done a lot to help to bring the concerns about gender ideology to the wider public and it's gaining momentum with more press coverage, the BBC out of Stonewall etc.
I know others would want Arty out of the group or to reassess his sympathy for AGPs, but demanding purity for people in their politics is impossible, and Graham wouldn't kick Arty off the podcast. I do think it runs better when another woman is there alongside Helen, such as Rosie Duffield, Maya, etc.
There are a lot of radfems who don't want men in this movement as they see it as a womens movement. While it will mostly affect women, I don't believe it belongs to women.
It's always this same nonsense about not feeling safe isn't it? And not being able to cope with their actions having consequences. I will never understand how you can be non binary AND trans as well. It makes no sense at all!
Translation: we bullied and tormented this woman for months and tried to destroy her career but we should be allowed to do that in private!
I agree with you regarding being trans and non binary . Total contradiction as far as I'm concerned.
It's like Ash Sarkar and her "luxury communism"
While I agree that a man cant ever be a real feminist, we do need men on our side. I'm grateful for any men who don't agree with self ID and are vocal about it.
Yup, always complete balls about "trauma" and "not feeling safe". It's their trump card.
I don't really understand what Rosie Kay has allegedly done, other than saying that women have the right to single sex spaces. I hate the word "snowflake" but it's apt. These people think everything is a personal attack and will cry trauma at the slightest thing.
Because she told the non binary person that it’s not a thing
and didn’t use their preferred pronouns. Literal violence.
Those dancers have hopefully screwed their careers. They have hounded out the founder of the company because they didn’t agree with her. Why should she be publicly hounded for her views while they get to be anonymous? I wouldn’t hire any of them in case of making trouble, and as dance is so subjective you can easily not hire someone.
What a bunch of babies. Live in the real world.
I don't agree with cancel culture generally speaking but it's pretty ironic that those trying to perpetuate it are scared that by doing so they will be cancelled 
you made your bed, go sleep in it.
you made your bed, go sleep in it.I also heard that Rosie Kay made the guests at her party “uncomfortable” by giving them a tour of her house, including her child’s bedroom… WTF?
Oh by their warped logic, showing them the kids's bedrooms will have been sexualising the kids and will mean she needs her hard drive checked.
Yes yes yes. I think that makes a great statement. I know in the UFC most the women just refuse to compete against the men that fight as women.
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