I don't think the ice bucket challenge was anything dodge, but yes - those engagement bait posts from random fb pages are dodgy to me, I don't participate.
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I was unceremoniously chucked out of a make up group on FB for refusing to validate an AGP who looked marginally less feminine than Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks combined. I just said why are you all telling lies, he looks ridiculous. Went down like a tit sandwich.
I think this is false equivalence. Men have only ever kept women out of their clubs to 'keep women in their place'. We only want spaces to feel safe from the male gaze, male violence, male oppression and domination. If men want a men only therapy group for example, then I nor the vast majority of women would have any objection.
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The mental summersaults this creates, you are a woman caz you say you are, but you need women to explain how to dress like a woman. But if you were a woman wouldn't you know how to dress like one? And you are a woman because you like dressing like a woman and women's clothes, but you don't know what clothes to buy once you started being your true self. It's making my head spin with how little sense it makes.If he was truly a woman, he wouldn’t need the advice of actual women on how to pass
Also it's not like girls get separate how to dress like a woman classes. We just dress in the way we want to and buy the things we like. Some people did suggest that he just buys what he likes but he didn't seem to understand that.
Oh and the comments about what a "lovely" figure he had made me
I agree but also believe women can and should support each others female owned and run businesses too.
I could never lie and pander to someone with compliments like thatThe mental summersaults this creates, you are a woman caz you say you are, but you need women to explain how to dress like a woman. But if you were a woman wouldn't you know how to dress like one? And you are a woman because you like dressing like a woman and women's clothes, but you don't know what clothes to buy once you started being your true self. It's making my head spin with how little sense it makes.
Also it's not like girls get separate how to dress like a woman classes. We just dress in the way we want to and buy the things we like. Some people did suggest that he just buys what he likes but he didn't seem to understand that.
Oh and the comments about what a "lovely" figure he had made me
why do so many women do it? 
It reminds me of family and friends telling their loved one they will be the next Mariah Carey so they go on X Factor and humiliate themselves by screeching so badly out of tune I can't bring myself to say they sound like an angel when they really don't. Same with men LARP'ing as women.
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I don't praise anyone unless it's genuine. I find it really false and cringe when people give false praise. I'm not saying people should be mean, but say nothing or give constructive criticism.
A trans person is not deserving of praise just because they put on a dress and make up. If they look genuinely good then fine. But most the time they look ridiculous. And men's legs do not look better than women's legs in a skirt, I wish people would stop telling them that.
It's the same when someone really over weight posts themselves in a very unflattering outfit and people pile in to tell them how fantastic they look. Why lie, just say nothing. (I'm not saying you can't look good when you're over weight, just that there is a way to dress to flatter a bigger body)
I think people take value from being kind and making other people feel good. Like self issued brownie points. But to me it's just weird to lie to people, especially when they are fishing for attention.
A trans person is not deserving of praise just because they put on a dress and make up. If they look genuinely good then fine. But most the time they look ridiculous. And men's legs do not look better than women's legs in a skirt, I wish people would stop telling them that.
It's the same when someone really over weight posts themselves in a very unflattering outfit and people pile in to tell them how fantastic they look. Why lie, just say nothing. (I'm not saying you can't look good when you're over weight, just that there is a way to dress to flatter a bigger body)
I think people take value from being kind and making other people feel good. Like self issued brownie points. But to me it's just weird to lie to people, especially when they are fishing for attention.
Ignoring all the other issues, in my opinion this kind of behaviour just isn't fair to trans women (AGP or not). It's not helping them to pretend they're all stunning and beautiful and brave when they might actually look terrible - if it were me I would far rather someone stopped me early on and said I looked like tit and gave me some legitimate feedback instead of pretending I look like Beyonce.
All the trans/passing subreddits are like this, people post photos asking how they're doing and do they pass, and without fail they have 100 comments saying they're incredible when in reality they look like a man that got hit by Homer Simpson's makeup gun. Whatever anyone might think about trans people it's dishonest and unhelpful for everyone to pretend someone looks great when they genuinely want advice about looking better.
I remember reading posts by trans people on MN proclaiming they pass and we wouldn't even know if they were in our facilities.
They probably believe they do because of all that false inline praise.
They probably believe they do because of all that false inline praise.
Stop talking about women, you're making men look bad.
very disappointed witht hat article, I usually really like gal dem
She can get in the bin. I mean sure, women have been oppressed, raped, murdered, sex trafficked into oblivion but let's not forget the poor little men, oh, and of course the most oppressed minority on earth, trans women.
Have you noticed they always have bandy legs?
I had to look "bandy legs" up
Yeah, I know it makes me sound like a dick but a lot of older trans women just don't pass. Sorry to say. I'm friends with one on fb and she constantly posts selfies and women fall over themselves to compliment her, all this nonsense like "you're a gorgeous icon, I'd kill to have your face, your smile is absolutely beautiful, I wish I had your hair" - seriously? They have the standard receding hairline of someone in their mid-40s and underwent facial surgery to look more feminine (...it didn't really work). Stop pandering to this tit.
this is hilarious, where did you find it?
good to know not everything there is awful
Did anyone read this the other day in the Guardian? Shon Faye seems to be trying to write the TRA version of Trans by Joyce and the Guardian published this article about it.
It features an interview with a family whose boy at around 3/4 started being adamant about being a girl. They claim it wasn't based off gender stereotypes because he didn't like dolls but then his transition involved going to buy clothes from the girls section. They also didn't seem to have ever thought to ask why their little boy believed he was a girl or wanted to be seen as a girl. It just raised lots of questions for me.
www.theguardian.com
It features an interview with a family whose boy at around 3/4 started being adamant about being a girl. They claim it wasn't based off gender stereotypes because he didn't like dolls but then his transition involved going to buy clothes from the girls section. They also didn't seem to have ever thought to ask why their little boy believed he was a girl or wanted to be seen as a girl. It just raised lots of questions for me.
‘I feel like it’s quite shaky acceptance’: trans kids and the fight for inclusion
The long read: Trans children and their families still often face suspicion and suppression, but attitudes are changing
www.theguardian.com
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