Gender Discussion #13

[thegirlscout]

I first started following Graham Linehan on Twitter during the Ireland abortion rights campaign - then a trans writer I also followed a while later did a really harsh tweet saying she was amazed she had followers who also followed him and you should unfollow for transphobia and basically said they would start naming people. He has been cancelled by Twitter and a lot of the media for hate speech for sticking up for women. I think the media will start to work it’s way round to praising him eventually / and Rowling. The article by Simon callow in the Times was also important.

He’s also been cancelled by his former in laws. His ex wife’s brother was on Twitter or something and said along the lines that she wasn’t happy about his continual activism against extreme trans ideology.

I feel very sorry for the trans people who are not part of this activism and just want to get on with their own lives without trying to replace women.

This is the thing, I have no problem with trans people like this because I’ve seen a few people I know transition because it was life or death as they were so miserable. They have since blossomed and live their own lives and I find it interesting none of them are activists, not even the odd share of an article on Facebook. I would think a lot of people don’t mind this but it’s the trans people who demand this, demand that and act like they are the most oppressed group of people in the planet who are ruining it for everyone.

 

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

Just need to vent

I'm a member of a woman only hiking group on FB. It says woman only in the title. Im sure you know where this is going...

Yesterday there was a post asking what the stance is on TW. Over 120 fawning comments from woman spouting the TWAW line and how they are happy it's such a good vibes, accepting group. Comments stating that anyone who doesn't agree should leave or that they would leave if anyone objected.

I'm so annoyed about this - we can't have anything that's women only. I appreciate there are much larger issues in this area but I was annoyed as I was hoping to connect with other women who share the same interests. I was looking for FEMALE friends. I'm married to a man and work in an all male environment, I don't need anymore men in my life

I knew everyone here would understand

Did a TIM actually try and join, or are women just alienating other women now for no other reason than to score woke points.

What annoys me, is once upon a time, before APG's took over trans rights, Transexuals would have quietly and respectfully joined things like a woman's hiking groups and no one would have minded.

The APGs have caused so many problems.

 

[Vanelope]

Women are being hit from all sides.

AGP men fetishise about becoming women and demand access to all our spaces and accommodations made to allow them to pretend in the real world.

Young women, especially young gay women, are being targeted by the media that makes them think they are boys and should bind and mutilate themselves.

Mediocre sportsmen are targeting women’s sport so they can win medals and deny women their own victories. A woman will be killed by a trans sportsperson in rugby or combat sport before this is stopped.

men want an easier time in prison and also access to women so they identify as women to get into women’s prisons. See also hospitals.

TiM are being wrongly identified as female when committing crimes, vastly skewing data especially for sexual offences.

TiM as diversity hires in male dominated industries are cutting out women entirely.

Eddie Izzard is apparently the most successful women comedian now - is she shite. All of the successful tours were as a man. If they were done now they wouldn’t be as successful.

The list is endless

Over on Instagram - why is this now how you advertise a dress? The first image seen.

 

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

Don't forget women are being force to participate in male fetishes, waxing their female penisis, sizing their hairy chests up for bras, next they'll be asking for smear tests up their butts.

 

[emmer_moans]

Women are being hit from all sides.

AGP men fetishise about becoming women and demand access to all our spaces and accommodations made to allow them to pretend in the real world.

Young women, especially young gay women, are being targeted by the media that makes them think they are boys and should bind and mutilate themselves.

Mediocre sportsmen are targeting women’s sport so they can win medals and deny women their own victories. A woman will be killed by a trans sportsperson in rugby or combat sport before this is stopped.

men want an easier time in prison and also access to women so they identify as women to get into women’s prisons. See also hospitals.

TiM are being wrongly identified as female when committing crimes, vastly skewing data especially for sexual offences.

TiM as diversity hires in male dominated industries are cutting out women entirely.

Eddie Izzard is apparently the most successful women comedian now - is she shite. All of the successful tours were as a man. If they were done now they wouldn’t be as successful.

The list is endless

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Over on Instagram - why is this now how you advertise a dress? The first image seen.

So true, it’s relentless and coming from so many angles now, is becoming clear there is nothing we have left as a space away from men.

I joined a female choir a few years ago to make some friends in my new town. There was something special about sharing a hobby and some time to just be around fellow women. It was nice to be able to attend it in the evening once a week, after having come from a stressful day at the office, and just sing and support each other. Some women were going thorugh breakups, some going through health issues, some going through family drama, some going through work stress, some learning new skills, new hobbys etc etc. We supported and encouraged one another. It was a space I looked forward to, to take a breath and know I would be understood and supported. After a few years the group sort of fizzled out because of venue change, timing, people getting busy etc but it was really good while it lasted. I am not a man hater by any means, I’m married to one too, but women deserve to have a place/space/group they can go to relate with others without the opposite sex, as much as i’m sure many men appreciate their men only clubs, friends’ nights etc. It’s not about the sterotypical pillow fights or shopping, or stag dos etc. Sometimes, it’s just nice and reassuring to socialise with your own sex. You may disagree, but in a group of women, I feel like I can just “be”. Same for when I used to go to the Ladies only swim night at the local government pool, until they made cutbacks and cut all evening swims. There, not many of the women actually spoke to each other, we tended to just turn up, get in the pool and all swam widths of the pool. It was so relaxing. No drama, no showing off, no splashy males turbo-swimming around you
Sure there will still be “female only” exercise classes and groups etc but when they start policing each other with the TWAW mantras - as another poster has said above - we’re more likely to leave/be ostracised and self-exclude from such spaces

 

[af2394]

This has probably already been discussed recently but I’m getting really sick of women who have had hysterectomies or women with fertility issues being compared to trans women in order to make them feel better about not being able to have periods and bear children… like woman with these issues are comparable in anyway to trans women .. I saw something on Reddit earlier where a transwoman was saying how much they wished they had periods and people were like “not all cis women even get periods” omg just duck off. It is nowhere near the same thing and I find it disgusting to compare it.. Sorry for the rant but i have nowhere else to say this and it’s been bugging me all day

 

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

This has probably already been discussed recently but I’m getting really sick of women who have had hysterectomies or women with fertility issues being compared to trans women in order to make them feel better about not being able to have periods and bear children… like woman with these issues are comparable in anyway to trans women .. I saw something on Reddit earlier where a transwoman was saying how much they wished they had periods and people were like “not all cis women even get periods” omg just duck off. It is nowhere near the same thing and I find it disgusting to compare it.. Sorry for the rant but i have nowhere else to say this and it’s been bugging me all day

I know what you mean, when people say define a woman, and a sensible person says, women have children and breasts and periods, and they think they trump you with not all woman have periods, not all women can have babies.

Just because not all woman can have babies, it doesn't mean men can be women. Like they're just women that have fertility problems.

 

[fmmac]

Did a TIM actually try and join, or are women just alienating other women now for no other reason than to score woke points.

Urgh, I hadn't even considered that. I've gone back and checked out their profile and believe they are TIM, slthough at glance they 'pass'.

It's the attention seeking that annoys me most. To join the group, you have to answer if you're female. They've obviously been vetted by admin but they still post asking if they're allowed despite being approved by admin. A post just to revel in woman adoring them for being 'stunning and brave'.

 

[Satisfying Click]

I belong to an all-women's group and one of the reasons I think groups like these are so important is that we recognise and understand that women are not a protected group and therefore, we have to look out for and look after one another - it's called a sisterhood for a reason.

 

[Notworthy]

This might be unpopular but if we want to keep our spaces then we have to let Men do the same with their men only clubs. I know it's difficult as business is done in these places and that excludes women but the answer to this is to start our own businesses and more and more women are ( real businesses not silly #bossbabe MLM businesses)

 

[rosemarina]

I disagree because the reason women need single-sex spaces is primarily safety and dignity (i.e. because men as a group can't or won't behave decently). The reason men want single-sex spaces is to maintain their own privilege and prevent women getting a fair look-in.

 

[Icing _on_ the_cake]

I think its fine for men to have their own spaces to be able to talk to other men about stuff. The problem as said is where men's groups haven't really been about socialising but have really been about nepotism (like the masons).

 

[maytoseptember]

Yeah, there’s a difference between women’s spaces excluding men (for safety, privacy etc) and men’s spaces excluding women (because patriarchy).

 

[Icing _on_ the_cake]

One thing I saw that annoyed me is that when mosques reopened with pandemic measures, they prioritised only the mens worship. The article I read reporting it had male Muslim leaders saying 'well the women can worship at home ' and I was shouting at my phone going 'so can the men!' Keep the women isolated in their houses while the men meet and do business.

 

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

I agree that women need safe spaces away from men for safety as well as bonding, and men typically want spaces away from women so they can do business and act sexist.

But, part of the reason we don't get backing from men is because we do things like campaign to end male spaces while asking for female spaces.

So I think men kinda have to be allowed their own spaces too. We just need rules in place to stop men giving jobs to their golf mates or whatever, which I know is easier said than done.

 

[petitspois]

I'm in a women's style group on FB and a trans woman has joined. She posts frequently and, frankly, looks like a miner wearing a wig but all the comments are 'love your bravery' 'gorgeous' and so on. She makes comments about having a blonde moment and needing chocolate like she's a parody of a woman, it really gets on my nerves.

 

[Vanelope]

When these trans women have blonde moments at work and get emotional and ‘hormonal’ and generally do all the things women are mocked and derided for will the scream discrimination and transphobia?

course they will. They don’t actually have the courage or stamina to put with what women deal with every day from men. They want to be part of an oppressed group so much until they get passed over for promotion in favour of a man, forgetting they are standing in the way of women at the time.

 

[Brigitjonesbuttcheek]

I'm on a FB clothes shopping group and a man posted with a picture saying he's just come out as trans and could we help with how to dress as a woman, what would flatter ect.

He got so much applause and congratulations. I felt like asking him how come he knows he's a woman but he needs actual women to tell him how to look like one. I also wanted to say duck off we're not here to service you and that is not what this page is for. But of course I said nothing otherwise I'd be labled a bigot and trabsphob.

For clarity the group is mainly women but it's not exclusively for women, and its to show what youve bought in a specific shop and to review products. It's not really for fashion advice.

 

[MooBelle]

I TOTALLY agree.

Tin foil hat time but it’s like those “my parents think I’m ugly, share this pic to show I am not” or those viral messages that go around WhatsApp about xyz and you need to do xyz to mitigate it. I genuinely believe this is an algorithm of some kind tracking human behaviour. There is a definite push towards group think going on at the moment.

Tinfoil hat back off.

No tin foil hat needed, this is actually happening!
There is a common opinion that the Facebook 'quizzes' that go around are a scam to collect people's pin numbers and passwords and they are sort of right.
It is more likely that it is to condition you to let down your guard and get used to volunteering information.
Why would anyone want to know how many different foods I won't eat? Or how many tattoos I have? Or if I've ever been skydiving?

 

[AlanBanan]

I felt like asking him how come he knows he's a woman but he needs actual women to tell him how to look like one.

If he was truly a woman, he wouldn’t need the advice of actual women on how to pass