Gender Discussion #111

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No man could resist these gorgeous goddesses who obviously have better breasts than any man alive has ever encountered. Look at them, they're the Three Graces made flesh.
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I'll quit while I'm behind. In my absence, please remember when any man in your life returns from Thailand to ask him about his and his travel companion's views on ladyboys. Brace yourself, though, for it may shatter your image of the man. Oh and don't allow your straight sons to go to Thailand obviously. The serpent is waiting for them in the garden of Eden, ready to tempt them with 2 melons and an adam's apple.
Are you being serious? Thailand is also full of stunning women- but you’re saying that all men go there for the ladyboys?
 
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Ugh! Well. that all took a bull, sexist turn for the worse.
The sexual frustration and sadness was palpable. Small 🍤.
 
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If he can't accurately pick out which people are male and which people are female then any statement that he would never go near a trans woman strains credulity. My entire point is, as maytoseptember summarised so succinctly, men are simple creatures, man see booby and man go boing. Men do not have some nuanced take on the width of shoulders relative to the sharpness of the jaw. Of course, if you ask a straight man, "would you have sex with a man dressed as a woman?" he would say ew no, I'm not gay but send him off to Thailand, get a beer in him and see what happens when he encounters a ladyboy who has better bits than he has ever encountered before. The horny man does not consider.

Katie Price, she is more artificial than even the most surgeried transwoman, yet so many men (inexplicably) find Katie Price attractive, go to any pub in England and the most masculine men would be falling over themselves to bag Katie Price. What's the difference between Katie Price and a post-op trans woman? I recall seeing an article that said she had a new tina put in, although typing that out, it sounds like I got tricked by a fake headline.

A better example is Sister Hong. Look at pictures of Sister Hong (although be warned, it is horrifying): he is so obviously a man that it is beyond comprehension that any human could think that he is a woman. And yet, he tricked thousands of men into having sex with him and bringing him gifts. I mean, even I, someone banging the drum of the depravity of man, cannot understand how any person had sex with Sister Hong, that's a line even I wouldn't cross. Many of the men were attractive, married, they had no conceivable reason to fall for the obvious scam, and yet they did, because we, men, are inexplicable. I don't recommend it but there are leaked videos from Sister Hong's escapades, it ain't pretty.

Again, I'm not arguing that trans women look like women and therefore should be treated like women by women. I am only saying that straight men are a lot less discerning than you think and "ew no I would never have sex with a trans woman" says nothing of how we would act if there was a passing trans woman in front of us trying to have sex with us (even if they were obviously not passing to you, a woman with a brain).
photographs of trans people are usually doctored/ posed/ photoshopped etc.
In real life, the nuances and bodily tell-tales , voice, build , the walk etc & 101 other ways will most probably - naturally- tell the Woman ( or the Man) that this particular person isnt quite who they purport to be. Very many are very bloody obvious.
 
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Although I do have to admit the guy is the spitting image of a bloke from Preston I used to date in the late 1980’s. He was known as ‘Pink Dave’ because he quite often used to dye his hair pink. One of my friends used to say he looked a bit like the news reader Cecil Parkinson in a wig, which was a bit mean really as he was a nice lad.
 
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I see we are having a game of ‘Transgender Top Trumps’ again. It’s been a while.
Last time we were treated to photos of wispy bearded ‘transmen’ who ‘you’d never be able to tell’ were actually women.
Like last time, we shouldn’t have to point out that posed and filtered photos are not the same as being in the physical presence of a lumbering great specimen in lipstick and a frock but here we are.
I'm embarrassed that I fell for his bait and engaged in good faith. Lesson learnt.

Although he does have a point in that men aren't as good as sussing out other men as we are. They don't need to be. Most women hearing footsteps behind her will have an inkling of whether that person is male or female. And a quick glance will generally be more than enough to confirm one way or another. It's part of our survival kit.
 
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Finally the chatgp noise has gone, im all for discussion and debate, but not fakey intros to infiltrate - spotted him a mile away.

Anyhow, hope you've canx your thai takeaways -those pad thais are dangerously tempting
 
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I'm embarrassed that I fell for his bait and engaged in good faith. Lesson learnt.
Yeah me too. duck's sake.
It didn't take very long to get to "your husband's would all duck a man if he got the chance" did it? Probably because we're all hideous middle aged hags (with apologies to the younger beautiful hags on here)
 
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I really couldn’t care less if there are some men so desperate to have sex with anyone that they would go with a TIM. If they find them as appealing or even more so than actual real women, then that’s up to them. If married men are straying with them, then they are cheats.

What I care about is women’s rights. The right to single sex spaces and activities, women’s sports being for women, truthful crime reporting and not having “she” and “her” used when describing the violent actions of a man. To not have gender identity ideology forced on me. Feelings and out dated stereotypes do not over rule biological reality for me.

It’s the typical TRA argument isn’t it. TIM who “pass” (and how can you tell from a photo anyway, especially in this day and age of digital alterations of pictures) are as good as us. Better even! I’ve seen so many of them claim this because they dress sexier, do their make up better, surgically enhanced to appeal to the male gaze more. “I’m more woman than you because men look at me!” And that’s what it comes down to. I really don’t care about looks, sex appeal or think some great hulking bloke is more woman than me because he wears stilettos and fishnets and plasters his face in make up and I do none of these things. The male gaze means nothing to me ( in fact I hate it) and I think a lot of women feel the same. Being a woman is not looking a certain way or a race of who gets the most male attention. It’s a biological reality. A fact. We don’t want our hard won rights given away.
 
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I'm embarrassed that I fell for his bait and engaged in good faith. Lesson learnt.
We’ve all been there. I’ve just seen the same pattern play out too many times to not have good spidey senses. It was the opener that said “please educate me terfs, because I have grown up surrounded by trans women” that got me. Because… as if.

I’d still love to know why the gotcha gallery supposedly doesn’t feature a single TIM (also, were they all celebs or were some of them non celebs with their pics stolen off SM? *shudder*) and why that was supposed to prove a point? Were we supposed to pick out all the women with strong jaws and say “obvious loon”?
 
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Here’s me making a complete list of all the ways I want men to tell me how I should feel about women’s rights, and how ackshually, it’s a lot more nuanced than I’m aware of.

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It’s very comprehensive.
 
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I dont know who those people are, I just scanned it quickly and noticed Rumer.
In my defence, the amount of times I've seen a loon photoshopped to look feminine makes me wary, Take Lia whatever his name is, the swimmer and some other athlete calling himself Emma filtered to high heaven so the unsuspecting public think that they look like a lass.
My husband is busy watching lionesses terrorising people, he's not interested in tricks and bull.
My husband is busy watching lionesses terrorising people,

Oh - I think I'd get on with your husband. I love those "Ten Most Gruesome and Bloody Deaths Of People Who Poked A Crocodile With A Stick" type videos ("Everybody told them "Don't be so silly", but they just laughed and did it again <foortage of random crocodiles biting lumps out of wildebeest and doing death rolls etc>. Bits of their chewed up bodies were found four days later in an advanced state of dismemberment, maceration and decay")

I spend far too much time being really pleased when the result is "It was their own fault. The crocodiles/ leopards/ great white sharks/ anacondas/polar bears were just being crocodiles/ leopards/ great white sharks/ anacondas/polar bears and so the animal was not destroyed".
 
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