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I'm starting a new job soon in an industry where pronouns in emails are likely to be standard. I don't want to be seen as a trouble maker immediately so if asked to do it I'll decline saying it forces those who may not be 'out' to 'out themselves'. Is there anything I can do if I'm asked to wear a rainbow lanyard or similar?
My partner had an issue with this, he works for the local council. He put “bloke/dude” as his pronouns as a bit of fun and got hauled in to speak to management.
He just leaves it blank now.
They won’t budge on the rainbow lanyards though, he hates it. 🙁
 
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As a decades-long devotee of The Rocky Horror Picture Show, I’m somewhat delighted to discover that apparently it’s rampantly transphobic 😁



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I heard a very apt term today for the people this thread talks about - alphabet mafia.

Because I don't think this is about anyone having an issue with LGB and many who advocate for women's safety aren't even saying people should not be trans.

It's a personality type who is a deranged, violent thug and modern technology connected and empowered them.

The galling/scary part is all the authorities and organisations being unable to see what is in front of them so they enable it all. Why has that happened?
 
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Love RHPS, Tim Curry in this just shows that confidence is sexy. Some of the trans community don't understand that there are some men who just want to wear women's clothes not "become" a woman...
I’ve always loved the fact that Frank N’Furter knows full well that he’s a dude with a dress-up fetish and doesn’t pretend to be anything he’s not - I guess that why they hate it so much 😁
 
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Has anyone else seen Owen Jones' rather....kinetic....performance on Piers Morgan the other day on the trans debate?

I think it's time to ask whether it's been snowing in North London. Or wherever Jones live, I presume it's North London because he's that type.
 
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Harry Potter is violently transphobic? Wild. Not surprised that RHPS isn’t meeting the purity test these days. They have no idea how revolutionary it was.

The Year Zero ideologues never fail to astonish me with their idiocy and hypocrisy. I was shouting at a podcast the other day because it was attempting to grapple with a notorious trans identified male from the 70s - the subject was the movie Dog Day Afternoon. In that, the main character robs a bank, ostensibly to get money to pay for his lover’s sex change surgery. Now both of those men were entirely clear that they were in a gay relationship, and the TIM was clear that he was a man for most of the time they were together, and that he was latterly a transexual but this never wholly over rode his identification as a gay man. But the hosts just couldn’t bring themselves to do anything but overlay this with modern day sensibilities. They referred to the man as “she” throughout, that he was “transgender”, that he wanted “gender confirmation surgery” Etc. They barely contained their bafflement at how benighted they thought attitudes were “back then”.

I was fizzing. Firstly: most people were broadly “live and let live”, and people with different lifestyles and beliefs may have been curiosities but they weren’t being routinely chased down the street by pitchfork wielding mobs either. Secondly: your modern sensibilities are just one way of perceiving and explaining the world and other people in other times and places may well understand and perceive themselves very differently. But that doesn’t make them “wrong” and it’s hugely disrespectful to decide that your version of them is more truthful than their own, and inflict it on them posthumously. I love these podcasters but can’t stand this aspect. It’s so galling when the “kind” thing to do is supposed to be “refer to people and treat them according to how they wish to be referred to“ - not if it doesn’t fit, eh?

It’s like the posthumous re-writing of Marsha P Johnston and the stonewall riots. He was a gay man and never thought of himself as anything else and I can only imagine the horror he’d have felt at his posthumous recreation as a stunning trans woman icon.
 
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Harry Potter is violently transphobic? Wild. Not surprised that RHPS isn’t meeting the purity test these days. They have no idea how revolutionary it was.

The Year Zero ideologues never fail to astonish me with their idiocy and hypocrisy. I was shouting at a podcast the other day because it was attempting to grapple with a notorious trans identified male from the 70s - the subject was the movie Dog Day Afternoon. In that, the main character robs a bank, ostensibly to get money to pay for his lover’s sex change surgery. Now both of those men were entirely clear that they were in a gay relationship, and the TIM was clear that he was a man for most of the time they were together, and that he was latterly a transexual but this never wholly over rode his identification as a gay man. But the hosts just couldn’t bring themselves to do anything but overlay this with modern day sensibilities. They referred to the man as “she” throughout, that he was “transgender”, that he wanted “gender confirmation surgery” Etc. They barely contained their bafflement at how benighted they thought attitudes were “back then”.

I was fizzing. Firstly: most people were broadly “live and let live”, and people with different lifestyles and beliefs may have been curiosities but they weren’t being routinely chased down the street by pitchfork wielding mobs either. Secondly: your modern sensibilities are just one way of perceiving and explaining the world and other people in other times and places may well understand and perceive themselves very differently. But that doesn’t make them “wrong” and it’s hugely disrespectful to decide that your version of them is more truthful than their own, and inflict it on them posthumously. I love these podcasters but can’t stand this aspect. It’s so galling when the “kind” thing to do is supposed to be “refer to people and treat them according to how they wish to be referred to“ - not if it doesn’t fit, eh?

It’s like the posthumous re-writing of Marsha P Johnston and the stonewall riots. He was a gay man and never thought of himself as anything else and I can only imagine the horror he’d have felt at his posthumous recreation as a stunning trans woman icon.
Brilliant post.

Secondly: your modern sensibilities are just one way of perceiving and explaining the world and other people in other times and places may well understand and perceive themselves very differently.

History is a well of human experience from which we need to drink constantly in order to understand ourselves and how we create the future. People who see time as a linear progression by which everything that is past is regressive and needs dismantling, are not only staggeringly dumb but also seriously dangerous.

It’s like the posthumous re-writing of Marsha P Johnston and the stonewall riots. He was a gay man and never thought of himself as anything else and I can only imagine the horror he’d have felt at his posthumous recreation as a stunning trans woman icon.

the other fact that gets left out of Stonewall Riots revisionist history is that the reason police raided it in the first place was because there were ongoing allegations of what was then known as 'child prostitution' there or, as we would say today, CSA and child trafficking.
 
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