Gender Discussion #109

[ButtonDownTheHutches]

Bar the top one (which is about Ant McP and e-bikes), the most-liked posts in the last 24 hrs are ALL those in support of Camilla meeting with JKR / JKR's defence of single-sex spaces

 

[DoraMaar]

 

[Dinate]

We are all well invested in our TERFy knowledge on this thread but I think many pro-trans posts are from people who don't know what they're talking about - they have no clue about Bash Back and deplorable weirdos like 'Heather' Herbert, they are unaware of death threats TRAs issue to women, the Darlington nurses, the high incidence of SA/CSA by TIMs etc etc.

Many people's total frame of reference for TIMs is Hayley Cropper and 'we just want to pee' - they haven't actually got a clue what is going on and are speaking from a position of ignorance.

I think that another huge problem is that the largest growth in the trans group is young girls/women thinking that they're either trans or NB. So, for many people, the only trans people they know personally or are properly aware of, are female. This means that they don't see or understand any of the issues that you've mentioned in your post.

Also, the constant talk of, and focus on, toilets doesn't help. They don't connect the dots to see that if you let men identify into using toilets, they will then also be in CRs, hospital wards, providing intimate care to women, strip-searching women, be in women's prisons, play in women's sports etc.

We really struggled with raising awareness of these more important issues because of the success of 'no debate'; 'be kind' and the total capture of institutions such as the BBC and so many public bodies including the NHS and the police. We completely lost that battle and it's still hindering our progress unfortunately.

Even now, people aren't aware of the irreversible harms that PB and cross-sex hormones do. Nor do they understand that it's young girls mainly who are privately sourcing these dangerous drugs. They think it's all fairly harmless. They'll only know and understand when, inevitably, the law suits start. And sadly, the damage will have been done to countless confused young people.

The whole thing is incredibly depressing tbh. I honestly don't know how I'd cope without you guys and my local WRN.

But it's great to see new people on the thread and to have the common sense posts receiving so many upvotes.

 

[DoraMaar]

 

[Metropolis]

Tatchell is one of the most repulsive c*nts to have walked the earth gloating over the murder of an elderly woman.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

Good!

It looked as though he was going to get away without any repercussions for his vile, hate-filled comments.

I hope he loses his job - he brings the university into disrepute IMO - but even if he only gets the proverbial slap on the wrist, this is so much more than what has happened before. A step in the right direction.

 

[BettyRizzo]

I used to frequent this thread a while ago, but I had to have some time off for my mental wellbeing - I find it so incredibly hard to wrap my head around the trans ideology that has taken over the world.
But seeing the Darlington Nurses victory has given me a bit of hope...

 

[MaineCoonMama]

Saw couple walking in street last week, looked Pakistani/Bangladeshi. Male was striding up street, female (covered up) was walking at least ten feet behind him.

I helped my friend's mum out with a charity garage sale a few years ago, her next door neighbour wasn't allowed to just pop over and browse without a male so she had to wait until her 10 year old son got home.
It's not my business how other people live but what kind of a life is that?

 

[maytoseptember]

Badenoch and the Conservatives being portrayed as the party that will sort this nonsense out and the party of women is laughable, this wave of nonsense came through under Tory rule and they did fuck all to protect us then!

Badenoch has always been staunchly against this (meeting Keira Bell when she was women and equalities minister, against the advice of civil servants IIRC) even if the Tories have been weak on the issue.

 

[TheMiceInTheShed]

I would be shocked if it didn't emerge that there is a trans person somewhere in Hales family. I'm glad shes no longer a Judge, she comes across like an American Supreme Court judge whos able to twist the law whatever way suits their ideology rather than looking at it objectively.

Trans row: Former Supreme Court judge who denied biological sex exist…

archived 30 Jun 2026 09:01:19 UTC

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Also if biological sex doesn't exist then why on earth is it any achievement that she was the first female President of the Supreme Court?

Also - if biological sex doesn't exist, what do people think they are transitioning from and to? There is no sex. So what does "transition" mean? How can someone "transition"? Why would they want to? What difference would it make?

 

[Rowling]

Love that Jo is so supportive of gay men like she is of women

 

[emmer_moans]

That drives me mental.

And the layers of clothing are usually clearly polyester too makes me feel ill just thinking about it. I live in a multicultural city so see this a lot. The other day a lady was wearing the full outfit and her dress layer covered trousers which poked out at ankle length, which looked to be thick material. Meanwhile I was swooning from the heat on the way back from the shop in my loose white cotton blouse.




And influencer (rich) female muslims on Instagram often say "but it's my choice"....is it though, when you have your whole family and culture with expectations feeding into your decision and non compliance will cause you having to justify/explain if you don't dress that way? That's a lot of peer pressure.

The message it sends girls seeing their mum dressing head to toe in black polyester in the summmer

 

[i'm.just.highly.selective]

I think Shania Twain might have something to answer for here...

 

[petitspois]

Peter Tatchell’s hard drive surely needs looking at. The man is odious.

 

[Dinate]

Labour really are the misogynistic party: an adviser to Andy 'eyelashes' Burnham claiming that Burnham is basically the first Labour female PM apart from his sex.... No wonder many of them, including possibly Burnham himself, think TWAW. They don't know what a woman is and are seeped in retrogressive stereotypes

 

[NeverEnough]

So why does he want to join a group where he’s clearly not welcome and clearly will be uncomfortable with their policies?

Is it because he wants to join to try to gaslight, manipulate and guilt trip the women into sex? Because that’s very predatory male behaviour.

 

[Weebles Wobble]

My partner and I have felt genuinely sorry when politicians, union leaders and other high-profile people have died, despite disagreeing with their political views.

I will never understand people celebrating the death of others.

The fact that it now appears to be murder makes the gloating even harder to stomach.

 

[Funny_bunny]

The brilliant JKR. Anyone putting the feelings of TIM before the female victims of SA and shaming those women for wanting a man free space is indeed cruel.

 

[soph30]

So…. the opposite of men is people with vaginas. Cool Metro

 

[BettyRizzo]

I need to vent, and I also need some advice...it's long, sorry.

My granddaughter was staying with us over the weekend. She's 16, ADHD, strongly suspected to be autistic (not had a formal autism assessment yet, but the school think she is, as does her GP, along with her family). She is extremely suggestible, she will fixate on something or someone, and this will occupy most of her waking thoughts. She's a lovely kid, a very talented artist but she does struggle with "fitting-in" and with the normal teenage social relationships, which as we all know, can be a minefield at the best of times.
She's insisted that she is "bisexual" for ages, although most of her crushes are men (for context, her mum is gay and has a long-term partner) and tend to be middle-aged men. She has also had fixations on teachers, although, like all of her crushes, these come and go. She has a history of risky behaviour, she's not allowed a smartphone because she's been caught messaging boys/men and sending them photos etc, she just doesn't seem to grasp the consequences of such behaviour.

We've been out at the weekend and she's been talking non-stop about this teaching assistant at school. About how he's so lovely and caring, about how he's having trouble with his landlord and is having to move, about how he likes this band or that film, on and on. Eventually, she discloses that "Sir" is a TIF. No issue with that, I try to keep my more extreme views to myself, but I said, "Oh, that's a bit sad, those people often have a difficult life, and some mental health issues, I hope it works out ok for him" (because I'm not going to pretend that it's a normal thing!)
As the day goes on, she tells me how "Sir" has had top surgery (me: "you mean a double masectomy") but isn't planning to have bottom surgery because he doesn't want a "micropenis". She then helpfully informed me that the hormones help the clitotis to grow into a penis but it isn't very big. I did give her a bit more info about "bottom surgery" and how it's almost always unsuccessful, with hideous complications, but she then started on about how "most transmen use packers".

I don't know if it's just me, but I'm absolutely outraged that a TA in a position of authority is talking about her medical transition to suggestible teenage girls who are supposedly under her care. I've spoken to her mum, who is horrified and has disclosed that my granddaughter has been talking about wanting a binder and "wants to be a boy". This has come up a few times over the years, she has a "trans" friend, who looks exactly like she did before she was trans, and almost every girl in her school identifies as NB or one of the other rainbow letters, we had a long talk a whole back about how being a girl sucks but that it gets better and you just learn to deal with it, because women don't have a choice, etc.

Her mum isn't going to let any of this nonsense take hold if she can possibly help it, but we want this TA to be told to keep her trap shut. Her pupils do not need to know her medical history, nor do they need indoctrination into the trans cause. I'm honestly flabbergasted that a TA would even consider speaking about this, but when I said this to GD, she said it's a "trust thing", and that the teacher tells you about her issues so that you can tell her about yours. This sounds quite sinister to me, but what do I know?

We need to be careful, my GD can be a liar. However, this TA has written articles all over the "queer" internet about her trans journey, but I can't find anything which details her surgery, just vague stuff about how "freeing" it was, etc, etc. We're pretty sure that she is talking to young girls about it, but we're not sure how to raise concerns without coming across as troublemakers. (I personally don't give a shit, but my daughter has enough judgement as a lesbian single parent of a "difficult" kid)
I know that the education sector is generally in thrall to the holy grail of trans, but I don't feel that any teacher should be talking to pupils about their medical conditions anyway, imagine a male teacher telling teenage girls about his prostate surgery, or a woman telling 12 year old boys about her smear test...they don't need to know!!
Not really sure where to go from here...

ANY adult talking about their genitals to a child is a huge red flag - wtf is the world coming to