It’s likely to be 68 depending on when you retire. I agree about peaceful strikes.
You’re making it really difficult for me not to make an Alonso joke here.Funfact: the only group eligible for early pension here in Norway are conductors of trains, because of the hard work and shoveling of coal*
*we haven't used coal for decades in our trains
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This is so damn depressing, it’s like the world is regressing. Every single government just seems to be coming up with ways to bring in laws nobody wants. What happened to democracyI put it in a spoiler so people can scroll past it if they want
So i will try to keep it simple (because i don't even understand everything myself). But basically the president wants people to work until they are 64 years old before retiring (currently it's 62). And it doesn't really take into account at what age they started to work. Meaning that some will have to work longer than other to have their pension. And if you want to retire earlier than this then your pension will be reduced. So this is what started the strikes.
But it is something that happened yesterday that turns the situation into chaos.
Normally when the president and his prime minister want to pass a new law, it has to be discussed by the deputies in the assembly and they can propose modifications to the text if they want before actually voting in favor or against the new law. And yesterday, they shoud have voted it. But the prime minister realized that there won't be enough deputies in favor of the law and it will be rejected, so she used an article of the Constitution which allows her to just skip the vote in the assembly. And the thing is that this is not the first time President Macron and his différent prime ministers used it. Every time he want to pass a controversial new law he does this, and imo (and in a lot of people view) it is really not democratical.
thanks for an explanation BlaBla!I put it in a spoiler so people can scroll past it if they want
So i will try to keep it simple (because i don't even understand everything myself). But basically the president wants people to work until they are 64 years old before retiring (currently it's 62). And it doesn't really take into account at what age they started to work. Meaning that some will have to work longer than other to have their pension. And if you want to retire earlier than this then your pension will be reduced. So this is what started the strikes.
But it is something that happened yesterday that turns the situation into chaos.
Normally when the president and his prime minister want to pass a new law, it has to be discussed by the deputies in the assembly and they can propose modifications to the text if they want before actually voting in favor or against the new law. And yesterday, they shoud have voted it. But the prime minister realized that there won't be enough deputies in favor of the law and it will be rejected, so she used an article of the Constitution which allows her to just skip the vote in the assembly. And the thing is that this is not the first time President Macron and his différent prime ministers used it. Every time he want to pass a controversial new law he does this, and imo (and in a lot of people view) it is really not democratical.
I don't know when she is supposed to come but if it is in the next 2 weeks i would advise her to cancel it. More than just the violence, her expérience will be ruined i think. There are trash everywhere (and the rats that come with it, and no there are not as cute as in ratatouille) because the workers are also on strike. Metro/bus/trains are also a bit of a nightmare.
Oh please, amuse me with an Alonso joke
I totally get why you all are rioting for it, I mean, democracy is what keeps our countries going and strong. I support them all for fighting for their rights to a vote. I'm just not applauding the way it's done.I put it in a spoiler so people can scroll past it if they want
So i will try to keep it simple (because i don't even understand everything myself). But basically the president wants people to work until they are 64 years old before retiring (currently it's 62). And it doesn't really take into account at what age they started to work. Meaning that some will have to work longer than other to have their pension. And if you want to retire earlier than this then your pension will be reduced. So this is what started the strikes.
But it is something that happened yesterday that turns the situation into chaos.
Normally when the president and his prime minister want to pass a new law, it has to be discussed by the deputies in the assembly and they can propose modifications to the text if they want before actually voting in favor or against the new law. And yesterday, they shoud have voted it. But the prime minister realized that there won't be enough deputies in favor of the law and it will be rejected, so she used an article of the Constitution which allows her to just skip the vote in the assembly. And the thing is that this is not the first time President Macron and his différent prime ministers used it. Every time he want to pass a controversial new law he does this, and imo (and in a lot of people view) it is really not democratical.
That’s because you’re lucky enough to live in a wonderful country. Take me. Now. Please. I insistOh please, amuse me with an Alonso joke
I totally get why you all are rioting for it, I mean, democracy is what keeps our countries going and strong. I support them all for fighting for their rights to a vote. I'm just not applauding the way it's done.
And I'm also happy you're nowhere neat it. Bla
I guess the reason why I don't get why they are protesting like this is because I'm not used to it
Thanks so much Bla. I hope you haven’t got friends and family in Paris? It looks so scary and stay safe.
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over my northern lights lighting up my drivewayThat’s because you’re lucky enough to live in a wonderful country. Take me. Now. Please. I insist
I'd move to Iceland if I had the opportunity Well i don't know how it works in Norway but this is not only about the age. But here each month there is a bit of your salary that goes into the retirement pension system (which will pay your pension when you will retire) and you have to pay this for at least 43 years to have a full pension. For example, i started working at 25 so i will only be allowed to retire at 68. If i want to retire earlier i won't have my full pension every month. And if the law was just about that i would be fine with it because i started working later so i retire later, it's logic. But if you take someone who started working at 18 will have to leave at 64 meaning you will have to work 46 years instead of 43 with very little benefits because your pension won't be much higher.
No we are all in the middle of the cowsThanks so much Bla. I hope you haven’t got friends and family in Paris? It looks so scary and stay safe.
or in little towns where things aren't bad at the moment I've just hit 20000 words on the first book.pierre needs to come and collect his man tbh (lando can obviously come too)
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the “i was also there” could mean ANYTHING! tell the whole truth charles!!!!
stephen, get working
That’s beautiful!!I'm sorry, I can't hear you over my northern lights lighting up my driveway
I also meant what I said, there's always a room for you
All I'm saying is: oil money makes us having the best country ever, so we're not that good
oh, Alex, innocent Alex and an OnlyFans idea?On a lighter note before going to bed have Alex thinking George should start an Onlyfans
Oh my god, they are coming for me!On a lighter note before going to bed have Alex thinking George should start an Onlyfans
Alex would have a kinky as duck OnlyFans as well.oh, Alex, innocent Alex and an OnlyFans idea?
Boy, the most silent ones are the most surprising aren't they?
Our system is basically what you described, if i remember correct it's about 2.5% of my monthly salary going to the pensions fund, hence why they're also trying to get us to save for our pension ourself, because 25NOK a month (€2.5) isn't much. And when we retire some of us will be low income pensioners, meaning its about €1800/2000 (as of now) we get from the State to live on.
) and I'm just not used to the way of protesting that we saw in the posts, that's all, and as I said: I fully support you all in the right for a democratic process, that's what all of our countries are built upon (thank you for the French revolotion btw, it helped us get out own Constitution).This was my view the other night, taken two meteres away from my house and towards the road
it was so strong it was visible all the way to Scotland 
The northern lights have been visible on our North coast quite a few times over the last few weeks. It’s only 20-30 mins from me but it’s too late for me and I’m always in bedThis was my view the other night, taken two meteres away from my house and towards the road
And because I ended up talking politics, here are some pics as a redemtion:
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