EU Elections

[fireflies]

I totally get why a lot of people voted for the Brexit party, as they voted with the thought they would then deliver Brexit, but I still can't imagine voting to put Farage in a position of power. I'm sure he was trying to get Brexit to happen as quickly as possible instead of trying to get the best deal (which as much as I dislike May as well, she seemed to be trying to do), which imo could be catastrophic.

But Nigel is a MEP for next 6months.

A big issue here is we had referendum before Europe on the UK voting system but it was badly done something lib dems pushed for, wasemt explained properly to voters and low turn out.
It was a vote on proportional representation instead of first past the post.
Sounds dry and boring.

Can't remember which general election got UKIP lots if votes possibly 1 before last one may called.
But despite UKIP getting a large %vote think they had 1 MP in parliament.
First past post makes it very difficult for small or minority parties to gain seats in UK parliament..
I believe mep European parliament elections used a version of proportional representation which is why a 6 week old brexit party scooped up so many seats and so much of the vote.
They have no manifesto to attempt to make gains in a general election so not sure how much power they yield.
Farrage and UKIP at that time pushed Cameron into calling a referendum on Europe although last time we were asked were 1970s and the European union has change a lot since then so maybe it's as right we had a vote.

Some remainders think we should have 2nd referendum because they unhappy with the result and hope older leave voters who voted leave have died and younger new voters will be more likely vote remain.
That's hardly democratic keep asking same question until we get right answer.
At end if day leave won by 2% in the referendum 52% voted leave.

 

[String Man]

I personally think when we get to a point where we start belittling people for the way they voted, you are going to end up with more issues that before.

Bit late for that, it's what we've been experiencing ever since the bloody referendum.

 

[Departed member 294]

If there's a General Election before the leave date, I can't really see Farage wanting to be Prime Minister and everything that entails tbh, it just seems like he wants to get out of Europe no matter what and doesn't care about the consequences (or party policies beyond Brexit by the sound of it). He'll be laughing all the way to the bank along with the likes of Reece-Mogg, etc, whilst the rest of us plebs get screwed. I think he did have a point when he said certain countries shouldn't have joined the Euro currency ( I'm glad we didn't either) but not much else. I'll never forget that disgusting poster he unveiled; it happened to be not long before poor Jo Cox was murdered. It may have been a coincidence but I'd hate to think it emboldened some nutjob to go ahead with it. It was very irresponsible of him to say he'd pick up his rifle if Brexit doesn't go ahead, he must know some people would hang on to his every word.

I fell into the trap of thinking the EU was bombarding us with all these rules and regulations but it's only for our good at the end of the day imo. They don't implement any rules without our go-ahead and we're the ones who came out with a lot of the Health & Safety stuff apparently.


It never made sense to me why Brits living or working in other EU countries weren't eligible to vote in the 2016 referendum, considering this would've had a direct impact on their lives. I reckon it would've swung the vote and we wouldn't be in this mess. It saddens me to hear so many medical and care home professionals understandably no longer feel welcome and have left the UK. Let's hope that £350M on the side of that bus wasn't all lies.

They were eligible to vote, with the exception if you had been away from the UK for more than 15 years.

 

[onlyhereforthetea]

Still seems a bit quick to have counted so many votes compared to a GE, even though there's less. Maybe they started counting early evening?

Tory's heading towards 5th place and still a very divided country. It's just going towards a no deal now if no one can decide.

Small turnouts is also a factor. Only 27% of eligible people voted in my area, which is a much smaller proportion than in a general election.

 

[Departed member 294]

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[fireflies]

I think anyone who thinks it’s a victory for anti Brexit is kidding themselves tbh and the adding up the parties thing is spin, as it excludes tribal votes for LibDems, Conservative who are a self declared Brexit party and the section of Lab who face towards Brexit. There was more motivation for remainers to vote who want to be in the EU, than Brexiteers who don’t. Those percentage tables are comparing No Deal with remain. If it goes to second referendum the true indication is we will vote leave again.

I don't think as you say its so simple

The results of eu referendum will be very different to if a 2nd referendum were to ever happen.

Turnout eu elections low I think as its only for 6months it's hardly worth it.
Remain or leave crosses all parties

Only greens and lib dems are room remain by their manifesto.
Labour is sat on the fence.
Conservatives committed to brexit but they don't all agree.
Change UK won't get far
UKIP damaged themselves
So brexit party has scooped up a lot of seats and votes.

If we had another referendum
Or general election still unsure how peoples vote and the turnout be a lot bigger.

 

[Mayday]

I can't believe that many people voted for Farage.

 

[Departed member 294]

I thought about that but then how have they managed to count all of Wales and west midlands in an hour and a half?

I find the banning of discussing even the voting on TV and radio really outdated now we have the internet, as if some callers on lbc would affect the votes in other countries

Because of population density in those areas. Less people, less to count, but they also get less seats per region.