I've met them and I'm genuinely sad about Bec's cancer but I just can't watch them anymore.. It's heartbreaking and all of the things you are all saying..
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Hopefully she was or is getting some real treatment and it's not just hours of meditation. If so, she could just say it.
I like them and wish them the best although they are frustrating. They frustrate even more because they are likeable and you don't want this to end tragically.
Oh no, it sounds like you've gone down the rabbit hole! I feel the same way, they are generally very likeable people, character-wise, which makes this flight from reality so maddening. I too wish Eamon would grow up and be the kind of mature, grounded support that Bec really needs to help guide her through this difficult and very frightening period in her life.
I haven't watched any of these ones that are referenced, I found it so difficult to be left with still so many questions as they meandered through more than a couple hours of my time with the first two podcasts, bouncing around, yet never really saying much of anything at all.
I think I will become even more vexed with their continued lack of substantive information and suggestions of mind power and visualisation at work to clear her mind and thus, cure her cancer. I wonder if next we'll hear about them down in Mexico, another "influencer" being comped alternative treatments in exchange for promoting their sketchy outfit.
I hope she is in a clinical trial or on an immunotherapy; why seemingly intelligent people appear so quick to abandom treatments that have undergone significant evidence-based analysis in favour of alternatives with little to no scientific support or research is baffling. Why they have not joined an online information-sharing support group is beyond me, most especially when they are so familiar with the online connections that can be made through their own web-based businesses and YT channel. That she would be relying so heavily on new age concepts that aren't so new anymore yet still have failed to be subjected to scientific methods and rigour. Yes, there is a place for alternatives that have undergone safety testing. I only hope she continues to follow allopathic recommendations.
Sounds like they should be much more informed than they are presenting, which is so infuriating.
I so wish they would give a plain-speaking, clear update that lists status, current treatments and prognosis. It doesn't sound like that's been done and just more wasted time and frustration listening to them. They should be very well educated on her health and her cancer status and established treatment options.
Have they said why they chose to break their silence and speak on any of this at all? From the ones that I watched, I got the impression that Bec hadn't wanted to record or publish any of this at all. I wonder what changed.
I only wish for the best for them and Frankie, I really do. This is by no means a meanspirited whinging session. I really hope they are accessing Toronto's most renowned and skilled cancer specialists and are availing themselves of the most current and effective treatments known. I hope their practice of making new friends with Uber drivers or finding doulas via DMs is not extending to how she has assembled her cancer care team. She needs the very best medical advice and treatments. I really wonder about her spending any time on podcasts or regurgitating her history to the public. Is that really how their time is best spent?
Yes as much as I’m frustrated with them I genuinely think they are good hearted people ( not putting Frankie online though) and I want Bec to be able to mange her cancer well and to live with it for many years.
I haven't watched it yet but based on the critical comments, apparently she now implies that ADHD is not real and labels are bad 
Next she will say that she doesn't have cancer, that it's only in the mind
She is close to that belief already anyway.
I don't know why people are surprised. Bec is not a rational person. Of course she will be against what real medicine says about illnesses.
Next she will say that she doesn't have cancer, that it's only in the mind
She is close to that belief already anyway.
I don't know why people are surprised. Bec is not a rational person. Of course she will be against what real medicine says about illnesses.
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Eamon said he doesnt think she has cancer and she doesn’t identify/has healed herself with her mindI haven't watched it yet but based on the critical comments, apparently she now implies that ADHD is not real and labels are bad
Next she will say that she doesn't have cancer, that it's only in the mind
She is close to that belief already anyway.
. I get doing whatever you have to do to cope, I really do and I hate cancer, Bec doesn’t deserve this, nobody does, however she seems to truly believe she is going to cure herself and its going to be so sad/devastating when the inevitable happens and there is progression. So sad.I added people's comments in the end. I tend to post comments before finishing themEamon said he doesnt think she has cancer and she doesn’t identify/has healed herself with her mind
Eamon said that he doesn't believe that she has cancer or that she doesn't believe that she has cancer?
People are defending him in the comments (about the ADD) but he is as delusional as her and has always been that way. I think they gaslight each other equally.
I think she has gone completely cuckoo. She is a walking cliche. Completely unoriginal. It's like watching a tv show (House MD for example) where the character is a vegan hippie who doesn't vaccinate her kids and has crazy beliefs. Then there is an outbreak of a rare infection or illness because of these irresponsible parents.
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I watched for a few minutes towards the end and he literally says that Bec has been healed from cancer.
Eamon: She doesn't, we don't believe that she's living with stage four cancer
Bec: Yeah
Eamon: It's just not, she's been healed from that, that was a little thing she had and now it's, you know it's very effing cool
Bec: Thank you babe
Cuckoo
Eamon: She doesn't, we don't believe that she's living with stage four cancer
Bec: Yeah
Eamon: It's just not, she's been healed from that, that was a little thing she had and now it's, you know it's very effing cool
Bec: Thank you babe
Cuckoo
She was smiling widely while he was reciting these lines. It's like she told him what to say. It's like he's been imprisoned by her and is forced to keep up with her toxic positivity. Let me know if you got the same vibe. He also always repeats the same lines about her being a superwoman and a badass. She watches him intently and is smiling, like she is proud of him doing what he is told. I think he is not the brightest guy. I got different vibes from Bec this time. Like she is controlling and is not that easy to be around.I watched for a few minutes towards the end and he literally says that Bec has been healed from cancer.
Eamon: She doesn't, we don't believe that she's living with stage four cancer
Bec: Yeah
Eamon: It's just not, she's been healed from that, that was a little thing she had and now it's, you know it's very effing cool
Bec: Thank you babe
Cuckoo
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Seriously when did they take a turn into crazy town? I'd love to know what conversations they have at the hospital with their doctors.I watched for a few minutes towards the end and he literally says that Bec has been healed from cancer.
Eamon: She doesn't, we don't believe that she's living with stage four cancer
Bec: Yeah
Eamon: It's just not, she's been healed from that, that was a little thing she had and now it's, you know it's very effing cool
Bec: Thank you babe
Cuckoo
It's weird because on one hand he's telling her he has ADD and she's saying it's not a real thing and anyone can rewire their brain and he looks upset or at least concerned she doesn't believe him. Yet he tells everyone they don't believe she has cancer and her stage 4 diagnosis was a little thing.
I used to love these two but they get crazier by the week.
Wow, their commenters are so respectful and diplomatic.I haven't watched it yet but based on the critical comments, apparently she now implies that ADHD is not real and labels are bad
Next she will say that she doesn't have cancer, that it's only in the mind
She is close to that belief already anyway.
I don't know why people are surprised. Bec is not a rational person. Of course she will be against what real medicine says about illnesses.
I watched a little, how ironic that I just mentioned the concern about Frankie falling off the bed...and it happened.
How coincidental, I had a friend describe an old episode of House to me recently pertaining to me. I had to search YT to locate it (and I did). Funny how you should mention that show as well.
I am noticing she interrupted him a lot after she asked him a question, yet listens quietly if the answer is a compliment towards her. I got the impression I was watching a mum and her young son, her trying to guide his response, or offer it herself, to what she was hoping to elicit. I think new age thinkers develop this overconfidence about themselves, it's a belief system where you believe your thoughts control your environment so it can lead to a sense of self importance. I see her lauding it over Eamon as though she is in control of everything.
I agree, placebo effect is great for feeling strong and feeling empowered. I always thought it was Eamon who demonstrated toxic positivity, not validating Bec's cancer or the seriousness of her condition, but always acting like everything would be fine. But Bec and her new age thinking is now doing the same thing.
I think one of the most important lessons in life is that we are often NOT in control of our circumstances. I am really against this false narrative espoused by new age thinkers that cancer (or name your illness) is caused by the internalisation of certain feelings or experiences. It leads to the impression that people are responsible for their condition. I am so against blaming people for not being able to "fix" their illnesses through a change in their thinking or belief system.
Children and babies die from cancer, for heaven's sake. They did not develop it through any false thinking on their part. People who die from cancer haven't failed to correct their self-limiting beliefs, and people who overcome cancer aren't simply better at it. I am enraged by this way of thinking and judgemental view towards others. I fear Bec is in for a painful realisation as well.
The wild mad smile from Bec is very off putting. It is crazy town and she is IMO following the cult of that Dr Joe guy. It’s toxic. I agree Eamon is as delusional as her in many ways, but I do think he knows better than to disagree with her about anything atm. Also looking back over their old vlogs and Bec talking about having to take Tamoxifen for 5/10 years, being grumpy about it but then reframing it to say it will stop her cancer coming back. There was a complete understanding about oestrogen and they have clearly chosen to ignore it and have a baby. I don’t like the way they have tried to throw the doctors under the bus. Take responsibility . They gambled and it did not work out.
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I am also so surprised thatt Eamon is no longer vegan. I can't recall if Bec said she still was? It was so incorporated into their van life and even offering their vegan recipes.
Seems so strange that he made such a fundamental change to part of their image branding, but did not mention it earlier.
Perhaps this switch over to watching him do home renos and such when they returned from their hiatus, they no longer found personal aspects of their lives important to share? I don't know if I missed it earlier, I also wasn't aware that recreational drug use and experimentation was part of his/their? lifestyle.
Also, I'm still not clear on Bec's cancer status? She is Stage 4, taking some kind of treatment as well as alternatives? Is she NED? Has she said her prognosis, or what happened to the metastases? or how it was treated? Is she scanned regularly? Is she now taking oestrogen blockers?
Has she said she is no longer sharing this part of her life publically, or will she update her viewership?
Thanks to anyone that has watched more than me and may know.
Seems so strange that he made such a fundamental change to part of their image branding, but did not mention it earlier.
Perhaps this switch over to watching him do home renos and such when they returned from their hiatus, they no longer found personal aspects of their lives important to share? I don't know if I missed it earlier, I also wasn't aware that recreational drug use and experimentation was part of his/their? lifestyle.
Also, I'm still not clear on Bec's cancer status? She is Stage 4, taking some kind of treatment as well as alternatives? Is she NED? Has she said her prognosis, or what happened to the metastases? or how it was treated? Is she scanned regularly? Is she now taking oestrogen blockers?
Has she said she is no longer sharing this part of her life publically, or will she update her viewership?
Thanks to anyone that has watched more than me and may know.
She said she goes into hospital for ‘infusions’
but doesn’t identify with that person and Eamon said she doesn’t have stage four and has healed herself. She had her ovaries removed when she had her c section, basically shutting off her cancers food supply, hence the lower tumour markers. She had so much pain but that’s all gone and she can do cartwheels . She believes her story is going to come out to prove meditation beats stage four met breast cancer. It’s very hard as on one hand she is a beautiful young woman with a baby dealing with this awful illness, I do understand the need to do whatever you have to to cope and yet on the other hand it’s so totally batshit crazy.Ahhh, okay, thank you. She appeared to be wearing a tight top in the last one I was watching, I am wondering if she has a port then, or perhaps a picc beneath her clothing draped over her arms. So strange when these YTubers become cagey with the details suddenly.She said she goes into hospital for ‘infusions’
Perhaps @Saydee might know what the available options are for treating metastic breast cancer in the bones and possible the skin (referring to her head growth) which might result in such apparent improvements. If she credits meditation, no wonder she's continuing to meditate for hours per day.
I wonder if they would share it if they went to Mexico for unproven treatments. I guess for certain if they were paid spokespersons. Her approach to manifesting her desired outcome suggests she might be vulnerable to the peddling that goes on in alternative arenas. She can't go long before she's exposed to the plethora of unproven treatments if she's dabbling within that realm already. Her comments must be full of it too.
If meditation was the panacea to eradicate cancer, there would be double blinded studies demonstrating its incredible efficacy by now and the news would be saturated with its miraculous success. Good for wellbeing, but no evidence it cures cancer.
I listened to the latest pod earlier. They honestly sound like two people being indoctrinated into a cult, regarding that meditation fella they keep going on about. Seriously concerning to hear the pseudoscience Bec was parroting.
The infusions could be for bone strengthening. Would she admit being on maintenance chemo? Is that a thing with her type of cancer? She has said her chemo didn’t work and that’s why it came back. It could be argued she refused tamoxifen and got pregnant less than a year after having oestrogen fed breast cancer for being the reason it came back. The thing with most if not all of these ‘healing gurus’ is the fact most have had conventional treatment at some point which has treated/cured them. They conveniently don’t mention that.
Yes even the critical comments are nice and diplomatic.Wow, their commenters are so respectful and diplomatic.
I watched a little, how ironic that I just mentioned the concern about Frankie falling off the bed...and it happened.
How coincidental, I had a friend describe an old episode of House to me recently pertaining to me. I had to search YT to locate it (and I did). Funny how you should mention that show as well.
I am noticing she interrupted him a lot after she asked him a question, yet listens quietly if the answer is a compliment towards her. I got the impression I was watching a mum and her young son, her trying to guide his response, or offer it herself, to what she was hoping to elicit. I think new age thinkers develop this overconfidence about themselves, it's a belief system where you believe your thoughts control your environment so it can lead to a sense of self importance. I see her lauding it over Eamon as though she is in control of everything.
I agree, placebo effect is great for feeling strong and feeling empowered. I always thought it was Eamon who demonstrated toxic positivity, not validating Bec's cancer or the seriousness of her condition, but always acting like everything would be fine. But Bec and her new age thinking is now doing the same thing.
I think one of the most important lessons in life is that we are often NOT in control of our circumstances. I am really against this false narrative espoused by new age thinkers that cancer (or name your illness) is caused by the internalisation of certain feelings or experiences. It leads to the impression that people are responsible for their condition. I am so against blaming people for not being able to "fix" their illnesses through a change in their thinking or belief system.
Children and babies die from cancer, for heaven's sake. They did not develop it through any false thinking on their part. People who die from cancer haven't failed to correct their self-limiting beliefs, and people who overcome cancer aren't simply better at it. I am enraged by this way of thinking and judgemental view towards others. I fear Bec is in for a painful realisation as well.
That's crazy about Frankie. I didn't watch that part. Instead of forever babbling about "being a new mum" and "mum guilt" (so much cringe), and forever going on about the "birth story" and the "special song", maybe they should take care of the baby instead.
I am noticing she interrupted him a lot after she asked him a question, yet listens quietly if the answer is a compliment towards her. I got the impression I was watching a mum and her young son, her trying to guide his response, or offer it herself, to what she was hoping to elicit. I think new age thinkers develop this overconfidence about themselves, it's a belief system where you believe your thoughts control your environment so it can lead to a sense of self importance. I see her lauding it over Eamon as though she is in control of everything. - I think she is in control of him. I guess because he is not very smart which makes her the smarter one. It's shocking how she is so confident about so much rubbish. It would be helpful if they said what treatment she actually received or is receiving. They intentionally don't speak about it and let people believe that meditation healed her stage 4 breast cancer. Very irresponsible.
I agree, placebo effect is great for feeling strong and feeling empowered. I always thought it was Eamon who demonstrated toxic positivity, not validating Bec's cancer or the seriousness of her condition, but always acting like everything would be fine. But Bec and her new age thinking is now doing the same thing. - I always thought he was the crazier one and more new agey but now it looks like she is even worse. Two fools together feeding each other's delusion creates a dangerous situation.
I think one of the most important lessons in life is that we are often NOT in control of our circumstances. I am really against this false narrative espoused by new age thinkers that cancer (or name your illness) is caused by the internalisation of certain feelings or experiences. It leads to the impression that people are responsible for their condition. I am so against blaming people for not being able to "fix" their illnesses through a change in their thinking or belief system. - Exactly. And that didn't stop them from kind of blaming the doctors. They said that he made them feel like she was cured and didn't let them know about pregnancy risks. I don't believe that. Did the doctor tell them it's ok to stop the medication and get pregnant? The reaction of the radiologist to her pregnancy tells me that they never consulted their medical team. I think she would eventually become stage 4 anyway, it was a late stage 3 cancer, aggressive and with bad margins. Maybe it would happen later on though. They are new age and they wanted a baby naturally and they convinced themselves that cancer is history. She had a lumpectomy because she wanted to breastfeed. Them being new agey informed all of their decisions.
Children and babies die from cancer, for heaven's sake. They did not develop it through any false thinking on their part. People who die from cancer haven't failed to correct their self-limiting beliefs, and people who overcome cancer aren't simply better at it. I am enraged by this way of thinking and judgemental view towards others. I fear Bec is in for a painful realisation as well. - How can someone be so stupid? She literally believes that cancer and ADD can be cured by changing one's thinking and re-wiring the brain.
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I was so excited for their podcast to return, but I had no idea it would end up like this.
At the end she talks about it she has a crystal ball she'd want to know what she could do so she'd be full in remission Bec. But last week, they were saying they didn't believe she had cancer.
She then says 10 months ago the cancer was in all her bones (ribs, pelvis etc) but her latest scan shows there's nothing new and things are healing. But then the Dr. said the scans were as good as they get and it's not possible to get better, but obviously Bec thinks she will and they both almost smirk at the fact that's what they've been told.
True. They knew about oestrogen and why the medication was important. Now they are changing the narrative to "we were led to believe that cancer would never return and weren't informed about the risks of getting pregnant so soon".
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Re cancer, all we know is that all is good, scans good, mets in the liver and bones reduced, no more pain, tumour markers down. She says prognosis was bad but now miraculously good in that shorter video I shared a while ago. She doesn't like sharing about it anymore. Eamon wanted to film her in the hospital and she said no. I guess influencers like to share when it's all good and they can show how heroically they "beat" cancer. Once it gets serious, there is less fun in it. We know Bec likes to be seen as a hero and a badass.
I wonder if @Saydee knows about these two. I can't imagine her being able to stomach their nonsense.
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Bec literally has the cult glaze going on now. The mad beaming smile she has on her face is creepy. She also says a lot of words but it's nothing new. It's the same old ideology. She is indoctrinated.
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