Eamon and Bec

[andreaoid]

As a 34yo who lost her husband to cancer and further complications, I refuse to watch them anymore. Fuck their positivity! You're always told 'once a cancer patient, forever a cancer patient '. So, their naivety is astounding. And fuck cancer!!

 

[LydiaDeetzHat]

As soon as she talked about lumps on her head, my heart sank. I feel so sorry for them. She looked well in the video and I was surprised she had all her hair too, I assumed she'd be getting quite strong chemo if she had tumors in different places. Its great they are being strong and positive, but it must be so difficult.

admit I am not far into the video and in floods of tears. Whatever you think of them especially Eamon, nobody deserves this. I had the pleasure of meeting them at Vegfest in London before the pandemic and I still remember how lovely and warm and friendly they were and how Bec gave me this massive hug. which was really sweet.I don't get a lot of warm friendly positive attention and it stuck with me ever since

 

[suzeq]

I'm not emotionally invested either. I'm curious why they are returning to social media at all unless they need the continuation of it in some form as their revenue stream. I suspect one of the reasons they went radio silent is that it's difficult to put yourself back "out there" to acknowledge some bad choices that might have led to such catastrophic results. The internet can be very unkind in pointing judgement errors out to people who live their lives on the internet and earn their income from it.

I certainly wouldn't do what they do. The expectations that flow from making your private life public are enormous since the intimacy created by it is exactly why people become such loyal supporters. The converse is the natural tendency to have an opinion on the narrative that they weave and the desire to understand, analyse and know missing pieces when there are gaps.

People start bookclubs to collectively evaluate and critique the content of published works.

I see this as no different. We are being given a narrative that feels good to explore further collectively as a community in order to improve our understanding and to explore our feelings.

I actually thought the discussion was largely substantive and qualitative as opposed to catty and meanspirited. Tattle has far more cutting criticisms and snark than right here.

 

[LeonorG]

Youtube recommended me this.
Eamon gives a generic self-help speech about choosing to be positive or some similar crap which I mostly skipped.
In a typical Bec fashion, she says that her scans and blood work are lookingamazing(whatever that means).
She says she had to advocate for her health a lot but didn't her medical team advise against getting pregnant in that time period and she ignored them?


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She is then asked what treatment she received once the baby was born. Bec says that there is no treatment as the original treatment didn't work so she had to find alternative treatment. What? Is she misinforming the viewers saying that there is no treatment for stage 4 breast cancer? Now she is babbling about the POWER OF THE MIND as means of treatment. So her treatment for stage 4 breast cancer is meditation and a lot of inner work.
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I have no words.
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Oh shut up Eamon about Bec's body making cancer in her stressed state and now being in ALIGNMENT.
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These two are positively doomed.
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One dumber than the other.
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She says her CELLS are listening.
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So to read between the lines, Bec had essentially refused traditional treatment for her stage 4 breast cancer. This is fine but don't say that there is no real treatment for it. She literally said that there isn't so she had to go the cuckoo holistic route.

 

[LeonorG]

Just a reminder that her cancer was invasive ductal carcinoma, estrogen positive. It was believed to be stage 0 at first but then became stage 3 due to bad surgery margins. There was cancer all over the margins. All investigated lymph nodes were negative for cancer. Bec chose to have a lumpectomy. The doctor told her that as her cancer was not caused by a known gene, it did not warrant a mastectomy and the risk of recurrence was similar with lumpectomy and mastectomy. She received chemo and radiation. She had a couple of clear scans and then got pregnant. She started to experience shoulder pain whilst deep into the pregnancy and a couple of months later is diagnosed with stage 4 metastatic breast cancer with tumours in the bones and liver. The baby is delivered 6 weeks early to reduce the estrogen in Bec's body which was causing tumours to grow rapidly.

I had a read on eamon and bec reddit last night. The thread is called "Let's be careful to not spread misinformation". The first poster brings up some research and a questionable conclusion but the responders come with counter-arguments and a wealth of information.

There is information I did not know or consider.

I now believe that this only positive energies and sunny and silly positive attitude and not thinking of bad things (risks) may have gotten them to where they are now. Not blaming them, just considering the facts.

1) Bec refused the standard estrogen blocking treatment which is essential to take for years after her type of cancer. This treatment prevents recurrence. It would have put her into menopause and she didn't want that. She wanted to have kids naturally.

2) When the radiologist told her sternly that this is not the time to be pregnant, I mistakenly thought that she meant that it would be bad for the baby if her mum's cancer returned (it was just a year post cancer so high risk of recurrence) as she would not be able to care for her. Silly me. The radiologist meant that it's very risky to be pregnant and have elevated estrogen (the thing causing her cancer in the first place) so soon after having cancer.

3) I remembered that Bec said that she didn't want a mastectomy to lose her breasts and then have implants. I assume implants would go against her natural vegan ideologies. She also said she didn't want to lose her femininity which is fair. Also, the doctor told them that the risk of recurrence with just a lumpectomy was just over 10% and with mastectomy just bellow 10%. He seems to have told them that there was not a big difference in the outcome but let Bec choose which she wanted.

So overall, I believe that Bec took some fatal risks to satisfy her need to have a baby naturally. I wonder if she planned to go on estrogen blockers right after having the baby? Maybe she thought she will risk it, have her lovely daughter, and then adhere to the treatment.

The rest of us can learn from this.

 

[Super_Berry]

As a 34yo who lost her husband to cancer and further complications, I refuse to watch them anymore. Fuck their positivity! You're always told 'once a cancer patient, forever a cancer patient '. So, their naivety is astounding. And fuck cancer!!

I'm so sorry to read this. I lost my sister to cancer last year and she was just 33. I can't get over some of the stuff they are saying. I just want to shake some realism into them.

 

[ellyjelly2]

Stage four metastatic breast cancer can be managed but never cured. There are lots of ‘treatments’ that help keep it under control/put it to sleep, however the cancer will eventually grow again and then hopefully there are new treatments that can get it back under control. There is also palliative care such as radiation to bones etc. Bec was really confusing as she spoke about having infusions? at the hospital but not allowing Eamon to film her as she no longer identifies with the person who does that? What did she mean? Is she having traditional treatments but just not acknowledging it and then claiming meditation alone is helping her? That’s really wrong and so and bloody dangerous. Or is she saying that was from the first time round and this time she isn’t doing any medical based treatments. They really were stupid to get pregnant and to try and sell the story their doctor told them to go out and start a family less than a year after having estrogen fed breast cancer. They had all the resources to find out exactly what her cancer was, the risks moving forward and chose not too. They had IVF ( which given her cancer was a big risk to take at the start ) and have five embryos waiting to go. I have followed them for years as I loved the van life stuff but to see them now is really sad. Bec has this toxic positivity and whilst I’m all for doing whatever you have to in order to cope, I do worry when her cancer progresses and it will, she will be devastated. Eamon isn’t allowed to say anything other than everything is going to be fine and they both say cancer was the best thing to happen and a gift!? No it’s not!! It will take Bec away from them, Frankie will lose her mummy. All round it’s a really sad situation, but I really don’t agree with putting out this power of the mind can heal met cancer crap. Also put a bloody life jacket on Frankie when she’s on the boat.

 

[LeonorG]

I watched for a few minutes towards the end and he literally says that Bec has been healed from cancer.

Eamon: She doesn't, we don't believe that she's living with stage four cancer
Bec: Yeah
Eamon: It's just not, she's been healed from that, that was a little thing she had and now it's, you know it's very effing cool
Bec: Thank you babe

Cuckoo

She was smiling widely while he was reciting these lines. It's like she told him what to say. It's like he's been imprisoned by her and is forced to keep up with her toxic positivity. Let me know if you got the same vibe. He also always repeats the same lines about her being a superwoman and a badass. She watches him intently and is smiling, like she is proud of him doing what he is told. I think he is not the brightest guy. I got different vibes from Bec this time. Like she is controlling and is not that easy to be around.

 

[Super_Berry]

At the time when the radiologist told her that it was a bad time to be pregnant, she was found to still have no cancer. But i agree with you that the increased estrogen due to the pregnancy must have caused this. After all, they were so eager for her to no longer be releasing estrogen that they had her deliver the baby 6 weeks early.

Also, I don't agree with toxic positivity and censoring of open discussion. Eamon and Bec have a business and the viewers are their clients. The clients will give them feedback and they should not get annoyed at that. It's only fair for watching them and bringing them so much money.

I like Eamon and Bec, I think they are genuinely good people with good intentions. On the other hand, their talk of positivity and energies and meditating for 5 hours in the morning (what a privilege of not having to go to work like regular people) is quite annoying. To me anyway.

Does anyone know why she had a tumour in her head? She never explained it. She seems to imply that that meant that the cancer was back. I never heard of tumours on the forehead and that they would indicate such.
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Yes she said that the newest treatment shrunk the liver tumours that they are almost non existent and the bone spots also. She is no longer in pain from the bone tumours.

It is too sad and emotional for her to talk about it so the cancer talk was very brief. I think that's what happened to Delia Chatwin. She was also diagnosed with stage 3 breast cancer like Bec. And they know each other and are friends. But anyway, Delia stopped posting videos and only gives a brief update here and there on instagram. Her posts usually rise even more questions as noone knows where her cancer is at now.

My sister has liver cancer following breast cancer and died last year. And once the liver cancer spread, she had growths on her head too. It feels so close to home to watch Bec even though we have no real idea what is going on.

I don't quite understand if Becs is still having ongoing chemo or not. If the cancer has spread so much, I'm surprised she's okay just now.

 

[Super_Berry]

I also found it a bit long. I found myself getting bored and I felt bad because I do like their videos usually. I also find it hard to listen to some of what they are saying. I am really happy for Bec that she's still here and doing well, but some of their chat about cancer and meditation is hard to listen to as someone whose sister died of cancer last year.

I'm not sure I'll listen to much more of them unless it gets better like their podcast before.
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[Camperfan]

I haven't watched Eamon and Bec in ages. I did watch the vlogs when she found out she was pregnant and I was really happy for them after what they'd been through. Really sad to hear you say the cancer is back.
In their circumstances not sure I'd want to carry on documenting my live and just focus on recovery and enjoying my family. The trouble with YouTube as a career choice means this may not be financially viable, especially if both of your careers are SM based and there's no employee safety net of sick pay, maternity pay etc

 

[Abc987456x]

They said she’s stage 4 metastasis at the start of their video but they’re choosing not to focus on the “worry” and to live presently and imagine a future with 17 children and doing cartwheels. As someone who hasn’t experienced a life change like that, I imagine it takes a strong person to have that kind of mindset and focus. I think they’re incredible and inspiring people x

 

[ellyjelly2]

I am also so surprised thatt Eamon is no longer vegan. I can't recall if Bec said she still was? It was so incorporated into their van life and even offering their vegan recipes.

Seems so strange that he made such a fundamental change to part of their image branding, but did not mention it earlier.

Perhaps this switch over to watching him do home renos and such when they returned from their hiatus, they no longer found personal aspects of their lives important to share? I don't know if I missed it earlier, I also wasn't aware that recreational drug use and experimentation was part of his/their? lifestyle.

Also, I'm still not clear on Bec's cancer status? She is Stage 4, taking some kind of treatment as well as alternatives? Is she NED? Has she said her prognosis, or what happened to the metastases? or how it was treated? Is she scanned regularly? Is she now taking oestrogen blockers?

Has she said she is no longer sharing this part of her life publically, or will she update her viewership?

Thanks to anyone that has watched more than me and may know.

She said she goes into hospital for ‘infusions’ but doesn’t identify with that person and Eamon said she doesn’t have stage four and has healed herself. She had her ovaries removed when she had her c section, basically shutting off her cancers food supply, hence the lower tumour markers. She had so much pain but that’s all gone and she can do cartwheels . She believes her story is going to come out to prove meditation beats stage four met breast cancer. It’s very hard as on one hand she is a beautiful young woman with a baby dealing with this awful illness, I do understand the need to do whatever you have to to cope and yet on the other hand it’s so totally batshit crazy.

 

[Super_Berry]

I watched for a few minutes towards the end and he literally says that Bec has been healed from cancer.

Eamon: She doesn't, we don't believe that she's living with stage four cancer
Bec: Yeah
Eamon: It's just not, she's been healed from that, that was a little thing she had and now it's, you know it's very effing cool
Bec: Thank you babe

Cuckoo

Seriously when did they take a turn into crazy town? I'd love to know what conversations they have at the hospital with their doctors.

It's weird because on one hand he's telling her he has ADD and she's saying it's not a real thing and anyone can rewire their brain and he looks upset or at least concerned she doesn't believe him. Yet he tells everyone they don't believe she has cancer and her stage 4 diagnosis was a little thing.

I used to love these two but they get crazier by the week.

 

[LeonorG]

Eamon said he doesnt think she has cancer and she doesn’t identify/has healed herself with her mind . I get doing whatever you have to do to cope, I really do and I hate cancer, Bec doesn’t deserve this, nobody does, however she seems to truly believe she is going to cure herself and its going to be so sad/devastating when the inevitable happens and there is progression. So sad.

I added people's comments in the end. I tend to post comments before finishing them

Eamon said that he doesn't believe that she has cancer or that she doesn't believe that she has cancer?
People are defending him in the comments (about the ADD) but he is as delusional as her and has always been that way. I think they gaslight each other equally.

I think she has gone completely cuckoo. She is a walking cliche. Completely unoriginal. It's like watching a tv show (House MD for example) where the character is a vegan hippie who doesn't vaccinate her kids and has crazy beliefs. Then there is an outbreak of a rare infection or illness because of these irresponsible parents.

 

[LeonorG]

I'm not emotionally invested either. I'm curious why they are returning to social media at all unless they need the continuation of it in some form as their revenue stream. I suspect one of the reasons they went radio silent is that it's difficult to put yourself back "out there" to acknowledge some bad choices that might have led to such catastrophic results. The internet can be very unkind in pointing judgement errors out to people who live their lives on the internet and earn their income from it.

I certainly wouldn't do what they do. The expectations that flow from making your private life public are enormous since the intimacy created by it is exactly why people become such loyal supporters. The converse is the natural tendency to have an opinion on the narrative that they weave and the desire to understand, analyse and know missing pieces when there are gaps.

People start bookclubs to collectively evaluate and critique the content of published works.

I see this as no different. We are being given a narrative that feels good to explore further collectively as a community in order to improve our understanding and to explore our feelings.

I actually thought the discussion was largely substantive and qualitative as opposed to catty and meanspirited. Tattle has far more cutting criticisms and snark than right here.

I agree. I think the long break from youtube was because of fear. It wasn't because they wanted their new cancer journey be private. They showed previously that such is not private to them and they are happy to share.

Their self-preservation and to survive this unscathed is very important to them. That's why they spoke as little as possible about the cancer this time.

They know they messed up and they are not able to admit it. How helpful it would be if they just said "Yes I got pregnant against medical advise. It is not recommended so early after cancer. In fact, it is seen as highly risky. The risk of recurrence when pregnant so early after my type of cancer is double. We should have been smarter and less immature. I really believed this would not happen to us. But now it's done and we have our beautiful daughter that we are so grateful for. The treatment is working and it's hopeful. Please listen to your doctors. Thank you for all your messages and we understand your worries. We have been building this community for 10 years and you deserve to be updated. None of this would have been possible without you."

 

[LeonorG]

It's threads like these that make me so glad I'm not on social media & not famous. Christ the entitlement. Are you guys for real ?

You don't know them & yet are literally down in the dumps because 2 strangers you watch on the internet won't give you a run down of the exact cancer treatment they are having ! SHE HAS A BABY & THE OUTCOME DOES NOT LOOK GOOD. Can you imagine how that feels ? Are you thinking about your audience member Sarah from down the road who's feelings are hurt that you're first thought wasn't "Let's update Sarah!" & instead maybe I don't know if I will get to see my child go to school ?

Sweet baby Jesus in heaven, stop whining & count your blessings you or someone you love isn't going through this !!

What? Who is down in the dumps? Yes of course they should have updated their followers and not left them with a cliffhanger.

That's the least they could do for people that they nurtured into a toxic parasocial relationship and who earned them so much money.

I personally don't care, I'm not so emotionally involved with 2 strangers on the internet that I start crying over them like you said you did @Pacho. It's not healthy.
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Thanks for the reddit info.

She had frozen her eggs, or they had frozen embryos, once the breast cancer was diagnosed, wasn't she going through a recurrence scare right around the time of pregnancy? I don't remember her doctors sounding happy when she asked about the safety of the scans.




I understand why Bec may choose to restrict negativity around her (understandable why they went completely dark all these months). But, they could have eliminated a lot of worry and concern from the energetic zeitgeist by not leaving their mass of subscribers fretting, worried and confused for so many months when they disappeared with no explanation leaving their audience's imagination to fill in an explanation. I'm sure their fans would have also preferred to focus positive healing energy on them if they'd been more forthright and not simply ghosted their subscribers, many of whom were left thinking the worst. The energy field could have been greatly improved with a basic explanation and request for healing energy.

Eamon seems to exhibit toxic/blind optimism. He would drive me mad; no matter what the circumstances, he refuses to view them realistically but instead gives absolute reassurances that everything will be perfectly fine. That blindness to reality would try my patience. IMO, it is important that he understand and respect her reality and show her support, not give immediate promises that everything will work out. To me, it feels like it negates her experience or fears when he never seems to be validating her experiences nor is he real about the gravity of the situation.

I agree, they do not appear open to sharing this chapter, they were very vague about so many important status details. It would be better if they were just straightforward: "we have decided to continue this journey in private" rather than give a partial narrative that puts even more confused energy into the atmosphere. Is she in treatment that has improved her health or is she trying to suggest that hours of meditation and allowing only positive energy around her has made an impact? What is her stage 4 prognosis? What do these stated improvements mean?

I don't envy content creators whose income is tied to their online presence, they create a monster that only grows with selective, partial disclosure and content. They are in a bind when half answers satisfy no one and their audience is reminded that we were only a means to an end and the vloggers were not as enamoured with sharing with us as we were with hearing from and supporting them in their journey. It is a reminder how one sided it is. Everyone wants to pull for her, but it's much harder to do when we're surrounded in mystery and with questions.

I refused to watch their last video which looked like a plug for Habit which feels so crass after their months long absence and the eventual release of such dire health news. I wasn't feeling up to celebrating their business anniversary.

Good to see you here, Suzeq.

Exactly. The painful egg freezing process that she had to go through. She didn't need to get pregnant. The egg freezing was done for a reason. Her medical team didn't expect her to ever get pregnant. She could have easily afforded a surrogate, these two are worth a lot of money thanks to their channel.

Yes she had a cancer scare at the beginning of the pregnancy. The radiologist came in and told Bec angrily that this was not the time to get pregnant. It makes me believe that their doctor was also not down for this especially after reading stories from patients or medical professionals (some in Canada) who believe that no doctor would ever be fine with her not following the standard protocol. Some say that if she were advised to go off the hormone blocker and start to try for a baby, that doctor can be sued. I don't exactly remember what bec said about this but people sat that she implied that he was okay with it. This makes no sense cause when they broke the news to him, he was shocked. That radiologist's words imply that noone would okay such.

I read that she would immediately be put on treatment after delivering the baby. It would be hormone blockers (the ones she was meant to be on following her cancer and probably others). This explains lack of loss of her. The issue was extremely increased estrogen and the fact that she is already better means it's working. Not sure about chemo or other treatment.

The plug for Habit was distasteful but it just shows that this channel is a business. Bec and Eamon posted this video because of money. They have to do it to maintain their revenue. They said they will do it again if and when they can, again for money. They understand that they have to keep their followers somewhat happy for this reason so she added some appeasing words to continue to nurture the parasocial relationship. She said she loves her community and is grateful or something like that. She had to do it, for the money.
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@suzeq I responded (not very thoroughly) to your post.

 

[Pacho]

It's threads like these that make me so glad I'm not on social media & not famous. Christ the entitlement. Are you guys for real ?

You don't know them & yet are literally down in the dumps because 2 strangers you watch on the internet won't give you a run down of the exact cancer treatment they are having ! SHE HAS A BABY & THE OUTCOME DOES NOT LOOK GOOD. Can you imagine how that feels ? Are you thinking about your audience member Sarah from down the road who's feelings are hurt that you're first thought wasn't "Let's update Sarah!" & instead maybe I don't know if I will get to see my child go to school ?

Sweet baby Jesus in heaven, stop whining & count your blessings you or someone you love isn't going through this !!

 

[Super_Berry]

This new episode is wild. Eamon seems to think that they should have another child because they have frozen embryos. He admits doctors will advise against it, but doesn't believe cancer can live in Becs anymore even with an estrogen spike with pregnancy.

Interesting there's actually more comments on this video about their attitude to cancer and how it feels like a slap in the face to people who have had cancer.

 

[Super_Berry]

I listened to the latest pod earlier. They honestly sound like two people being indoctrinated into a cult, regarding that meditation fella they keep going on about. Seriously concerning to hear the pseudoscience Bec was parroting.

I was so excited for their podcast to return, but I had no idea it would end up like this.

At the end she talks about it she has a crystal ball she'd want to know what she could do so she'd be full in remission Bec. But last week, they were saying they didn't believe she had cancer.

She then says 10 months ago the cancer was in all her bones (ribs, pelvis etc) but her latest scan shows there's nothing new and things are healing. But then the Dr. said the scans were as good as they get and it's not possible to get better, but obviously Bec thinks she will and they both almost smirk at the fact that's what they've been told.