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Sorry I realise this was a few days ago now but the fact that she can't even spell 'privileged' is just *chef's kiss*
I've really enjoyed catching up on the discussion from the last few days, there's some really interesting insights - Pandora could learn a lot from reading it.
I've really enjoyed catching up on the discussion from the last few days, there's some really interesting insights - Pandora could learn a lot from reading it.
I appreciate they are donating their merch proceeds, but like somebody else said, it would be great if they could help someone put their foot in the door.
The concept of peerage is pretty new to me and it’s pretty interesting. I didn’t realise having just one middle name made me so obviously normal lol. I wonder how her and her husband met, and at what point they bonded over having peerage. Or maybe it was just a given from the start.
I don’t know how these sites are maintained but there are some databases about the family history, that even give the family homes. I’m ashamed to say I’m procrastinating doing anything better/productive and have taken some time to look at them. Seems her grandad, the baron Buxton, lived in at least in his later years in a very fancy Georgian house with tennis court sold on savills for £1.85m. Granted it’s a large family so I’m not suggesting pandora saw much of that but still, must have been nice visiting. I’ve often found posh families are quite close too, and larger because they can afford multiple children. Must be fun, and I think a lot of people forget the power that can bring, and also lots of social opportunities, even if just as one family. It’s even possible to find the address I take was Pandora’s childhood home, or at least the residence where she had her wedding. It’s nice but not remarkably fancy, not as nice as even fleur de force’s house lol (swoon).
Still, I wonder if even Dolly feels eclipsed by the privilege of Pandora.
The concept of peerage is pretty new to me and it’s pretty interesting. I didn’t realise having just one middle name made me so obviously normal lol. I wonder how her and her husband met, and at what point they bonded over having peerage. Or maybe it was just a given from the start.
I don’t know how these sites are maintained but there are some databases about the family history, that even give the family homes. I’m ashamed to say I’m procrastinating doing anything better/productive and have taken some time to look at them. Seems her grandad, the baron Buxton, lived in at least in his later years in a very fancy Georgian house with tennis court sold on savills for £1.85m. Granted it’s a large family so I’m not suggesting pandora saw much of that but still, must have been nice visiting. I’ve often found posh families are quite close too, and larger because they can afford multiple children. Must be fun, and I think a lot of people forget the power that can bring, and also lots of social opportunities, even if just as one family. It’s even possible to find the address I take was Pandora’s childhood home, or at least the residence where she had her wedding. It’s nice but not remarkably fancy, not as nice as even fleur de force’s house lol (swoon).
Still, I wonder if even Dolly feels eclipsed by the privilege of Pandora.
Daisy May Cooper is great. It took me a while to get into ‘This Country’ but I ended up loving it. I notice that she is not featured on many of the backslapping woke white woman podcasts. The only mainstream one I’ve heard her in is Fearne Cotton’s Happy Place. After finding out about her background I sought interviews with her out and find it interested that she doesn’t feature on many. Maybe it’s her choice but I do think class is an issue. On a side note, her boob challenge was very funny.
Sorry I actually got my names wrong, it’s her uncle who lived in that fancy house. Still kinda gives you an idea of their level of social status if immediate family members are living in these crazy homes. I think her grandad lived in a large country home in a more cottage style that’s now holiday accommodation.
Re attitudes towards JK Rowling because I probably share their opinion I didn’t register what they have said, but this strikes me as an example where they consider themselves to Be mouthpieces for a generation because their social/political views align with younger progressive voices. Kinda fair.
Re attitudes towards JK Rowling because I probably share their opinion I didn’t register what they have said, but this strikes me as an example where they consider themselves to Be mouthpieces for a generation because their social/political views align with younger progressive voices. Kinda fair.
I bloody love This Country. If you google it there’s a hilarious short interview on YouTube with Romesh Ranganathan speaking to Daisy and Charlie Cooper. Daisy tells a 10/10 story about the time you auditioned as a dancer
Thanks, Im going to look that up now
could do with a larfOh my god, that really was funny. My face hurts. Now need to look up ghetto romance.
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I also think with JK Rowling it's important to consider that she's in an even more privileged position than them, so it's punching up not down (I also don't know what they've said though, just going off the post that said they have been dismissive of her).
So funny isn’t it! I love that she thought exotic dancing was dancing with fruit on your headThanks, Im going to look that up now
Oh my god, that really was funny. My face hurts. Now need to look up ghetto romance.
I have recently discovered this thread and have enjoyed reading all of the intelligent discussion, especially about class and privilege.
I am a HL listener and, as someone of a similar age, can relate to certain aspects of Dolly and Pandora’s lives. However, there is no doubt that they live a charmed life. I find the amount of book and tv recommendations they are able to give on a weekly basis astonishing, and certainly if they had ordinary full time jobs they simply wouldn’t have time to indulge to that extent.
One thing that sticks in my memory is the episode they did where they completely slated Mrs Hinch in quite an unpleasant and sneering manner. I appreciate Mrs Hinch is quite a marmite figure, but I found their observations on her to be incredibly snobby and that showed their real prejudice. I honestly don’t believe either of them knows how lucky they are.
I am a HL listener and, as someone of a similar age, can relate to certain aspects of Dolly and Pandora’s lives. However, there is no doubt that they live a charmed life. I find the amount of book and tv recommendations they are able to give on a weekly basis astonishing, and certainly if they had ordinary full time jobs they simply wouldn’t have time to indulge to that extent.
One thing that sticks in my memory is the episode they did where they completely slated Mrs Hinch in quite an unpleasant and sneering manner. I appreciate Mrs Hinch is quite a marmite figure, but I found their observations on her to be incredibly snobby and that showed their real prejudice. I honestly don’t believe either of them knows how lucky they are.
To be fair to Pandora, I think she does mentor a young woman so good on her for doing that. Both of them do some socially conscious stuff. But as has been remarked previously this does not cancel out their obfuscating of their own privilege which has plenty of damaging effects.
Yeh there literally is not one job that doesn’t face criticism/Performance review, be it supermarket worker or author. These people cannot deal with real life
Omg - show!!
The mrs Hinch threads on here are brutal, really nasty and personal...and fast moving, too. I see how she can be problematic but mostly she is just a normal person who is neurotic about cleaning, and got lucky with it, and is trying to enjoy her life with the money she has gained from it - at least from my perspective.
If you google her peerage you may be able to find that info, pretty sure I can tell post it
There's more interesting discussion on twitter about that Guardian article (and Pandora and her agent's subsequent tantrums) between Eliza Clark (a young author who has previously tweeted "a good thing about me is that you can enjoy my book without finding out that i went to oxbridge and my parents are both famous journalists like 6 months later and feeling somewhat betrayed"), the writer of the Guardian piece, and some others. Sorry for so many screenshots but thought it was interesting and relevant.
Can't believe the publishing agent's stupid "kill piece" tweet calling her spiteful and nasty hasn't been deleted tbh, she should be even more embarrassed than Pandora about throwing a tantrum - it's not even her work!
Anyway, I will be buying Eliza Clark's book, and using Pippy d'Fuckington as a pseudonym from now on.
Can't believe the publishing agent's stupid "kill piece" tweet calling her spiteful and nasty hasn't been deleted tbh, she should be even more embarrassed than Pandora about throwing a tantrum - it's not even her work!
Anyway, I will be buying Eliza Clark's book, and using Pippy d'Fuckington as a pseudonym from now on.
Pippy d'Fuckington!! hahahahaha
Eliza Clark nails it. Good for her.
That’s wonderful thread, thanks for compiling! I’ve been following James for a while now too, he’s pretty funny. Pandora is that posh person at uni who is only friends with posh people but disagrees with tories yet can’t quite being herself to vote labour so votes Lib Dem lol.
Very interesting exchange.
The clambering to be considered working class has always fascinated me. There’s a certain cohort of media girl gangers who strain at this a lot.
But also the weird insistence I saw a lot of for a while that working class meant poor. I come from good strong working class stock and social mobility means I had a middle class upbringing (on the slide) - my family ate well, went on annual holidays, dressed sharply. Money was watched - things were not *discarded flippantly, things were mended, food was cooked from scratch and stocks were made for other meals etc ..... but not poor. (Social housing. Meals out almost never but they prioritised other things).
*this is how it was in the 50s and 60s etc it’s not a hot take on what it is to be poor now and not cook from scratch/ disposable fashion etc.
The clambering to be considered working class has always fascinated me. There’s a certain cohort of media girl gangers who strain at this a lot.
But also the weird insistence I saw a lot of for a while that working class meant poor. I come from good strong working class stock and social mobility means I had a middle class upbringing (on the slide) - my family ate well, went on annual holidays, dressed sharply. Money was watched - things were not *discarded flippantly, things were mended, food was cooked from scratch and stocks were made for other meals etc ..... but not poor. (Social housing. Meals out almost never but they prioritised other things).
*this is how it was in the 50s and 60s etc it’s not a hot take on what it is to be poor now and not cook from scratch/ disposable fashion etc.
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