Delphi murders

[Gym&Tonic]

It’s one of the creepiest stories I’ve come across in years. I’ve heard one the girls fathers may have been involved, but I don’t know if that’s true?

 

[kabukigirl]

I really hoped they had the right person when they arrested him, as it was a case I really didn’t think would ever be solved - and it is just so heinous & terrifying (I remember genuinely struggling to sleep when I first saw the pics/vid of Bridge Guy and hearing him say “down the hill”) - there’s a fair bit that makes me think they do have the right person - but blimey the prosecutions case is so weak! Even with these 60+ confessions they were saying would nail it to the board - I am really unsure, I just don’t know

 

[AladdinSane]

I've scanned the defence doc and it's very clever. They imply that he couldn't have done everything alone but I think it's plausible because the girls would have been terrified and cooperate.

Possibly killed in or near the creek which would wash the blood away?

I think the defence are hoping people don't remember that he had a gun. Even in the video abby said gun. Two 13 year olds would 100% comply with a man who had a gun.

It is clever though. They make it sound like a story which can add doubt. I wish they had redacted the information about the girls death though. We don't need to know that. The court only needs to know that. I think that was strategic on their behalf too

 

[Old Soak]

I just can’t move past Keegan Kline’s Anthony Shots account catfishing Libby and him apparently admitting to her friend that he was supposed to meet her that day ‘but she didn’t show up’. Then those poor girls just happen to come across a sadistic killer that murder them both, same day! Police have supposedly found no connection but Kline’s phone was wiped clean when they got hold of him (although this was a few years after the murders). RA has admitted that he went to Peru Indiana the morning of the murders to visit his mum. What a coincidence that Kline and his father lived in Peru IN at that time.

I totally forgot about the messed up father. That was the scariest thing about this whole case. Just how many offenders were concentrated in such a small area. I remember having a ‘cheat sheet’ of all the names of potential bridge guys and there were about 30 people. When RA was arrested, he was notably not on the list.

 

[Libertine1975]

I need to catch up from the past two days (I've watched Andrea's day 9 recap but not Lee's yet).

The investigation was a shitshow and the judge is bias as fuck from Andrea's observations. Upholds an objection that a previous statement has been mis-stated and when the defence starts to read an extract doesn't allow it. Won't let the defence question a witness to see if they have been bias (which Andrea says is literally part of the job). Won't let the defence use a third party defence when the evidence she thinks more than meets the threshold. Won't let the defence question past the scope of testimony questions meaning they will need to recall a fuck load of witnesses.

Compare to Judge Kraynick in the Boone trial who allowed the Battered Spouse/self defence evidence and experts in despite the threshold not really being met (this was Emily D Bakers opinion but the judge said the law allowed him to rely on the smallest piece of evidence to let it on). Better safe than allow room for an appeal imo.

 

[Old Soak]

The jury has been sequestered for a month and probably want to go home. They deliberated for two hours today and asked to be excused early. My prediction is that they did a poll and had a discussion and everyone is on the same page and they’ve gone to sleep on it and I suspect they’ll be back early tomorrow with a not guilty verdict.

 

[skysky101]

I go back and forth on guilty or not guilty. But the jury seems pretty switched on going by the questions they have been asking. The prosecution has rested their case and now it's the defences turn. Should be interesting.

 

[Bread]

I've thought about these girls a lot over the years and searched to find out if their murderer was found. I'm so glad someone has been arrested.

 

[AladdinSane]

I've never been on a jury but I can't imagine the pressure you would feel during deliberations. Particularly in a case that has been waiting 7 years for an outcome.
No wonder it is taking a long time.

 

[AladdinSane]

the heavy breathing in the video and the sniffling make them sound scared

The sniffling is probably just from the cold but why are they so out of breath on a leisurely stroll?

I would agree. I think they're scared but also they're probably full of adrenaline having just crossed a rickety bridge, probably much quicker than they wanted due to the guy behind them.

I saw a podcast say this was the stabilised version of the video and the original had the image flying all over the place which would explain why people didn't see Richard Allen (I'm not even going to call him BG anymore, he's Richard Allen)
But also shows how scared the girls were and how chaotic it was.

 

[Justhereforthedrama]

In respect of coerced confessions I saw this on Reddit yesterday. In 2018 a man reported his father missing, and within 2 days was in a psychiatric hold after confessing to his murder, except his dad wasnt dead, and was at the airport.

The police had done god knows what to him and coerced him into confessing to a crime he did not commit.

Man Was Coerced into Confessing to Murdering Dad, But Father Was Alive

 

[Shinythings]

Wow that video really adds context. Clearly he was following them and directing them where to go, you can hear how scared they were and that they were clearly trying to leave clues.

I wonder why that wasn't released from the start.

 

[Libertine1975]

I am glad people like Andrea Burkhart and Lawyer Lee are there to cover the case. I want the case to be solved for those poor girls but I also want them to have true justice and I'm not sure the police have got it right on this occasion as everything has been so secret.

 

[What's your point]

I think they have the right guy and finally justice for the girls, just wished it hadn’t taken so long.
The jurors heard all the evidence and took the time to go over it and all 12 came to the same conclusion so that will do for me too.
It was said that he was handcuffed at 2.32 the exact time Libby phone stoped working…..
Hope he rots in jail for the rest of his miserable life, Abby and Libby were just young kids out for a walk on a day off from school they should be enjoying life To the full now as young adults instead they met this monster.

Yeh I suppose the jurors heard all there is to hear and who are we to dispute that. If they think guilty then it is good enough for me.

It said on TV he is expected to appeal, that will be interesting to see what grounds he has.

 

[What's your point]

Oh absolutely. I didn’t mean I wish they would hurry up. I just meant after they asked to leave early, I assumed they already had a unanimous decision so was surprised that’s clearly not the case.

Probably opposite they knew they were not going to agree and decided to sleep on it and start afresh the next day.

I think he's guilty but I don't think they have proved it. A big sticking point for me is why the device he owned from the year the girls were murdered was not found in his possession but they found 26 other devices? Why would he not still have that phone if they obviously kept multiple other devices?

 

[Aberscot]

I can’t believe the poor jury have been sent to a hotel for 6 weeks with no phones, and only allowed to see family on a Sunday with supervised visits, that’s a huge ask for anyone.
Where is everyone keeping up with the trial, I am away to listen to the Murder Sheet but they are a bit long at 1.5 hrs.

 

[AladdinSane]

I watched something the other day that said if it's not him, he's the most unlucky person alive with all the circumstantial evidence against him.
Honestly, I think it's him and he just got lucky that they didn't pick up on his admission of being there early in the case. I'm also positive they'll have more evidence than what they are sharing
I do think the way it's been handled has been all kinds of messy!

 

[Dollenganger]

I really am tired of the endless conspiracy theories that are ubiquitous now every time someone gets convicted, is murdered or goes missing. Nicola Bulley, Jay Slater, Lucy Letby.

If you weren’t in the jury, if you weren’t in the courtroom you don’t know.
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This is a genuine question as I don’t live in the US and have followed the trial via you tube podcasts but are Lauren & Dr John from hidden crime also biased (iyo) as I would prefer to get a balanced view from others if so. Who would you recommend ?

Pat Brown. Sensible, and only deals with the facts.
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and this is why I think cameras should be in courtrooms.

Why should they be?

 

[Justhereforthedrama]

I'm just listening to Hidden True Crime. She was in the court room. The witness who saw him 'bloody and muddy' she's breaking down what that was. It is truly bizarre and I cant work out whether she is a crackpot, the police are incompetent and didn't follow up, or the police have seen an opportunity to mould her original vague tip into something that fits the narrative.

The day of: The witness saw a man huddled 'sketchy' walking by the trail . She described him covered in mud and blood. Then she heard an amber alert of two girls missing that night on that trail. But didn't report it.

Around a few weeks later: Police had a barricade at a supermarket so they were forcing everyone to stop and asking for tips. She told the officer from her car that she had seen a man bloody and muddy (her words). The notes from that officer say she saw a 'man in a tan jacket, with curly hair and feminine eyes with mud on his legs' (at this point the witness is saying 'I never said that, I said blood from the start'.

7 MONTHS LATER: The police don't bother to bring her in for 7 months, despite her saying she saw a man on the trail acting sketchily. Why? even if he was only muddy according to her, that's something worth looking into? In this interview the jacket the man is wearing she describes as blue, which is different to the tan jacket first reported. The transcripts say she says she saw a man with mud all down him. She repeats the with curly hair and feminine eyes' (again she's saying, no, I said mud and blood, of course the defence hone in on this)

2 years later (I think, could be wrong): She is interviewed again. This time the transcript says that she describes a man just like bridge guy, blue jacket, jeans covered in blood, like he had slaughtered a pig (her words). No mention of mud. The defence say 'no mud mentioned this time, why' and she says 'well there's an hour of video recorded interview missing, that's why!'. The defence say 'what? how do you know there is missing interview' and she says she has seen her interview recording and there's a lot missing.

 

[AladdinSane]

I know it's the way the legal system works and all that but I can't help but feel furious for the families of the two girls and, to some extent, Richard Allen and his family. Regardless of whether he did it or not, this has dragged on for a year and a half since his arrest. And he won't be tried until 2 years after his arrest. Those girls have waited over 7 years for justice.
It feels like attornies just play games, get out of things over legalities and it's sounds like such an exhausting process for the families.