What’s she saying?
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She tells him he didn’t do it.
That he didn’t do it and basically not to speak incase anyone listening.
He was confessing to her and she didnt want to hear
Listened to 45 mins of calls, first thing that struck me is the voice , the similarities to the bridge guy , sounds exactly the same.
He sounds like a zombie on the phone , he says tell them ill say whatever they want me to say , which doesn't sound convincing when he says he did it
Then as the calls go on he just keeps saying I want you to know I did it , do you still love me. It sounds like he was trying to get the wife to go away and let her go.
Going to watch the police interviews
He sounds like a zombie on the phone , he says tell them ill say whatever they want me to say , which doesn't sound convincing when he says he did it
Then as the calls go on he just keeps saying I want you to know I did it , do you still love me. It sounds like he was trying to get the wife to go away and let her go.
Going to watch the police interviews
i watched all tom webster's video, thanks for sharing that!
first off i think he is guilty 100% but those interviews don't make him seem guilty at all. he seems genuinely confused by them arresting him & maybe he got away with it for so long he convinced himself he was innocent to the point he really believed it?
also from the police interviews where kathy comes in, she seems to doubt him & believe he did it. she barely says anything but surely in that position you'd be asking a million questions wondering why your SO is in this position?
another thing that stood out is when she said 'you didn't tell me you were on the bridge' & he just replies 'i love you'
first off i think he is guilty 100% but those interviews don't make him seem guilty at all. he seems genuinely confused by them arresting him & maybe he got away with it for so long he convinced himself he was innocent to the point he really believed it?
also from the police interviews where kathy comes in, she seems to doubt him & believe he did it. she barely says anything but surely in that position you'd be asking a million questions wondering why your SO is in this position?
another thing that stood out is when she said 'you didn't tell me you were on the bridge' & he just replies 'i love you'
Im on hour 3! He's 100% guilty
I think the opposite I think the videos make him look even more guilty he's so over explaining everything how would you remember these random days from 5 years ago and all that detail.
I think the opposite I think the videos make him look even more guilty he's so over explaining everything how would you remember these random days from 5 years ago and all that detail.
Lots of over explaining from him while managing to not give a very clear answer. How many times did he talk about where one my park near the trails 
yes that's a good point! it's more so the police video after his arrest i think, he seems very agitated & defeated but stays firm on his innocence (again, i think he is 100% guilty no doubt but thought it was curious how he doesn't seem to give up easily!)
i also felt like he's very clearly leading/manipulating kathy in the interview room. i wonder what made her change her mind to thinking he's innocent (although she's probably just in denial)
We're those phonecalls shared in the trial?
I need to find time to listen to these!!
Yes they were
I did feel like there was a lot of honest body language signals in the interviews and he seemed to handle it pretty well … everything changed for me when Kathy came in .. she knew he did it there and then, you can see how manipulative he is when she says “ you told me you wasn’t on the bridge” just tells her he loves her and pulls her in. IMO the calls confirm he is the bridge guy and the voice is a match … I did have small doubts about things but 100% sure it’s him.
he even describes the “hat” of bridge guy that he carry’s around with him.
he even describes the “hat” of bridge guy that he carry’s around with him.
5 hours 32 mins later 
I need to get a life
I agree with all of the above it's a mixed bag looking at him in those interviews he seems unbothered, why didn't he lawyer up, that cop even annoyed me with his repetitive question
I think the way he keeps laughing is a dead giveaway its a nervous reaction, it's so inappropriate
His wife knew he did it, he manipulated her, deflecting when she asked why he didn't tell her he was on the bridge by saying I love you.
On the calls when the call is coming through and he says rick....I got chills. ... sounds exactly like bridge guy
He places himself on the bridge , wearing bridge guy clothes ( although he does say his jacket is either blue or black) at the time the girls were there. He doesn't deny it's his car in the photos from the video of him heading to the trails.
To me his voice is exactly like bridge guy. At one stage in the interview he even says down the hill (around 2h 12m)
I think justice was served here
I need to get a life I agree with all of the above it's a mixed bag looking at him in those interviews he seems unbothered, why didn't he lawyer up, that cop even annoyed me with his repetitive question
I think the way he keeps laughing is a dead giveaway its a nervous reaction, it's so inappropriate
His wife knew he did it, he manipulated her, deflecting when she asked why he didn't tell her he was on the bridge by saying I love you.
On the calls when the call is coming through and he says rick....I got chills. ... sounds exactly like bridge guy
He places himself on the bridge , wearing bridge guy clothes ( although he does say his jacket is either blue or black) at the time the girls were there. He doesn't deny it's his car in the photos from the video of him heading to the trails.
To me his voice is exactly like bridge guy. At one stage in the interview he even says down the hill (around 2h 12m)
I think justice was served here
The more I see, the more surprised I am how long it took the jury to reach their verdict. I know it was still quick in the grand scheme of things, but still.
Sorry to bring this thread back up. I just watched the Netflix doc about this.
so he initially presented himself to police to let them know he was in the vicinity at the time and then they got him years later when they rediscovered that fact?
if he hadn’t gone to the police in the first place, would he have just got off entirely?
im so confused!
so he initially presented himself to police to let them know he was in the vicinity at the time and then they got him years later when they rediscovered that fact?
if he hadn’t gone to the police in the first place, would he have just got off entirely?
im so confused!
On Netflix
what's it called, I wasn't aware that Netflix had a documentary about this.Sorry I meant Disney plus!On Netflix
I'll look out for it the next time I subscribe, think I've only watched YouTube vids about this case, still confused myself how he wasn't identified earlier.
Yeah I think he might of, they didn’t really have any more leads.
i thought the documentary was really good apart from his wife, I can’t believe she is sticking by him and doesn’t think he did it.
if it was my husband watching the short clip of him on the bridge I think she knew.
This is a very good article that was in the Daily Mail yesterday. It talks about the ABC documentary and a new book which are both described as definitive accounts of the murders:
As someone who hadn't followed the case closely, I found it useful because it looks at all the strands of the case including Ron Logan, Kegan Kline and the Odinist links. The thing that struck me the most is how badly the case was handled initially which included the police losing hours of recorded interviews and how they misplaced the 'tip sheet' which might have led them to Allen in the early days.
Apparently it was only in 2022 that a volunteer police clerk picked up that Allen's name had slipped through the cracks. This was because he was listed as Richard Allen Whiteman i.e. it looked like Whiteman was his surname when it's actually the road on which he lived. That realisation helped the volunteer to realise from his and other statements that he was likely the 'Bridge Guy.
As someone who had read about his being in solitary confinement and how his behaviour deteriorated whilst there, I did have my doubts as to his guilt because I hadn't followed the case closely. However, reading this article convinces me that they got the right person with the clincher being that he revealed information in his detailed confession to the prison psychologist that only the killer would have known.
I am still very curious about Kegan Kline and the article doesn't go into that much detail about him. It seems such a coincidence that he spoke to Libby the night before the killings. But maybe it was just that - a coincidence. He clearly isn't the 'Bridge Guy' and if there was any other supporting that he was involved, I'm sure that the police would have found been delighted/relieved to have found it and be able to link him to the case.
I was glad to read this article because as I said, I now no longer have any doubts as to his guilt. It's just a pity the initial investigation allowed him to remain free for so many years.
As someone who hadn't followed the case closely, I found it useful because it looks at all the strands of the case including Ron Logan, Kegan Kline and the Odinist links. The thing that struck me the most is how badly the case was handled initially which included the police losing hours of recorded interviews and how they misplaced the 'tip sheet' which might have led them to Allen in the early days.
Apparently it was only in 2022 that a volunteer police clerk picked up that Allen's name had slipped through the cracks. This was because he was listed as Richard Allen Whiteman i.e. it looked like Whiteman was his surname when it's actually the road on which he lived. That realisation helped the volunteer to realise from his and other statements that he was likely the 'Bridge Guy.
As someone who had read about his being in solitary confinement and how his behaviour deteriorated whilst there, I did have my doubts as to his guilt because I hadn't followed the case closely. However, reading this article convinces me that they got the right person with the clincher being that he revealed information in his detailed confession to the prison psychologist that only the killer would have known.
I am still very curious about Kegan Kline and the article doesn't go into that much detail about him. It seems such a coincidence that he spoke to Libby the night before the killings. But maybe it was just that - a coincidence. He clearly isn't the 'Bridge Guy' and if there was any other supporting that he was involved, I'm sure that the police would have found been delighted/relieved to have found it and be able to link him to the case.
I was glad to read this article because as I said, I now no longer have any doubts as to his guilt. It's just a pity the initial investigation allowed him to remain free for so many years.