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JuneJuneHannah

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My childhood was spent in isolated, remote locations. Abandoned farm buildings, forests, hills, you name it.

Thr girls being dropped off at a rural location isn't the issue. The person or persons that killed them are.
 
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Silverback

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I feel very sad, I don't think this verdict is safe at all. Lots of people were on the trail he apparently killed two girls himself in 15 minutes. Sorry doesn't add up.

He might have been involved but the evidence just isn't there for me. The bullet "matched" but other guns couldn't be excluded screams junk science.

Other people had confessed but weren't properly looked into...the judge wouldn't let the info in...

Honestly I think he will get a retrial at least on appeal and if the third party evidence is allowed in I can’t see how he would be acquitted.

RIP Abby and Libby you didn't deserve to die and you didn't deserve such a shoddy investigation into your murders
At the risk of sounding crass, it only takes a few minutes to slit two throats. He said himself he panicked when he saw a van and ended it early (the van that belonged to Mark Webber and became evidence).

Kegan Kline said he knew stuff but it was proven he was in another location at the time. That other guy with a mental age of 7 also confessed but that was discounted because of his mental state and other reasons.

The judge was absolutely right not to let any of that in, along with the Odinist shite. It was baseless. Unfortunately with true crime podcasts, Reddit etc, these big cases get probed for ‘holes in the case’ or ‘alternative suspects’- it’s like it MUST be anyone other than the obvious suspect is to blame.

But no. When someone was at the scene and confessed multiple times, plus a bunch of other evidence, they are guilty. It’s that simple.
 
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Mum3boys

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I think once the gag order is lifted things will become much clearer about this case, which will be in around a months time .
 
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Silverback

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He is guilty as sin. The bullet came from his gun, he told police he was there. He confessed and knew stuff only the killer would know. If it weren’t for all the conspiracy theory bulllshit online this would be the most straightforward case ever.
 
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Shinythings

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There's a lot to be said for being in court as a juror Vs reading the reporting and that can have a huge impact. As a juror you see people's facial expressions, their body language, hear the emotions in their voice. In your court bundle you see information that observers in court do not. That counts for a lot. It can give the jury a very different impression to that of an outsider.
 
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Bread

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Have watched again I think you can hear Abby ask "is he right behind me?" at the start, almost like they're thinking it's a bit funny/weird at this stage and they've obviously been commenting on it. And Libby give a sort of nervous laugh. That's why she starts filming and talking about their route, to try and act normal... Hoping he will just walk past them... It's the kind of thing I'd do.

I wonder why it wasn't released in full sooner: it would have made it much easier to identify him IMO. But they'll have had their reasons.

May he burn in hell.
 
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QuiteTheChin

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I think he’s guilty. He admits he was there on the trail and the bridge at the time of the crime. He never told his wife he was there. His explanation for being there “to look at the fish cos I like fishing” without any fishing gear is well, fishy. A man wearing the clothes he was wearing that looks like him was captured on video by one of the victims immediately prior to them being abducted at gunpoint. None of the witnesses describe seeing another man wearing those clothes and he himself admits he did not see another man dressed similarly. A bullet matching ones he had on his property and matching the imprints of his gun was found at the crime scene. He has a history of mental instability which worsened after the crimes, according to his wife. He knew the white van detail which had not been disclosed to him previously, as far as I have read. He confessed to the crimes, yes in times of obvious mental illness but also in times of mental stability. By all accounts I have read he looked at those crime scene photos of those lovely young girls with no emotion, yet cried at videos of himself in jail. Where’s the compassion for these murdered children? Wouldn’t you, if you’d been falsely accused of such a horrific crime against children, be up there on the stand, getting your family up there on the stand, loudly proclaiming your innocence? Wouldn’t you be just so utterly desperate to show that they’ve got the wrong guy? Obviously am not there but I don’t get the impression from the reporting I have read that the defense or family really believe it wasn’t him and are fighting to get him off. It was him and I hope they put him away for life.
 
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savedlatin21

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Watching it made me feel so sad. Those poor girls. I think every woman/girl has been in that position where you feel your senses heightened and have a bad intuition about someone. Thankfully most of those times were ok. They clearly felt that same feeling and no one else was around to save them 😭 their voices sound so young in the video too and you can hear their uncertainty. What a disgusting human being he is to take their lives
 
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Libertine1975

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So glad Lawyer Lee and Andrea Burkhart are covering this. Honestly it sounds like the investigation was a complete shambles and I'm nowhere near convinced that the killer is RA at this time.

RIP Libby and Abby. You didn't deserve this and Libby you were so brave in trying to get evidence so your killer(s) could be brought to justice, I'm sorry the Indiana State Police weren't up to the job.
 
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Silverback

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It’s inconceivable that they had his statement the whole time saying he was there, yet that went unnoticed for years, absolutely crazy.
 
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Boogs

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There's a lot to be said for being in court as a juror Vs reading the reporting and that can have a huge impact. As a juror you see people's facial expressions, their body language, hear the emotions in their voice. In your court bundle you see information that observers in court do not. That counts for a lot. It can give the jury a very different impression to that of an outsider.
I agree. I was a juror on a murder trial a few years ago. After it all finished I read the articles that were written during the trial and I was shocked at how much a misleading headline or the way things were worded presented a very different picture to what I had experienced.
 
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Islawight

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I totally forgot about the messed up father. That was the scariest thing about this whole case. Just how many offenders were concentrated in such a small area. I remember having a ‘cheat sheet’ of all the names of potential bridge guys and there were about 30 people. When RA was arrested, he was notably not on the list.
I read somewhere that because of their arrests the police collected enough evidence to smash one of the biggest pedalo rings they had ever encountered. So many children saved from future abuse because of Abby and Libby ❤
 
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AladdinSane

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Don't forget guys, they haven't clarified whose hair or if it is even human.
Abby was wearing a jacket and in a picture had her hands in the pocket. It could be her own hair. It could be Libbys. It could be Kathy Allen's hair... it could even be a cat hair.

They have also said for years that there is no usuable DNA in this case. So of course a hair found isn't going to match Richard Allen's DNA if it isn't able to be tested.

I'm sceptical. Why was this not in the franks motion? It would be easier to talk about hair of an unknown assailant than Odinism and get the case thrown out surely?
 
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Aberscot

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I think they have the right guy and finally justice for the girls, just wished it hadn’t taken so long.
The jurors heard all the evidence and took the time to go over it and all 12 came to the same conclusion so that will do for me too.
It was said that he was handcuffed at 2.32 the exact time Libby phone stoped working…..
Hope he rots in jail for the rest of his miserable life, Abby and Libby were just young kids out for a walk on a day off from school they should be enjoying life To the full now as young adults instead they met this monster.
 
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Libertine1975

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I feel very sad, I don't think this verdict is safe at all. Lots of people were on the trail he apparently killed two girls himself in 15 minutes. Sorry doesn't add up.

He might have been involved but the evidence just isn't there for me. The bullet "matched" but other guns couldn't be excluded screams junk science.

Other people had confessed but weren't properly looked into...the judge wouldn't let the info in...

Honestly I think he will get a retrial at least on appeal and if the third party evidence is allowed in I can’t see how he would be acquitted.

RIP Abby and Libby you didn't deserve to die and you didn't deserve such a shoddy investigation into your murders
 
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