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Libertine1975

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Confessions are in but odinism and their defence is not.
They clearly did not make a very convincing argument that some other dude did it.

I think the trial will be delayed again now!
I've admittedly not been keeping up with this case as there has been so much going on but from what I have heard and watched from legal commentators the judge has been quite anti-defence the whole trial. I need to watch Lawyer Lee's coverage as I think she has the most on the case.
 
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So in the pre-trial hearing last week it came out that he’s confessed 60 times so far to killing them.
Yet he’s still pleading not guilty and his wife and mother were there supporting him, poor families having to listen to this.

That article is so strange. He confessed 60 times, but there are police\investigators\other specialists prepared to swear it was some other four people.
 
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BorisBear

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I can’t figure this out & can’t find a decent podcast to listen to which goes over the evidence. True crime garage have attempted it by let their opinions run the podcast. I really hope the girls & their families have the justice they deserve.
 
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Possibly because eyewitness accounts of something like that tend to be unreliable. Eye witness accounts are unreliable generally, especially after the fact because people can sometimes project stuff.
Oh of course, I think here where I would say RA is “unique” for his height as a smaller man, it would of been interesting to ask the witnesses, of course not concrete evidence but a good indication in their opinion on what they saw that day.
 
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Aberscot

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Sorry to bring this thread back up. I just watched the Netflix doc about this.
so he initially presented himself to police to let them know he was in the vicinity at the time and then they got him years later when they rediscovered that fact?
if he hadn’t gone to the police in the first place, would he have just got off entirely?
im so confused!
Yeah I think he might of, they didn’t really have any more leads.
i thought the documentary was really good apart from his wife, I can’t believe she is sticking by him and doesn’t think he did it.
if it was my husband watching the short clip of him on the bridge I think she knew.
 
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fauxpoor

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I am not convinced of his guilt beyond reasonable doubt but I think the jury will find him guilty.
 
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Bread

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I’m pretty sure the audio clip the police released was only a small part of a longer clip. It will be interesting to see not only what else was recorded but also if there is more of the man talking whether that points even more to Richard Allen.
I thought this. He'll have said a lot more than "down the hill" to make them video it, although I understand that the poor girls started videoing because he was walking back towards them.
 
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Do you think a cover up? Surely that will be uncovered pretty quickly in the trial if that’s the case… I swear this case keeps getting stranger.
Ive no idea. But it is a very strange move to dismiss the FBI from your investigation, given the FBI probably have their own funds and expertise?
 
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Chrisxo

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Tom Webster has just done a podcast on utube , he has all the recordings from the calls to his wife and mother.
It’s 5 hours so haven’t watched it all but what I have heard, you can recognise his voice from the BG video.
When he confesses i Really think he sounds relieved to tell her but she won’t listen to him at all.
What’s she saying?
 
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Mum3boys

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Has the full video of bridge guy ever been released? I’ve only ever seen the down the hill bit but apparently the full video is a fair bit longer
 
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Dollenganger

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I don’t understand why neither the state or defence asked any of their whitenesses if “ the man you saw in the trail/ area that day was the man sitting here” of course not conclusive but the “muddy & bloody man” must of been a very strong visual … how powerful each way for a yes or no.
Possibly because eyewitness accounts of something like that tend to be unreliable. Eye witness accounts are unreliable generally, especially after the fact because people can sometimes project stuff.
 
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Peakyblinders

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I’ve just watched a news documentary called chasing evil. I’ll have a look at down the hill. I’m chasing evil it has paranormal investigators on it apparently contacting the girls, don’t know whether to believe all that but it sure gave me the shivers
 
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Shinythings

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I've seen stuff on X showing pictures of Brad Holder and he bears a remarkable resemblance to BG. If RA is found NG I wonder if they'll start to look into others
 
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Apparently in one "confession" he said he shot the girls (I don't think cause of death was ever released but it was confirmed that they weren't shot...). He has a history of depression and was in solitary for month and months and I heard somewhere that this is likely to make people give a false confession. I don't know I just want to hear as much of the evidence as I can to make my own decision.
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The investigation has been absolutely shocking
2 knives were used, one serated, one not.
 
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thegirlscout

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From Defense Diairies on Twitter
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Of course it’s early days and hopefully we will have a clearer picture by the end of the trial but if I was the family of the girls I would feel very on edge, it feels a bit of a mishmash.
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The judge has said they are not allowed to show the sketches of the suspect that are publicly available for years prior to his arrest! Surely the jury would have already seen them in the past?!
I think the jury will be told to disregard them. Which is easier said than done!
 
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What's your point

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Elvis Fields
Brad Weber
Kegan Kline
Kegan’s Dad
Ron Logan
The Unknown ISP officer whose DNA was found on one of the girls
There are even more possibilities of who the real killer(s) are/is than RA
If a confession under torture sways anyone, what do you make of Elvis Fields confession to many people including his sister who passed a lie detector without torture?
You raise some good points and I had forgotten about some of these people.

I'm going to do more research on these as not really followed as much lately so may have missed some information and I might change my mind lol.
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Is the verdict being shown live from the court anywhere or will we just hear as soon as it's reported outside the courtroom?
It will just be reported.
 
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BaxterBillions

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Any idea when a trial is going to happen? Because they don't seem to be in any kind of a hurry to have one.
 
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