Critical Race Theory

[Anne1448]

Although it is seemingly acceptable for some people of ethnic backgrounds to throw around abuse unchallenged. When they should be called out - regardless of their race.

It is not acceptable for any ethnic group to act in an abusive way. Being insulted by black guys in London doesn't mean that they can't be called out.

Racism goes both way. Which is literally the purpose of CRT. It teaches the person to view history events and government actions from every point of view.

 

[Merpedy]

Is it on an institutional level? debatable (perhaps in some situations), if that's the case, point it out

Again, not as easy
I'd argue that elements of institutional racism do exist but they're small enough to dismiss and, with the release of that racism in education report, a lot of people would point out that white working class boys underachieve more so actually... can it really exist?

Though generally and as I said, the problem with Britain is that racism is so hidden that a lot of people just choose to ignore it or counter it with other points

 

[IngressUK]

It is not acceptable for any ethnic group to act in an abusive way. Being insulted by black guys in London doesn't mean that they can't be called out.

Racism goes both way. Which is literally the purpose of CRT. It teaches the person to view history events and government actions from every point of view.

I agree that racism goes both way. To believe that Black, Asian, or any other person of ethnic backgrounds cannot hold racist or any other discriminatory views is pure folly - that only some airy headed leftists believe. They wrongly believe that anyone of ethnic background is 'hard done by' and can do no wrong.

If some people expected me to get on bended knee to those bunch of black lads that I encountered in South London, they would be very much told to F*** off.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

The implication here is that stuff that makes people potentially uncomfortable and feel like complete outsiders in their own country is fine as long as it's not outwardly racist

Bit of a yikes

Seriously? That's not what I meant at all, I said context is key. Badgering someone about where they're 'really from' is obviously not a good thing. Taking an interest in heritage is another. Making them feel like a weirdo for being different is also not a good thing. Complimenting them on nice features or hair is fine surely.

I think institutional racism does happen just as institutional sexism does happen. But CRT theorists like Robin Diangelo basically say that white people are always trying to uphold white supremacy and will always be racist. It's like original sin in the bible - humans are born bad.

I think it's not true, I think it's divisive and I think it's an unhealthy way to think. If we applied CRT concepts to sex, I think patriarchy exists and oppresses women but I don't think every single man in my life is oppressing me. I mean, some have obviously, but some men in my life have been there for me in my worst moments. Conversely, I've been horrifically bullied by other women.

This lady's story is interesting as she found that seeing life through the lens of CRT to be really psychologically damaging because she interpreted everything as having to be racism. If someone didn't hold a door for her or a cashier was rude or whatever the CRT answer was this is white supremacy, not the cashier hating their job or someone being self-centered.

https://www.youtube.com/user/Nyonyozimusic

However, there are some things that that I'm all totally for. E.g I think we need to do more in the UK about teaching about empire and the atrocities the UK committed, about the slave trade etc. I am also all for including non-european history, philosophy etc on curriculums and totally up for literature by more diverse authors being included in reading lists. While I read that race report commissioned by the tories with an open mind, I was not impressed by the fact that the authors seemed to think that what was needed was a patriotic education telling positive stories. Sometimes the most patriotic thing to do is to be able to own up to past mistakes. Germany teaches the third reich and the holocaust, why should we avoid learning about things like the Amritsar massacre?

Regarding the last paragraph, that's what I was trying to get at in one of my first posts in the thread- teach history by all means but not as a tool to divide people.

 

[Zenchick101]

From my 60 years on Earth and 23 years active service white=superior (in UK i mean) is a no. no 1 even thinks like that (lads wise i mean). USA also i am 99% sure the lads there (is many Mexican and Native Indian lads) its the same. Every1 is equal chances but if some1 is a scammer or a f*cker then people will post about them black/white/brown or green.

apart from a minority in the states, I agree. However when you listen to the CRT rhetoric from there that's very much the theory they use. Which I tend to think is outdated as well as the user above.

 

[Big_Joe]

I think that's an understandable assumption to make since the main narrative when it comes to racism has always been that white = automatically superior to everyone else. Perhaps there's a different way to think about it?

From my 60 years on Earth and 23 years active service white=superior (in UK i mean) is a no. no 1 even thinks like that (lads wise i mean). USA also i am 99% sure the lads there (is many Mexican and Native Indian lads) its the same. Every1 is equal chances but if some1 is a scammer or a f*cker then people will post about them black/white/brown or green.

 

[SqualorVictoria]

Yes, this is exactly the problem with woke people rushing in to tell us about micro aggressions and you can't say this or that because it's racist- woke people would rather we treat black people with kid gloves than risk saying the wrong thing. Instead of treating them like equals we have to treat them like they're fragile and delicate.

When we're told that it's racist to compliment someones hair or to say a surname is unique or exotic, all that does is stifle debate and conversation and leave people afraid to say anything.

This is fascinating



At the time everyone was saying Amy was a racist

She was a frightened woman in a park and everyone used it against her and called her a racist etc.

 

[Icing _on_ the_cake]

UK DID own up to its shit. What other empires do you know in history that still offers business, education and trade opportunities via the Commonwealth? Britain also offered citizenship to many of its colonies' citizens upto a certain time. Heck, Britain even offered citizenship to many Hong Kong protesters too.

The British government paid reparations totaling £20 million (equivalent to some £300 billion in 2018) to slave owners when it abolished slavery in 1833. Banking magnates Nathan Mayer Rothschild and his brother-in-law Moses Montefiore arranged for a loan to the government of $15 million to cover the vast sum – which represented almost half of the U.K. governent’s annual expenditure.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave_Compensation_Act_1837

Is this NOT enough?

The history of the British Empire should be more taught in schools than it is - that's all I'm saying. It certainly wasn't in the schools I went to as a kid.

 

[Anne1448]

A youtuber provided a very detailed information on Critical race Theory and what it is

 

[Icing _on_ the_cake]

It's not that germans shouldn't learn about the holocaust but they should learn that they weren't the only ones who've historically committed atrocities?

Yes, I would agree with statement.

Yes I am aware that Indians were also involved in the abolishment of Sati. South Asian here.

But no, the British Empire didn't commit 'genocide.' That's a broad brush to paint the entire legacy of the British Empire with.

Sorry, it wasn't my intention to infer that the British Empire had. I mean, it may have, but I am not well versed enough about the British Empire in each country it colonized to say.

I just mean to say, just because other countries have been shit, doesn't mean the UK shouldn't own up to it's shit.

 

[Merpedy]

We are heavily blaming the West for colonialism when we must actively sound the alarm about current day atrocities happening right now but oh well, white man bad.

This is a political issue that would be discussed in political classes more. You cannot counter failure to react to current events, which will no doubt will be discussed by historians one day in a lot more detail than they are now, and failure of the education system to give a fairer view of colonialism

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An edit for a less rushed reply that's actually relevant to what I quoted
Politicians have a variety of jobs and fortunately that means they can focus on more than one issue at a given time
I too wish they focused more on China, and I will also say that they have made very light hearted attempts to debate and tackle the issue a bit but it's not enough. That doesn't however mean that they also can't focus on education or racism, things which are probably going to affect more of their electorate than global policy

 

[chocolatepeaches]

As a white person who's never experienced racism, I don't really feel it's something I can talk much about. Though a few black friends recently called out some examples of microaggressions they'd experienced (not overt racism) and it really shocked me.

What were those microaggressions? Pray tell.

 

[Anne1448]

Hey guys, I just started reading the thread and wanted to ask if you have Critical race theory classes in your own countries?

Because in the US it is only taught at Uni/College. Therefore to a more knowledgeable and older audience who chose to take the class.

In France there is no such thing as Critical race theory classes in elementary, middle and high schools. It is usually talked about through history classes. In which the teachers will show how people were treated differently by the French throughout history. So, most kids are aware of the atrocities committed from a young age.