itsnotmereally
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That distracting crying performance he gave
I’m so glad to read he is being investigated. There’s a page I came across on FB that has screenshots of a blog from his church and so much more info.
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I’m so glad to read he is being investigated. There’s a page I came across on FB that has screenshots of a blog from his church and so much more info.
Scottish Care Bear
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I thought it was very good & the poor woman did not give up. She wanted justice for what happened to her & others.
Crumpet41
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Ah that’s good to know - I wanted to start it yesterday but didn’t get a chance so will start it next week
I have started with the high speed driver or tragic accident for now but I’ll go back to the beginning tomorrow!It's one of my favourites. The way it twists and turns like a twisty turny thing.
However, if you are of the very mistaken belief that the USA justice system is better than ours, please watch it - the first seven seasons are available on C5 catch up and the eighth season is ongoing in the USA as we speak and come back and tell me you still feel the same.
I swear to God I will fight anyone to the death on this!
You need to watch from the beginning really as some cases have follow up episodes. And the second season opens with a catch up on all the cases featured on the first IIRC.
Scottish Care Bear
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Yes l have watched it.
Happy Alpaca
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BBCiplayer and Netflix
Be More Pacific
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I'm assuming he fancied a change (name and location) because he's a convicted sex offender and general maniac when on cocaine. I also assume he'd have had to make authorities aware of this, given that he was out on extended licence. He was convicted of Samatha's murder under his new name of Adam Watson so it must have been a legal change - again, I'm assuming)
rivermonster
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Thank you, I have found it where you said it was. I wanted to watch it because it is someone who lived near a family member.
Lukeal70
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Quoting myself to say I am one episode into The Vanishing of Debbie Griggs wtf is going on with 2nd wifeHi,
I have just got a good offer with Now TV. If anyone has any good true crime that they have watched on this app that they recommend that will be great.
Please only crimes that have been solved. I can't bare watching something for hours only to discover at the end there is no conclusion
rivermonster
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Anybody watching Murder Suspect No 1 on C5. Only been on a minute and it's a bit brutal.
Be More Pacific
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I've just watched this following your post and wow you were not wrong
Off to Google
It truly touched me. I need to watch it again.
I'm not sure I could do it, if it happened to me - I don't have children but obviously I have people in my life that I love - but you know what, I would think about this case and I would be willing to at least try.
Because I think about the stark, stark contrast between Tariq's father and parents who are just so eaten up by anger and bitterness and I know who I would rather be - for my own sanity if nothing else.
She still has trials ongoing and she’s representing herself she’s absolutely certifiably cray cray!
I’ve just started episode 3, will finish it this evening.I watched The Trial of Karen Read at weekend - HBO Max
The case is about an american woman called Karen Read who was accused of murdering her police officer boyfriend and a suspected Boston PD cover up .
Thoughts in a spoiler :-
I watched this having zero knowledge of this case.
Karen Read. I really didnt like her as a person tbh. I think that she absolutely revelled in all the attention that she received during the trial and the cult following she had made me feel quite uncomfortable especially when the doc mentioned that witnesses were being stalked and harrassed by KR supporters. Regardless of whether she was guilty or not this is not acceptable. She should have told them to stop yet she just let them carry on.
Despite all my misgivings about Karen I did not (still don't) believe that she murdered him. The prosecution put forward a piss poor case imo . To say it was a mess would be the understatement of the year. The evidence they presented about the tail light? Are you having a laugh? Having reversed into a wall myself (on multiple occasions) I could immediately tell what had happened to the light and why it was smashed to smithereens. Hitting a person would not create the damage that taillight had unless they had been sit at speed. This also would have meant that the body should be several hundred feet away from where it was found.
Then there is the the "I hit him" statement that KR allegedly made that comes from one of the witnesses. This is the same person who was also busy googling "how long it takes to die in the cold" that night at the same time as his death. There is also quite a bit footage from police, ambulance crews shown where you could hear what was being said by people and this statement of "i hit him" wasnt heard. For clarity, KR was meant to have been running around shouting this to all and sundry. There was also the troopers work group whatsapp messages which were pretty disgusting but also revealed what Karen Read's fate was which had already been decided at the top.
The collection of evidence was also poor and really quite shocking. Collecting blood samples using paper cups and then putting it inside a paper grocery bag. Hmmm... really? Nothing the prosecution said made any sense at all . Literally nothing.. their whole "case" was far fetched to say the very least.
The other side of all this is that there are a lot of people involved in a huge cover up but based off Boston PD's history of cover ups that involve their officers then to me it does seem plausible that they "would close ranks" to cover up again. Even with so many involved ( all involved are either related or very very close friends ). John O'Keefe is the outsider ( so to speak)
To me it seems more likely that something happened inside or possibly just outside the house - maybe a fight? given they were all pissed at the time. John O'Keefe maybe fell over and has somehow ended up face planted in the snow and he froze to death. That would explain the head injuries but lack of injuries elsewhere.. but this is where it then gets messy and nothing really makes any sense. If this was an accident then why google about how long it takes to die in the cold? Why not just call a taxi and send him home? What was so bad that they decided to leave him there? They knew something was up based off numbers of people making phone calls and then making excuses that its a "butt call".. when they are calling each other back? Why was Jen McCabe googling about how long it takes to die in the snow?
But then.. i have questions on the defense side that don't make any sense to me - like why when KR & O'Keefe arrived at the property did it look like no one was home. Why did only John O'Keefe try to go inside? Why did KR wait 10 mins and then decide to go back home? If all the lights are out.. he must have gone inside.. so someone must have been home?
All of this is clouded with a lot of pissed up people and muddled memories but even so..you'd have to be paralytic to not remember anything at all? and if KR was.. then why was she driving? I mean.. thats a side argument but all the same..
Watched that too - I was surprised to learn Kevin had custody of the children now. I can’t stand people using their kids for content as it is, but those poor children were abused long before Jodi come along
This one is just as horrifying.
Crumpet41
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I haven't watched it but I know the case you're talking about. It has featured on a lot of true crime shows.
My favourite real life crime show is Cold Justice and Torey Adamcik was actually a 'suspect' in one of the cases they worked on. A woman called Nori Jones was murdered in Pocatello, two years before Cassie Jo Stoddart was killed, and her house backed on to Torey Adamcik's parent's house. They actually went to the prison to interview him on the show (he appeared) and also talked to Brian Draper on the phone. I think the strangest/saddest thing, (I can't decide which) and obviously I don't know if this came out in the Disney+ show you watched, is that they don't talk to each other anymore and haven't for a long time. I found a documentary afterwards they'd both taken part in, not long after their convictions IIRC - the impression I was left with from that was that BD was very contrite about the crime but TA was not and his parents blamed BD for everything - basically, their son could do no wrong in their eyes. Sounds like this have shifted a lot since then from what you have said.
Anyway, if you want to watch the CJ episode, it's season 3, episode - Still of the Night. It's available on YouTube. It's my favourite ever episode and I have watched it more times than I care to admit. I won't give away the ending - just rest assured, I did a lot of stalking for ten years on this oneand I can pretty much answer anything you want to know!
Back to TA and BD - this is probably going to be controversial but I'm going to keep saying it anyway. Juveniles should NEVER be given life without parole - it's unconscionable in my opinion - and the fact that this has been upheld in their case (yet probably would have been overturned in another state) is another travesty of the USA justice system.
The Disney doc did mention that there had been a similar murder close by to Pocatello however it only touched on this briefly and i don't recall them mentioning that TA lived that close either. This is not to say they didn't - could well have missed this as i was pottering around each episode. I also had the same opinion as you that TA parents thought the sun shone out his arse initially but as the documentary progressed I did change my mind. But in hindsight i now wonder if this opinion was influenced by BD's family and BD's remorse because now i am thinking about the family didn't really stop making excuses for TA. I was also annoyed when the parents and TA basically blamed his behaviour on the fact he was possibly coming to terms with being gay.
The doc also featured both BD and TA in prison as well - both were 35 at the time ( and both were on the phone to the producers - not visited in person . It was whilst they were on the phone to TA i thought he came across as being remorseful . There is no question that BD has been remorseful from the very start but TA def less so.
Re - life without parole . I am not sure where i sit with this . The judge clearly thought they posed as a danger to the public at the time and I would agree ( given their "kill "list). You could argue that BD would most likely not reoffend but I cant be certain about TA ( so then if i am having these thoughts then why am I thinking he came across as remorseful? I don't know how to answer that
).
I will look for the doc on YT as well thanks
The doc also featured both BD and TA in prison as well - both were 35 at the time ( and both were on the phone to the producers - not visited in person . It was whilst they were on the phone to TA i thought he came across as being remorseful . There is no question that BD has been remorseful from the very start but TA def less so.
Re - life without parole . I am not sure where i sit with this . The judge clearly thought they posed as a danger to the public at the time and I would agree ( given their "kill "list). You could argue that BD would most likely not reoffend but I cant be certain about TA ( so then if i am having these thoughts then why am I thinking he came across as remorseful? I don't know how to answer that
).I will look for the doc on YT as well thanks
Be More Pacific
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I haven't watched it but I know the case you're talking about. It has featured on a lot of true crime shows.
My favourite real life crime show is Cold Justice and Torey Adamcik was actually a 'suspect' in one of the cases they worked on. A woman called Nori Jones was murdered in Pocatello, two years before Cassie Jo Stoddart was killed, and her house backed on to Torey Adamcik's parent's house. They actually went to the prison to interview him on the show (he appeared) and also talked to Brian Draper on the phone. I think the strangest/saddest thing, (I can't decide which) and obviously I don't know if this came out in the Disney+ show you watched, is that they don't talk to each other anymore and haven't for a long time. I found a documentary afterwards they'd both taken part in, not long after their convictions IIRC - the impression I was left with from that was that BD was very contrite about the crime but TA was not and his parents blamed BD for everything - basically, their son could do no wrong in their eyes. Sounds like this have shifted a lot since then from what you have said.
Anyway, if you want to watch the CJ episode, it's season 3, episode - Still of the Night. It's available on YouTube. It's my favourite ever episode and I have watched it more times than I care to admit. I won't give away the ending - just rest assured, I did a lot of stalking for ten years on this one and I can pretty much answer anything you want to know!
Back to TA and BD - this is probably going to be controversial but I'm going to keep saying it anyway. Juveniles should NEVER be given life without parole - it's unconscionable in my opinion - and the fact that this has been upheld in their case (yet probably would have been overturned in another state) is another travesty of the USA justice system.
Anyway, if you want to watch the CJ episode, it's season 3, episode - Still of the Night. It's available on YouTube. It's my favourite ever episode and I have watched it more times than I care to admit. I won't give away the ending - just rest assured, I did a lot of stalking for ten years on this one
and I can pretty much answer anything you want to know!Back to TA and BD - this is probably going to be controversial but I'm going to keep saying it anyway. Juveniles should NEVER be given life without parole - it's unconscionable in my opinion - and the fact that this has been upheld in their case (yet probably would have been overturned in another state) is another travesty of the USA justice system.
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