It's sad when you have to be grateful for small fucking mercies. What a world.Update - she backed down and didn’t impose them todayI have a feeling she’s waiting for an announcement from Boris before she goes full on with the vax passes here, but let’s hope that day never comes.
I know right!It's sad when you have to be grateful for small fucking mercies. What a world.
There are people who've never had vaccines as an adult, I'm one of them. Some people are healthy and don't need something that's potentially harmful.I'm familiar with the concept obviously. But I can't understand the mindset of someone who really wants a career (especially in healthcare) thinking the vaccine is a bad thing and refusing to take it.
I could only understand it if vaccines were brand new and didn't exist before Covid. Then there'd understandably be a bit of trepidation about them. But this is just the latest in a long line of vaccines and most people have had at least one in their lives before.
I've had jabs for the flu, measles, mumps, rubella, polio, tetanus, etc etc etc. This is just another.
I haven't wanted to go to any country and required a vaccine for entry (e.g. yellow fever) but I would if I wanted to travel to said country.
I think I'll just have to resign myself to the fact that I'll never get the opposing stance.
I should not really take the bait really but, my friend died one day after her vaccine as have many others. Go to the painful period after vaccine thread to read a few stories there of young women having problems. go look all over SM forums and groups for people having problems right nowI truly don't understand why people are willing to jeopardise their careers over something so small as a vaccine.
I hate to say it, but I honestly think some of it's about stubborness. I think it's often a case of digging heels in and wanting to save face because they'd see it as having 'lost' if they take it now.
That said, I suppose maybe some aren't that committed to a particular career and were maybe considering changing anyway so this kind of helps them on their way.
This is taken from the website of NHS100k - and should give you an insight into what they are doing it all for...I truly don't understand why people are willing to jeopardise their careers over something so small as a vaccine.
I hate to say it, but I honestly think some of it's about stubborness. I think it's often a case of digging heels in and wanting to save face because they'd see it as having 'lost' if they take it now.
That said, I suppose maybe some aren't that committed to a particular career and were maybe considering changing anyway so this kind of helps them on their way.
The same reason you need boosters; because immunity wanes over time. It'd be great if once you had covid or the vaccine youwere always immune forevermore but it doesn't work like that.Maybe if you've had covid and made a full recovery then why would you need a vaccine against it? And please don't say for others because when it comes down to it other people don't give two hoots about anyone else.
You're getting mixed up with refusing to take and chosen not to take. An informed decision has been made.
You've chosen to take it
We have chosen not to take it
It's simple really.
And by the way I don't care who's had it and who hasn’t, it's personal CHOICE
Get a booster if you want to, but shouldn’t that be a choice? Some people don’t care about catching covid or having ‘immuity’, me being one of them. I know a lot of people that have had it and I think the majority of people will say it was no worse than a cold, Iv probably had it and had 0 symptoms. Don’t you think it’s time to move on?The same reason you need boosters; because immunity wanes over time. It'd be great if once you had covid or the vaccine youwere always immune forevermore but it doesn't work like that.
So why would I need a vaccine for something I can make a full recovery from?The same reason you need boosters; because immunity wanes over time. It'd be great if once you had covid or the vaccine youwere always immune forevermore but it doesn't work like that.
Yeah because people having the vaccine is no risk to you, so of course you're unconcerned.So why would I need a vaccine for something I can make a full recovery from?
Why does it bother you so much that people have chosen not to take it? It doesn't bother me in the slightest that people have had it.
I find the whole thing weird.
You can still catch it and spread it as a vaccinated person.Yeah because people having the vaccine is no risk to you, so of course you're unconcerned.
If people don't have it, that could impact me, because they may well give it to me. If people not choosing to have the vaccine had zero impact on me, I wouldn't give a flying fig.
The anti-vaccine movement as a global whole is made up of a lot of people who spread disinformation. The whole 5G microchip meme thing that happened, plus the actual very sinister "vaccines can cause autism" thing which is incredibly harmful to understanding of autistic people as a whole and general public health of serious vaccines for things like rubella and mumps.So why would I need a vaccine for something I can make a full recovery from?
Why does it bother you so much that people have chosen not to take it? It doesn't bother me in the slightest that people have had it.
I find the whole thing weird.
Some have this mantra in their head and no matter what new info is given they still go back to the old mantra. Bloody bizarreYou can still catch it and spread it as a vaccinated person.
Just like several of my friends have, my sister and brother in law and many of our customers who have had both vaccines.
All people whether vaccinated or not could potentially have an impact on you, this is the whole point.
Give me strength
I've been catching up on this thread as it was in July/August I think when I was last on. It's taken me agesSome have this mantra in their head and no matter what new info is given they still go back to the old mantra. Bloody bizarre
You're saying that strangers should care more about your health than their own. That's quite selfish.Yeah because people having the vaccine is no risk to you, so of course you're unconcerned.
If people don't have it, that could impact me, because they may well give it to me. If people not choosing to have the vaccine had zero impact on me, I wouldn't give a flying fig.
The vaccine does have a role in reducing transmission. Reduction in transmission > reduction of people catching it and passing it on.I've been catching up on this thread as it was in July/August I think when I was last on. It's taken me ages
@Ensay stated a thread or so back that the vaccine was to stop you catching and spreading, I couldn't quote though as it was locked!!
You're saying that strangers should care more about your health than their own. That's quite selfish.
The word we need to use is REDUCEPeople that say that the vaccines stop you spreading, catching and becoming ill from covid don’t even deserve a response anymore. Just let them live in that bubble.
Hasn’t reduced it though, has it?The word we need to use is REDUCEnot STOP as we were never told the vaccine is 100% effective.
I am so not anti vax, my kids are all up to date with their childhood vaccines, I had an MMR in my 30s as it turned out my childhood vaccine hadn't created any immunity etc, etc and I was planning on more children.The anti-vaccine movement as a global whole is made up of a lot of people who spread disinformation. The whole 5G microchip meme thing that happened, plus the actual very sinister "vaccines can cause autism" thing which is incredibly harmful to understanding of autistic people as a whole and general public health of serious vaccines for things like rubella and mumps.
You seem fairly informed about the thing but you do have to admit that the worldwide anti-vaccine movement is caught up with some terrible people and fairly terrible ideologies, based on conspiracy theories, bad science and bad statistics.
You can make a full recovery for any illness. I think what is scary about COVID is that you could be in that small percent of healthy people who get stuck with long-viral like symptoms or loss of taste/smell etc. things like that.
I still don't think you should be mandated to have this or lose your freedoms etc. but the vocal community of anti-vaccine people (of which I appreciate you may not be a part of) especially before COVID is up there with flat earthers in terms of perceived craziness.
Which subsides substantially as you come up for your booster.The vaccine does have a role in reducing transmission. Reduction in transmission > reduction of people catching it and passing it on.
I know people don’t agree/believe this.
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