My kids see their grandparents. It’s the only way I can go to work.
if I used nursery full time, it would cost me £1847 per child who isn’t in school. Not doable for us seeing as we have to pay to keep a roof over our heads
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if I used nursery full time, it would cost me £1847 per child who isn’t in school. Not doable for us seeing as we have to pay to keep a roof over our heads
In the current restrictions it actually is though, and this is exactly why it’s not working
She’s a teacher, being exposed to lots of people and she could pass it on to her mum and equally her mum could pass it to her and she could then pass it to the kids at school. We are trying to break this link and if people keep seeing others it’s not going to happen!
That’s for childcare and perfectly ok, this was for a social call. Not okay under the current lockdown. What are people not getting about this?!
What are people not getting about the fact that life is too short to keep your kids away from their own immediate family?
She may need support from her parents or be suffering massively with mental health issues.
People have had enough of being separated from family and missing out on what precious little time we have.
She may need support from her parents or be suffering massively with mental health issues.
People have had enough of being separated from family and missing out on what precious little time we have.
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This is a very naive outlook.
We are all separated from immediate family/close friends, its the point of the lockdown. Unless there is a real reason aka childcare or living alone suck it up for 4 weeks.
We are all missing out on precious time but it has to be done to try and reduce the cases if we all took your approach we'd be in lockdown for ever..
I completely disagree. You are putting people at risk, end of.
My husbands mental health has been really bad this year and at no point had he gone against the lockdown. If you live alone or are permitted to bubble then yes that’s fine. But seeing family when you aren’t meant to in my opinion is very selfish and the reason numbers are not getting any better.
I totally get what you’re saying.
The bigger picture is this - not a direct question. why can my parents look after my children, to keep the economy going, while being at risk, but for social they can’t? The virus doesn’t know the difference.
Its exactly that. To keep the economy going.
We have to make sacrifices to try and stop the spread of this virus.
I don't agree with all the measures but the rules have been put in place for a reason. And the attitude of "the virus doesn't know the difference" infuriates me. Of course it doesn't, but limiting social interactions and close contact helps reduce the spread
Some people have no choice but to use family for childcare and it is right that this should continue. It doesn't mean that everyone with children should be socially mixing with family
Because by allowing them to look after your kids allows you to work to keep the economy going. It’s a means to an end. And provided you are following the other rules your parents are at minimal risk with your kids. If your seeing Bob, sally and Kevin outside of that then the only person putting them at risk is you.
Allowing people to socialise means they hug, they sit closer than they need to, they stay over etc.
It about balance and it’s not going to be perfect but there has to be a line. Alternatively, your parents can’t look after your kids and you don’t go to work we’d get over this quicker but likelihood is you wouldn’t have a job to go back to. I know which I would prefer.
All this how does the virus know is BS, it’s all about reducing risk. The less people you see the less risk you have and have of passing it on to Doris in the supermarket.
Right guys, I am being pedantic, but the crux is this. Limiting contact with people - yes. But if Betty has her grandkids every Wednesday and Thursday so parents can go to work, what should stop her seeing them on a Saturday?
To me, if you want to see your family that’s the risk you take. But you/your family should not then go to the supermarket, petrol station or any public place where you could infect others.
Put yourself at risk if you want but not others who have followed the rules.
Because where do you draw the line. Of well I see X at work so why can’t she come round and she lives her kids so they can come too. Oh and so can Y because we also work with them on a Tuesday, before you know it three households and 5 people (with kids cared for by another two household). There has to be a line and that the line that’s been drawn.
The more people stick to this the quicker it will be over. But as more people ignore the rules to suit their own desires the longer this will drag on.
Put yourself at risk if you want but not others who have followed the rules.
There is no reason she couldn’t see the kids, but not the parents. The parents shouldn’t be popping in for a coffee or chat. It’s a drop of only. It’s just about trying to remove the links.
Because where do you draw the line. Of well I see X at work so why can’t she come round and she lives her kids so they can come too. Oh and so can Y because we also work with them on a Tuesday, before you know it three households and 5 people (with kids cared for by another two household). There has to be a line and that the line that’s been drawn.
The more people stick to this the quicker it will be over. But as more people ignore the rules to suit their own desires the longer this will drag on.
@JoeBloggs is completely right!
Those of you still seeing your parents socially, unless you’re in a childcare bubble or support bubble it is not allowed at the moment. It’s hard for all of us but it’s especially harder for those of us who are abiding by the rules because the people who are selfishly carrying on regardless are making this drag on even longer (and let’s face it, it doesn’t affect them if they’re doing their own thing whereas it prolongs the difficulties for those of us separated from our loved ones because we’re doing the right thing!). I’ve been separated from my partner for the last 2 weeks so I could bubble up with my dad and give him support. My son is now isolating from school due to a case in his school bubble so now my dad’s on his own again and I’m on my own with my son.we’re doing the right thing so I can hold my head up high!
Because it’s an extra, and in this case unnecessary, risk.....it’s how it’s spread. You know that really so don’t be pedantic.
Those of you still seeing your parents socially, unless you’re in a childcare bubble or support bubble it is not allowed at the moment. It’s hard for all of us but it’s especially harder for those of us who are abiding by the rules because the people who are selfishly carrying on regardless are making this drag on even longer (and let’s face it, it doesn’t affect them if they’re doing their own thing whereas it prolongs the difficulties for those of us separated from our loved ones because we’re doing the right thing!). I’ve been separated from my partner for the last 2 weeks so I could bubble up with my dad and give him support. My son is now isolating from school due to a case in his school bubble so now my dad’s on his own again and I’m on my own with my son.we’re doing the right thing so I can hold my head up high!
Because it’s an extra, and in this case unnecessary, risk.....it’s how it’s spread. You know that really so don’t be pedantic.
It’s not 4 weeks though is it? It’s been basically the whole year.
Other people understand that by doing this you're contributing to the lives of others being shortened.
No it hasn’t. You were able to see family earlier in the year, all be it under certain rules.
You were able to see family up until November, but we’re told not to for four weeks. But clearly some people aren’t prepared to wait a few weeks to save their fellow humans. We could have potentially been able to celebrate Christmas but because people refuse to lockdown again we probably won’t.
Whether you think its right or not, that is the guidance. They have to draw a line somewhere.
It's tit. My children see their nan for childcare but we can't see them or meet up for a coffee etc, it's drop off only. My husband hasn't seen his dad in ages because he's not part of our bubble as we need childcare to help us work. He's going to his grandads this weekend but staying outside and talking through a window. He's balancing potentially the risk of not seeing his grandad again (he's 98) or being the one who kills him. I can't see my sister or my best friend unless we go for a walk outside which isn't always possible at this time of year. They are my biggest supports in terms of mental health (which is getting wobbly again because numbers are soaring in the hospital I work in) but I follow the guidance because I don't want this virus to spread anymore. Absolutely everyone will have a reason why they should see someone and if we all decided that our needs were greater then anyone else's then spread would be even higher. So if you want to be that person who feels the rules don't apply to them then yes you are going to get people angry and frustrated calling you selfish.
It's tit. My children see their nan for childcare but we can't see them or meet up for a coffee etc, it's drop off only. My husband hasn't seen his dad in ages because he's not part of our bubble as we need childcare to help us work. He's going to his grandads this weekend but staying outside and talking through a window. He's balancing potentially the risk of not seeing his grandad again (he's 98) or being the one who kills him. I can't see my sister or my best friend unless we go for a walk outside which isn't always possible at this time of year. They are my biggest supports in terms of mental health (which is getting wobbly again because numbers are soaring in the hospital I work in) but I follow the guidance because I don't want this virus to spread anymore. Absolutely everyone will have a reason why they should see someone and if we all decided that our needs were greater then anyone else's then spread would be even higher. So if you want to be that person who feels the rules don't apply to them then yes you are going to get people angry and frustrated calling you selfish.
Jeez I’m glad we weren’t counting on the likes of you to get us through the wars for 4 years and 6 years! What an attitude to have!
Yes it’s been a tit year, for everyone! Especially those whose loved ones have died from COVID or suffering long term health conditions from long COVID!
Your attitude is extremely self centred and self entitled!
My then 9 year old coped with 4.5 months shielding with just me this summer, couldn’t see his newborn baby sister at his dad’s, couldn’t see my dad, couldn’t see his friends. He managed it because he is mature enough and empathetic enough to know it’s the right thing to do.
People need to do the right thing and remember we’re all in this together!!!
Just read the news that 5m public sector workers in England face pay freeze next year, except NHS staff.
I really hope there is an outcry about this. Either impact ALL public sector or (preferably) none. This ring fencing of NHS staff only promotes the idea they are most important. I wager most public sector jobs are important; even the “back office” ones folk think are fake jobs. But to cap teachers, police, fire service, LA bin collectors, dinner ladies, roads and flooding teams etc. They have all still been working and are essential key services. We could not run society without these roles.
Perhaps I’m being overly sensitive but as a public sector worker in Scotland I did get told the other day I only support tier 4 restrictions because of my “privilege and wealthy public sector job” ha! Not even close. I’ve also worked every day since March. No furlough. Why wouldn’t I get paid?!
I really hope there is an outcry about this. Either impact ALL public sector or (preferably) none. This ring fencing of NHS staff only promotes the idea they are most important. I wager most public sector jobs are important; even the “back office” ones folk think are fake jobs. But to cap teachers, police, fire service, LA bin collectors, dinner ladies, roads and flooding teams etc. They have all still been working and are essential key services. We could not run society without these roles.
Perhaps I’m being overly sensitive but as a public sector worker in Scotland I did get told the other day I only support tier 4 restrictions because of my “privilege and wealthy public sector job” ha! Not even close. I’ve also worked every day since March. No furlough. Why wouldn’t I get paid?!
It's reported that only NHS frontline won't be capped.
Such a tricky situation as many in society have had an awful overloaded year whereas others have had a good time being paid to stay at home. There has to be some balance with private sector pay inflation but I don't envy the job.
The all NHS staff hero worshipping does get a bit silly many do a backoffice roles, get paid for every minute worked (with a flexi day off every two weeks) and are paid market rates but get things like a 10% discount at Morrisons.
I don’t really see why NHS front line vs back office is different?
The frontline of any organisation cannot function without the back office work of support, corporate or enabling teams. It’s great for us to worship nurses and doctors but without NhS procurement, finance, payroll, patient services, logistics, laboratory staff etc. the entire effort against covid would have collapsed. These people are all back office workers, surely they are important. It would be the same as if no. doctors/nurses/porters/auxiliaries etc were on shift. It would all fall apart. Both areas compliment each other and are essential. So if both are working through Covid... why wouldn’t they both get the discounts offered?
IMO the NHS discounts from retailers was crass bandwagon jumping anyway.
I 100% support NhS and all they do but I am fed up of the hero worship of certain roles in NHS and that’s it. I do think lots of public sector face being shafted after a very difficult year.
It’s not an easy task to balance books but raiding the public sector, sadly, is a Tory policy default position.
I like to try and see both sides of the argument. I’d like to think most of you know I’m a compliant pleb, was playing devils advocate and hypothesising to see other sides of the story. It’s not so black and white.
This virus isn’t going to go away. There’s so much victim blaming it’s ridiculous. If Jayne is suffering poor mental health and wants to see her mum, then I think this is perfectly acceptable.
This virus isn’t going to go away. There’s so much victim blaming it’s ridiculous. If Jayne is suffering poor mental health and wants to see her mum, then I think this is perfectly acceptable.
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