More bollocks by SAGE.
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What in tarnation is this poll! I call serious BS on this.
Yep, that's it, I'm officially done with this now, if you can't see the agenda with the MSM, then shame on you.
This is exactly what happened to my daughter as well! We have no idea if the rest of us have had it or not?!Just dropping in here to say that Mr Happy took part in trials for people who could have had Covid without any symptoms. He sent off his blood sample and had an email today which confirmed that he HAD C19 in the last six months.
No symptoms, no idea, living with me, getting on with life, perhaps I had it too.
My daughter went to a birthday party last week and and all the adults and children have since caught covid and we are the only ones that didn’t
Yougov poll 55% support employers insisting on vaccination
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I've not been on this thread for months. Used to spend so much time on it.
We hate SAGE now?
A lot of us have hated SAGE from the outset.
Their predictions have always been over the top
Pressure grows on UK ministers to outlaw ‘no jab, no job’ policies
HR body warns firms could face legal action if they insist staff must be fully vaccinated against Covid
www.theguardian.com
This gives me a bit of hope.
I think people think it can be brought in for free. Either that or they don't mind a few quid going on a meal in a hospitality setting and their pint, cocktail etc going up by a few pounds to pay for the door security stopping people getting in unless they show proof first.
Take my local as an example which has two exits to get in and out. That would need four fully qualified SIA licensed guys on the doors open till close seven days a week as you couldn't have just one guy on a entrance/exit stopping a group of people as they wouldn't stand a chance. Say every day you're open midday until 11 pm which is 77 hours. Times that by four for your staff which is 308 hours of extra work you have to pay out for. Then you'd expect for that role between £15-£20 an hour. So by bringing in a vaccine passport my local could be paying between £4,620 and £6,160 a week on top of current bills.
Where is a village local going to get that money from? Are the group of old men with the pub to themselves for a few hours on a Thursday afternoon going to drink 100 pints each to help? Pubs will end up closing down because customers will stop going there when their usual £3.50 pint of bitter is all of a sudden £5-£6.
Posted in the other thread, but just posting here incase anyone didn't see it.
Just incase anyones confused!!
ME: UK gov, should I get vaccinated if I already had Covid?
UK gov: “Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had C0VID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from C0VID-19.”
ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does vaccine-induced immunity last?
Uk gov: “There is still a lot we are learning about C0VID-l9 vaccines and we are constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are vaccinated.”
Me: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the vaccine was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long vaccine immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the vaccine immunity better than my natural immunity?
UK gov: …
Me: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?
UK gov: Yes. Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.
ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than vaccine immunity?
Uk gov: Possibly. You never know.
ME: Okay. If I get the vaccine, does that mean I won’t get sick?
Uk gov: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are vaccinated people.
ME: is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.K. catching Covid after getting the jab?
David Javid: Over 60%
ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the vaccine, how is it helping me?
Uk gov: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.
ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.
Uk gov: We don’t know “exactly, we think we've saved over 50,000 lives, but we haven't got any evidence of this.
ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?
Uk gov: We don’t know, okay? Next question.
ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the vaccine, is there any reason I should get it?
Uk gov: Yes, for the collective and to be allowed to dance at a night club (for now)
ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting vaccinated?
Uk gov: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.
ME: Can a vaccinated person spread the virus to someone else?
Uk gov: Yes.
ME: So if I get vaccinated, I could still spread the virus to someone else?
Uk gov: Yes.
ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get vaccinated was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the vaccine?
Uk gov: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unvaccinated, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the vaccine’s protection, putting all vaccinated people at risk.
ME: So the vaccine stops the virus from mutating?
Uk gov: No.
ME: So it can still mutate in vaccinated people?
Uk gov: Yes.
ME: Sorry but this seems confusing. If the vaccine doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting vaccinated help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the vaccine?
Uk gov: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unvaccinated, you pose a threat to vaccinated people.
ME: But what KIND of threat??
Uk gov: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.
ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the vaccine doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying vaccinated people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the vaccine just by running into an unvaccinated person! Which is it??
Uk gov: Your just obviously an anti-vaxxer!
ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get vaccinated, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long vaccine immunity lasts. And I should get the vaccine to keep a vaccinated person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the vaccine, I can give it to the vaccinated person anyways. And, the other vaccinated person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?"
Logical thinking is now a fringe activity.
Just incase anyones confused!!
ME: UK gov, should I get vaccinated if I already had Covid?
UK gov: “Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had C0VID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from C0VID-19.”
ME: Oh, okay, we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts. Got it. So, how long does vaccine-induced immunity last?
Uk gov: “There is still a lot we are learning about C0VID-l9 vaccines and we are constantly reviewing evidence and updating guidance. We don’t know how long protection lasts for those who are vaccinated.”
Me: Okay … but wait a second. I thought you said the reason I need the vaccine was because we don’t know how long my natural immunity lasts, but it seems like you’re saying we ALSO don’t know how long vaccine immunity lasts either. So, how exactly is the vaccine immunity better than my natural immunity?
UK gov: …
Me: Uh … alright. But, haven’t there been a bunch of studies suggesting that natural immunity could last for years or decades?
UK gov: Yes. Years, maybe even decades, according to a new study.
ME: Ah. So natural immunity might last longer than vaccine immunity?
Uk gov: Possibly. You never know.
ME: Okay. If I get the vaccine, does that mean I won’t get sick?
Uk gov: Nope. We are just now entering a seasonal spike and about half of our infections and hospital admissions are vaccinated people.
ME: is this true? Are there a lot of people in the U.K. catching Covid after getting the jab?
David Javid: Over 60%
ME: Oh, okay. Hmm. Well, if I can still get sick after I get the vaccine, how is it helping me?
Uk gov: We never said you wouldn’t get sick. We said it would reduce your chances of serious illness or death.
ME: Oh, sorry. Alright, exactly how much does it reduce my chance of serious illness or death.
Uk gov: We don’t know “exactly, we think we've saved over 50,000 lives, but we haven't got any evidence of this.
ME: Oh. Then what’s your best estimate for how much risk reduction there is?
Uk gov: We don’t know, okay? Next question.
ME: Um, if I’m healthy and don’t want the vaccine, is there any reason I should get it?
Uk gov: Yes, for the collective and to be allowed to dance at a night club (for now)
ME: How does the collective benefit from me getting vaccinated?
Uk gov: Because you could spread the virus to someone else who might get sick and die.
ME: Can a vaccinated person spread the virus to someone else?
Uk gov: Yes.
ME: So if I get vaccinated, I could still spread the virus to someone else?
Uk gov: Yes.
ME: But I thought you just said, the REASON I should get vaccinated was to prevent me spreading the virus? How does that make sense if I can still catch Covid and spread it after getting the vaccine?
Uk gov: Never mind that. The other thing is, if you stay unvaccinated, there’s a chance the virus could possibly mutate into a strain that escapes the vaccine’s protection, putting all vaccinated people at risk.
ME: So the vaccine stops the virus from mutating?
Uk gov: No.
ME: So it can still mutate in vaccinated people?
Uk gov: Yes.
ME: Sorry but this seems confusing. If the vaccine doesn’t stop mutations, and it doesn’t stop infections, then how does me getting vaccinated help prevent a more deadly strain from evolving to escape the vaccine?
Uk gov: You aren’t listening, okay? The bottom line is: as long as you are unvaccinated, you pose a threat to vaccinated people.
ME: But what KIND of threat??
Uk gov: The threat that they could get a serious case of Covid and possibly die.
ME: My brain hurts. Didn’t you JUST say that the vaccine doesn’t keep people from catching Covid, but prevents a serious case or dying? Now it seems like you’re saying vaccinated people can still easily die from Covid even after they got the vaccine just by running into an unvaccinated person! Which is it??
Uk gov: Your just obviously an anti-vaxxer!
ME: Wait! I just want to make sure I understand all this. So, even if I ALREADY had Covid, I should STILL get vaccinated, because we don’t know how long natural immunity lasts, and we also don’t know how long vaccine immunity lasts. And I should get the vaccine to keep a vaccinated person from catching Covid from me, but even if I get the vaccine, I can give it to the vaccinated person anyways. And, the other vaccinated person can still easily catch a serious case of Covid from me and die. Do I have all that right?"
Logical thinking is now a fringe activity.
No mandated jabs for students apparently and they’ll make it impossible for business to get insurance unless vaccine passports are used ( reading between the lines)
The government have been accused of mixed messages but to be honest it's the media and these 'experts' that have muddied the watersThe 200,000 infections a day, 4,000 deaths a day etc experts are now trying to worry people in to thinking over twenty million people in the UK could die. The other day it was vaccines spread covid more and now it's immunity is a bad thing. So have they realised it makes it all sound very much like we shouldn't have had the vaccine or build up protection.
Next Covid variant 'could kill one in three people'
Research presented to the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) today warned a future strain could be as deadly as MERS - which kill 35 per cent of infected people - could be on the way.www.dailymail.co.uk
More lockdowns for Australia
As I understand it, there's always at least a couple of scenarios presented in the information/papers that the group produces, and the media has shown itself to be very successful at picking the one that generate the most clicks - most often the worst case prediction, especially if it includes 'end of days coronapocalypse' somewhere in the first couple of pages .
My BiL owns a business that both my sister and my brother work in, literally everyone got covid except my siblings and my 2 nieces didn't get it either. I think some people are just naturally immuneThis is exactly what happened to my daughter as well! We have no idea if the rest of us have had it or not?!
My daughter went to a birthday party last week and and all the adults and children have since caught covid and we are the only ones that didn’t
My dad caught it back in October, I did his test but never caught it.....then my 14 year old son caught it last month....alongside his best friend...I had taken them both too and from school the day before in my car, all of the friends family caught it and were quite poorly, I was very close to my son looking after him etc, cleaning his vomit up and still never caught it.....both my older kids have had the virus twice.....both right at the start in March....although they weren't testing both poorly with the exact symptoms, my son ended up in hospital but they weren't testing them if they weren't admitted.....then 6 months later both caught it again confirmed by test......I honestly think you are right that some people have natural immunity to it
60% of fully vaccinated people are catching Covid-19 or 60% of people catching Covid-19 have been fully vaccinated? Either way is there a source for this?
Sad to say I'm fairly certain I didn't invent the term, and presumably similar applies to another variation on the theme but due to stuff on my bookshelf it can't be just a film, it would have to be - with apologies to Robert Rankin...“Coronapocalypse” coming to a cinema near you.Sounds like a movie.
Coronageddon 
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