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So back we come again to mental health, drink or drugs. You could easily live "off grid" and keep a baby alive with the money they had. But "something" pulled them to live in or near London, "something" meant they disregarded basic needs, "something" meant they were unable to parent safely. And both of them, not just one.
There was, as someone else said, a theme of lack of self care. It wasn’t just Victoria they didn’t look after, they weren’t looking after themselves
I wonder to what degree they saw themselves as hiding from her family, rather than living out some boho dream. I think she sees herself as driven underground by them
I wonder to what degree they saw themselves as hiding from her family, rather than living out some boho dream. I think she sees herself as driven underground by them
Wonder what happened with the mother and baby placement. It says she did do to it. Maybe wanted to be back with MG
While I like the live court reporting, the Argus reports so little of what's actually going on, we might as well just read the evening articles.
I think at the heart of this case is two arrogant selfish parents who are incapable of putting their babies's needs first. There would have been enough money to pay for a nice home and baby stuff for Child FF, but it was more important that CM and MG got to live the lifestyle they wanted. They learnt nothing through having the children removed, and even now Victoria's lost her life they can't admit it was their fault.
I think at the heart of this case is two arrogant selfish parents who are incapable of putting their babies's needs first. There would have been enough money to pay for a nice home and baby stuff for Child FF, but it was more important that CM and MG got to live the lifestyle they wanted. They learnt nothing through having the children removed, and even now Victoria's lost her life they can't admit it was their fault.
They are just utterly evil, I honestly believe that. Producing children just to discard them! That comment for their eldest child when they failed to show up to supervised visits 
desperately wanted to keep Victoria did they! It’s almost laughable; had all the means & resources to keep 4 kids yet deliberately abandoned them yet have the audacity to claim they wanted to be parents! Evil evil twisted game playing manipulative fuckers
desperately wanted to keep Victoria did they! It’s almost laughable; had all the means & resources to keep 4 kids yet deliberately abandoned them yet have the audacity to claim they wanted to be parents! Evil evil twisted game playing manipulative fuckers
The extra detail of the children in the contact centre getting distressed because CM and MG couldn't even get themselves sorted to turn up and see their own children 
completely contradicts any claim that they ever wanted to be good parents.
I really hope that wherever those kids are now, they are well loved and taken care of, and getting all the appropriate support for dealing with the boat load of issues their useless parents have no doubt left them with.
completely contradicts any claim that they ever wanted to be good parents.I really hope that wherever those kids are now, they are well loved and taken care of, and getting all the appropriate support for dealing with the boat load of issues their useless parents have no doubt left them with.
Where was that comment? I haven't read it.They are just utterly evil, I honestly believe that. Producing children just to discard them! That comment for their eldest child when they failed to show up to supervised visits
But their attendance was “inconsistent”, leaving the children distressed and unsettled, the court heard.
One of the children became quiet and withdrawn, telling staff: “Mummy and daddy cancelled again.”
The child was described as “inconsolable” when the parents failed to turn up at the contact centre.
Jurors heard of an incident of domestic violence in 2019 and a judge found a “risk of harm to the children by being exposed to physical violence between the parents”.
So, reading the write up from today and to me,it just shows that even when they are in a panic and on the run from police, they still chose to live such a chaotic and unsuitable life style for a baby.
Constance Marten warned of sleep risk before baby’s death, court told
Marten and her partner Mark Gordon deny manslaughter by gross negligence.
A link that includes the comments mentioned above about non-attendance
Am I right in thinking that child FF was born in 2017? Meaning that they'd only be 4 or 5 when they understood enough to be able to say "mummy and daddy cancelled again"
I know SS deal with cases like this (and worse) all the time, but it's just heartbreaking to think of a child that age (either just started in Reception or about to) having to deal with that.
I know SS deal with cases like this (and worse) all the time, but it's just heartbreaking to think of a child that age (either just started in Reception or about to) having to deal with that.
This is so sad. Poor children.
I think that today’s evidence will have sealed the deal for the jury. Their behaviour obviously led to or massively contributed to Victoria’s death and they can even claim ignorance of that fact. They knew the risks but still chose to put her at risk of death.
As someone who has camped before in very basic conditions tho it was not winter, i cannot fathom how anyone could fall asleep upright in a tiny 2 man tent with nothing to lean against or support their weight. If this where to be true, she either slid backwards and the baby rolled off her onto the cold ground or she slid forward or to her side on top of her suffocating her. This pair were simply just unfit parents, they had no clue. No issue with people living an alternative lifestyle as CM/MG call it but living in squalor without basic necessities is not an alternative lifestyle. They deliberately chose to live like a homeless couple, why i dont think we will ever know!
From this article sounds like after the placement SS closed the case and it was only then reopened after they had the second child.
Sad to hear they weren't consistent turning up for supervised visitation leaving one child inconsolable. Does any one know if by the time they went on the run the children had been adopted or were they still allowed visitation ? If so how awful to just disappear on the other children. They say they wanted to keep Victoria so badly but what about the other children they couldn't be bothered to turn up to visitation for. I really feel sad for all 5 of their children they deserved better.
Constance Marten and Mark Gordon trial: Four children taken into care
A jury hears Constance Marten claimed she had not been to school - but was in fact from a wealthy family.
www.bbc.co.uk
Disgusting behaviour from them even prior to baby Victoria being born. Them poor other children having to deal with their useless parents. Desperate to keep baby V but not enough to turn up to visit their precious kids at a contact centre. Them kids are nothing to them. And to think she must have fell pregnant mere weeks after the proceedings for the other kids to be permanently removed.
All the money and opportunity in the world just shows up their selfish behaviour even more.
All the money and opportunity in the world just shows up their selfish behaviour even more.
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