Constance Marten and Mark Gordon #11

[MavisBeacon]

Maybe he committed an offence getting arrested, was he on probation or anything idk

Lol top legalling right there

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

When they say a “majority verdict”, if there are 10 jurors, why is a majority not 6 or more? Apologies if this is a stupid question!

I don’t know but I’d like to

 

[casperon]

She hasn't been found not guilty though. She needs to wait to see if they will be a retrial and if so, she maybe kept in prison for another year waiting for it. Then they need to wait for another verdict.

Would there not be more outrage if she was found not guilty? Perhaps this was the plan all along
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Surely they were found guilty of concealing the birth of a child? Neither side fought that.. same with perverting the course of justice?
I still can’t find the judges summing up in full but I’m fairly sure he stated that those were both agreed facts and the jury should find them guilty on both counts?
There’s very little evidence in general but there is very clear evidence that she gave birth to a baby, didn’t inform the relevant authorities, that baby tragically died, they didn’t inform the relevant authorities.
Was arrested, they knew where victorias body was but didn’t tell the authorities, therefore perverting the course of justice.

Surely they can’t have been unable to reach a verdict on those two counts??
I’m really hoping more comes out over the next few days!

apparently perverting the course of justice is only if you there’s an actual crime that happened (which they haven’t been convicted of)

 

[Lady Parker Rose the 3rd]

I’ve just come across this anonymous post on the FB group. Cryptic but does provide a bit more insight into how the jury couldn’t reach a decision doesn’t it

What an incredibly complex case!

Read the second image first

Catching up but this sounds like utter nonsense!

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

How do we know the other kids are in LA care? Given their young ages they would be adopted or placed with family

Care and placement orders were made for all of the children in January 2022 - 3 months before she fell pregnant with Victoria.

They were in care prior to that

Constance Marten and Mark Gordon #6

Nope https://courses.leeds.ac.uk/j555/arabic-islamic-middle-eastern-and-north-african-studies-ba I reckon studying Arabic is pretty challenging though? Leeds is an established renowned uni. She'd surely have to have some intelligence to get in? current average tariff is 3Bs. Nothing special...

tattle.life

 

[Emsie]

I don't feel sorry for thre jury... why would anyone? But I do commend the 9 that remained. Sitting on this jury for all this time stop start stop start and listening to CM ramble on about things you're not supposed to know must have been tedious. Better people than me, I would have walked.

 

[People-huv-tae-know]

The whole way this trial has been run... I sense secret handshakes and whispers in ears. Don't shoot me just got my spidey senses tingling.

I was thinking that too tbh. Poor Victoria

 

[whitershadeofpale]

Courtserve showing tomorrow

 

[HotesTilaire]

CPS will look at how strong the case is. This was never a strong case

I don’t think they will bring GNM back. And I think the case has been broken by DrGordon choosing to keep his mouth shut. He’s the only person who can add more detail. Connie went on too long, but she only really used the time allocated to our First Aid trained Defendant.

 

[InTheDollsHouse]

yes, relevant - to give context for their actions
Not to use as reason for acquittal (imo)

Oh yes totally this. It would give more weight to the prosecution!

 

[Sparklejeannie]

No matter what differing views we have, let’s remember that every single person posting in this thread believes they should have been found guilty, and is in disbelief that they were not.

Whether we think the prosecution messed up, the jury are wrong, the defence should have done something differently, the judge should have stopped the shit from CM, or that SS didn’t do the ‘right’ thing with the elder children, we all believe they should have been found guilty and hope they still are.

Exactly this! In most situations we come across in our lives, if you ask the ordinary man in the street what they think of a situation or a decision, if the majority agree then it must be right. Probably CPS will be weighing up "Public interest" versus "Public outcry!"

 

[Tangent Tiger]

I predict Constance will one of those outliers who's fertile until she's 55 unfortunately. There'll definitely be more babies

Oh I hope not, she should have learnt by now. It did cross my mind that she might go abroad and have a child

 

[the_moonins]

When they say a “majority verdict”, if there are 10 jurors, why is a majority not 6 or more? Apologies if this is a stupid question!

 

[CabalofBolorneaise]

Does it have to be proven that someone has been specifically told not to do a harmful thing for them to be found accountable if harm is caused?
‘Don’t stab someone in the chest’ ‘Don’t throttle someone’ ‘Don’t take a minimally clothed baby out in freezing weather’.
I mean, are these people adults?

I don’t think so but that’s certainly what the prosecution appeared to be going for with the focus on “CM was told about cosleeping” hence me saying I think they did a shit job.

 

[Aberscot]

Hope none of the jurors were out watching football and pull a sickie today!

 

[CabalofBolorneaise]

I thought that the judge had directed the jury to find them guilty on concealing a birth?

Is that binding though? Or does it only kick in when they find guilty/not guilty on at least one other charge - if they haven’t made any decisions I’d imagine what the judge said won’t “count” hence the reporting being not guilty of anything.

 

[sebanna]

They haven't necessarily had very long since the judge said he would accept an majority verdict. Especially if the jury weren't deliberationing while the legal discussions were happening.

 

[Hello Kitty]

What's going on now?

 

[Haveyouanywool]

There’s new episodes for LL retrial of Baby K.

 

[Allmyownopinion]

Why were there reporting restrictions on the guilty charges, just heard they were actually delivered in May?