Conspiracy Theories #9

[Cupcakemum]

I don't believe it is true that we don't know anyone who had Covid but we all know someone who has become seriously ill or died from the vaccine.
My job means I have seen the reality of Covid and it also means I know a hell of a lot of people who have been vaccinated and yet I haven't heard of anyone dying or becoming seriously ill from it.
I'm not saying nobody has but we need to keep it in perspective.

I didn't say that we didn't know anyone that's had covid, I said that in the first few months it was hard to find anyone who had had it, or anyone who knew anyone that had had it.

From my personal experience, which will be hugely different from someone in the NHS dealing with it, I didn't know of anyone who had it until September/Oct when it started to ramp back up again.
My husband ended up with nearly 100 people at his work testing positive over winter. Thankfully none of them needed hospital and all were fine.
I work with predominantly over 80s and only 2 people caught it, and then it was whilst in hospital, one recovered completely but died later (not covid) and the other is absolutely ok.

I'm not saying covid doesn't exist at all, and I'm not saying that the vaccine is affecting more people - statistics say that's just not true.

I have argued in a balanced way on this thread for a long time, and I have said numerous times that we can't on one hand put deaths that were nothing to do with covid down as covid, and not allow people to blame, or at least be allowed to question the vaccine also being a cause of death or serious reaction like a stroke for example.
Just because you haven't heard of anyone suffering badly from the vaccine doesn't mean it's not happening, the same as me not knowing anyone who had covid at the start didn't mean it wasn't affecting people

 

[bluebirdinc]

I haven’t yet caught up with the tread but was this on tik tok! So apparently super heavy periods and lumps on breasts are completely normal side effects for the vaccine. Please people!! Seriously??? Women’s issues aren’t taken seriously as it is!!!

Tiktok unsafe link https://tattle.life/threads/19920/

 

[monga]

I haven’t yet caught up with the tread but was this on tik tok! So apparently super heavy periods and lumps on breasts are completely normal side effects for the vaccine. Please people!! Seriously??? Women’s issues aren’t taken seriously as it is!!!

Tiktok unsafe link https://tattle.life/threads/19920/

It was reported Israeli women were complaining of bleeding after the vaccine and a change in their cycle

 

[DreamDolly]

I’ve just been reading this document, and quite frankly, it’s horrifying. Of course, everyone knows that the vaccines were rushed, and given an “emergency” status so they could be deployed as quickly as possible. However, some scientists are extremely concerned about mRNA technology being linked to “Prion” diseases, which are basically brain injuries/dementia and the like.
The article here is an assessment, and a warning..

https://scivisionpub.com/pdfs/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf

 

[monga]

I’ve just been reading this document, and quite frankly, it’s horrifying. Of course, everyone knows that the vaccines were rushed, and given an “emergency” status so they could be deployed as quickly as possible. However, some scientists are extremely concerned about mRNA technology being linked to “Prion” diseases, which are basically brain injuries/dementia and the like.
The article here is an assessment, and a warning..

https://scivisionpub.com/pdfs/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf

Wasn't mad cow disease linked to the prions in the brain ? (could be wrong )

 

[DreamDolly]

Even changing your job role due to not being vaccinated would be discrimination and would get your employer in trouble. i really don't think employers want to open themselves up to any more litigation than they are already at risk of. The covid passports to an employer are more risky than it is worth

Also for a vaccine to be mandated at work it must be a mandatory vaccine in general across the population, this would take many years of law changes and many MPs would vote against that

Also, if it was made mandatory, the drug companies would loose their legal indemnity from the government.
Personally, I think life will be made intentionally harder for non-vaccinated people. I even heard an awful story on this thread about Firemen refusing to “rescue” anyone who hasn’t had the jab !!

Wasn't mad cow disease linked to the prions in the brain ? (could be wrong )

Yep, and actually, that particular disease is in the article I linked. Pretty scary stuff..

 

[Samantha365]

I haven’t yet caught up with the tread but was this on tik tok! So apparently super heavy periods and lumps on breasts are completely normal side effects for the vaccine. Please people!! Seriously??? Women’s issues aren’t taken seriously as it is!!!

Tiktok unsafe link https://tattle.life/threads/19920/

It was in daily mail a few months ago about it causing breast lumps and advised ppl to wait a while before having mamograms or if they did have them and lumps were detected to say theyd had the jab and the lumps could be left for a while. Apparently some people had been treated as if they had breast cancer due to the lumps showing on mamagrams and didnt need the treatment. Im not sure if they just go away on their own.

 

[monga]

Also, if it was made mandatory, the drug companies would loose their legal indemnity from the government.
Personally, I think life will be made intentionally harder for non-vaccinated people. I even heard an awful story on this thread about Firemen refusing to “rescue” anyone who hasn’t had the jab !!


Yep, and actually, that particular disease is in the article I linked. Pretty scary stuff..

My internet security won't let me view the link it's flashing a warning.

It was in daily mail a few months ago about it causing breast lumps and advised ppl to wait a while before having mamograms or if they did have them and lumps were detected to say theyd had the jab and the lumps could be left for a while. Apparently some people had been treated as if they had breast cancer due to the lumps showing on mamagrams and didnt need the treatment. Im not sure if they just go away on their own.

I saw it on CNN an American doctor discovered it it's the swollen lymph nodes in the breast tissue they were advising women to wait at least a month after vaccination before going for a mammogram ...worrying what it's doing to the hormones .

 

[DreamDolly]

I agree with you, the vaccine has to be a personal choice and everyone should know the risks as with any medication.
I choose not to have the flu jab for example simply because it made me very ill the one and only time I did have it.

I took the Covid jab admittedly because I felt a bit pressured at work (although I wasn't actually pressured by anyone, it was just how I felt.)
I felt like I didn't need the vaccine as I have had Covid and know I have the antibodies but went ahead anyway when I got my invite. However I do not regret having the vaccine.

As for long Covid, well there are a few colleagues claiming they have it but 2 have definitely been left with crippling symptoms and 1 will never be able to return to work.
The others are more likely suffering with anxiety and dare I say it but I believe a few are bullshitting.

I stand by my post though.
I don't believe it is true that we don't know anyone who had Covid but we all know someone who has become seriously ill or died from the vaccine.
My job means I have seen the reality of Covid and it also means I know a hell of a lot of people who have been vaccinated and yet I haven't heard of anyone dying or becoming seriously ill from it.
I'm not saying nobody has but we need to keep it in perspective.

Actually, many people on this thread know people who have been really unwell after having the vaccine. My own mum was so unwell straight after having the Pfizer jab. Infact, I almost called an ambulance because she was that bad.
Another person on here sadly lost a friend, who died after her jab.
I think there are many people who have been seriously unwell after having the vaccine. One look at the government’s yellow card vaccine side effects database and the American VAERS site,will prove this.

My internet security won't let me view the link it's flashing a warning.


I saw it on CNN an American doctor discovered it it's the swollen lymph nodes in the breast tissue they were advising women to wait at least a month after vaccination before going for a mammogram ...worrying what it's doing to the hormones .

I had that same warning, but still clicked on it. They are trying very hard to cover all this up.

 

[Welshcakes]

Also, if it was made mandatory, the drug companies would loose their legal indemnity from the government.
Personally, I think life will be made intentionally harder for non-vaccinated people. I even heard an awful story on this thread about Firemen refusing to “rescue” anyone who hasn’t had the jab !!


Yep, and actually, that particular disease is in the article I linked. Pretty scary stuff..

Firemen? There is no such thing as a Fireman/Firemen, they are Firefighters. My Son is,a Firefighter on a mixed watch of men and women and at no point during their tours do they ever consider whether someone is vaccinated so as whether to rescue them or not, this is complete BS!

Actually, many people on this thread know people who have been really unwell after having the vaccine. My own mum was so unwell straight after having the Pfizer jab. Infact, I almost called an ambulance because she was that bad.
Another person on here sadly lost a friend, who died after her jab.
I think there are many people who have been seriously unwell after having the vaccine. One look at the government’s yellow card vaccine side effects database and the American VAERS site,will prove this.


I had that same warning, but still clicked on it. They are trying very hard to cover all this up.

I had my first Pfizer last Friday, I am fine and still alive, my Husband had his Thursday, he is still alive and fine aswell. We both felt a little rough the next day but only for a few hours. My Son had his first AZ 2 weeks ago, he is fine also.

 

[monga]

Firemen? There is no such thing as a Fireman/Firemen, they are Firefighters. My Son is,a Firefighter on a mixed watch of men and women and at no point during their tours do they ever consider whether someone is vaccinated so as whether to rescue them or not, this is complete BS!


I had my first Pfizer last Friday, I am fine and still alive, my Husband had his Thursday, he is still alive and fine aswell. We both felt a little rough the next day but only for a few hours. My Son had his first AZ 2 weeks ago, he is fine also.

Some people still refer to them as Firemen I still do as do some TV shows Fireman Sam was a big hit in our house and he's still known by that name.

 

[Samantha365]

Firemen? There is no such thing as a Fireman/Firemen, they are Firefighters. My Son is,a Firefighter on a mixed watch of men and women and at no point during their tours do they ever consider whether someone is vaccinated so as whether to rescue them or not, this is complete BS!


I had my first Pfizer last Friday, I am fine and still alive, my Husband had his Thursday, he is still alive and fine aswell. We both felt a little rough the next day but only for a few hours. My Son had his first AZ 2 weeks ago, he is fine also.

Im glad youre all ok.

I think "Firemen/Firefighter/Fireperson" should be re-named as they seem to do a lot more than fight fires. They are the people i admire the most, putting themselves in such danger and not knowing what they are facing. Not a job i could do. So thank your son from me please.

 

[Purrrrrrr]

Firemen? There is no such thing as a Fireman/Firemen, they are Firefighters. My Son is,a Firefighter on a mixed watch of men and women and at no point during their tours do they ever consider whether someone is vaccinated so as whether to rescue them or not, this is complete BS!


I had my first Pfizer last Friday, I am fine and still alive, my Husband had his Thursday, he is still alive and fine aswell. We both felt a little rough the next day but only for a few hours. My Son had his first AZ 2 weeks ago, he is fine also.

This is the news broadcast that says about rescuing only those vaccinated. So its not BS.






Are you saying because you and your husband are fine then vaccines are safe?



"Peanut allergies don't exist. Peanuts are safe. You can believe what you want, but my parents and I have always had peanuts just fine, and my siblings have peanuts and they're fine, too. They wouldn't sell them if they weren't safe!
If you think your child has had a reaction to peanuts, it was probably just an unrelated coincidence and you should definitely keep giving them and all their siblings' peanuts.

Planters have done extensive safety testing on peanuts, as peanuts are safe and effective and since the science is settled: peanuts won't help anyone unless everyone eats them. You will all need proof that you eat them to go to school.

The experts who decided peanuts are safe have stock in Planters and get jobs there when they leave the FDA. Oh, and you can't sue Planters.

What could go wrong?

Did that sound.....insensitive? Ignorant? Uneducated? Ridiculous? Flat out stupid? If you were a parent of a child who suffered a severe reaction to peanuts, how would that make you feel? Furthermore, would you continue to give your child peanuts after a reaction?

Replace the word peanuts with vaccines, and somehow this attitude is totally acceptable.

Some = 0 reaction to peanuts
Some = mild reaction to peanuts
Some = life-threatening reaction to peanuts
Same with vaccines..."

I'm the one whose friend died the day after her vaccine. I'm also on many vaccine groups and your mind would be blown at how many people are being injured. The vaccine reporting sites here and the US are very busy and remember only around 1% are even reported to those sites.

 

[What?]

I didn't say that we didn't know anyone that's had covid, I said that in the first few months it was hard to find anyone who had had it, or anyone who knew anyone that had had it.

From my personal experience, which will be hugely different from someone in the NHS dealing with it, I didn't know of anyone who had it until September/Oct when it started to ramp back up again.
My husband ended up with nearly 100 people at his work testing positive over winter. Thankfully none of them needed hospital and all were fine.
I work with predominantly over 80s and only 2 people caught it, and then it was whilst in hospital, one recovered completely but died later (not covid) and the other is absolutely ok.

I'm not saying covid doesn't exist at all, and I'm not saying that the vaccine is affecting more people - statistics say that's just not true.

I have argued in a balanced way on this thread for a long time, and I have said numerous times that we can't on one hand put deaths that were nothing to do with covid down as covid, and not allow people to blame, or at least be allowed to question the vaccine also being a cause of death or serious reaction like a stroke for example.
Just because you haven't heard of anyone suffering badly from the vaccine doesn't mean it's not happening, the same as me not knowing anyone who had covid at the start didn't mean it wasn't affecting people

You are correct, what you actually said was
"I'ts strange that in the first few months of covid it was hard to find someone who even knew anyone that had the virus, never mind had it themselves. With the vaccines everyone knows someone who has had a serious side effects or suddenly passed away though"

I wanted to address that as it simply isn't true and is nothing more than an over dramatic post.
My own experiences don't all come from where I work but also personally.
I have elderly and vulnerable family members who have been vaccinated and all suffered no more than feeling a bit ill for a few days.

As I said in a previous post, I'm not saying serious side effects and death haven't happened, there are risks with everything but I do think there is a responsibility to not over dramatise it and to keep it in perspective otherwise it becomes nothing more than scaremongering just like we have been accusing the government and media of doing for a year.

Actually, many people on this thread know people who have been really unwell after having the vaccine. My own mum was so unwell straight after having the Pfizer jab. Infact, I almost called an ambulance because she was that bad.
Another person on here sadly lost a friend, who died after her jab.
I think there are many people who have been seriously unwell after having the vaccine. One look at the government’s yellow card vaccine side effects database and the American VAERS site,will prove this.


I had that same warning, but still clicked on it. They are trying very hard to cover all this up.

What do you class as seriously unwell?
Do you have the statistics of how many have been "seriously" unwell and how many have died?

Seems strange to me that as an NHS worker who knows many many people who have been vaccinated yet I know of none that have died or become "seriously" ill from it yet on this little thread everyone knows someone who has.

I'm not saying it hasn't happened as I said in previous posts but let's keep things in perspective.

 

[Purrrrrrr]

You are correct, what you actually said was
"I'ts strange that in the first few months of covid it was hard to find someone who even knew anyone that had the virus, never mind had it themselves. With the vaccines everyone knows someone who has had a serious side effects or suddenly passed away though"

I wanted to address that as it simply isn't true and is nothing more than an over dramatic post.
My own experiences don't all come from where I work but also personally.
I have elderly and vulnerable family members who have been vaccinated and all suffered no more than feeling a bit ill for a few days.

As I said in a previous post, I'm not saying serious side effects and death haven't happened, there are risks with everything but I do think there is a responsibility to not over dramatise it and to keep it in perspective otherwise it becomes nothing more than scaremongering just like we have been accusing the government and media of doing for a year.



What do you class as seriously unwell?
Do you have the statistics of how many have been "seriously" unwell and how many have died?

Seems strange to me that as an NHS worker who knows many many people who have been vaccinated yet I know of none that have died or become "seriously" ill from it yet on this little thread everyone knows someone who has.

I'm not saying it hasn't happened as I said in previous posts but let's keep things in perspective.

Nothing is kept in perspective though. Try having a vaccine injury and speaking out about it. FB, forums groups etc all the threads posts saying about the dead or injured are removed. This forum is the only one that's allowed us to speak about it but even then it has to be kept on a CT thread. How can you have informed consent when only one side of a story is told?

I have lost three people because of covid but none had covid. two suicides and one to the AZ vaccine. I know many who tested + for covid but none were ill. I know a few that have been ill after the vaccine a couple saying they just don't feel right weeks after, spacey, shaky and fatigued.

 

[PinkFong]

I haven’t yet caught up with the tread but was this on tik tok! So apparently super heavy periods and lumps on breasts are completely normal side effects for the vaccine. Please people!! Seriously??? Women’s issues aren’t taken seriously as it is!!!

Tiktok unsafe link https://tattle.life/threads/19920/

Saw this on twitter this morning....

Makes you wonder.

But now they’re saying it’s safe for pregnant women/those TTC?

 

[What?]

Nothing is kept in perspective though. Try having a vaccine injury and speaking out about it. FB, forums groups etc all the threads posts saying about the dead or injured are removed. This forum is the only one that's allowed us to speak about it but even then it has to be kept on a CT thread. How can you have informed consent when only one side of a story is told?

I have lost three people because of covid but none had covid. two suicides and one to the AZ vaccine. I know many who tested + for covid but none were ill. I know a few that have been ill after the vaccine a couple saying they just don't feel right weeks after, spacey, shaky and fatigued.

So what you are saying is that there are no stats?

I'm not talking about Facebook, I have a colleague claiming she has Long Covid (she doesn't, she has lazyitis).

People make all kinds of crap up to post on Facebook.
I certainly wouldn't be getting my vaccine info from there.


As I said it seems weird to me the amount of people I know who have had the vaccine from work and personally yet none have been seriously injured or died but this tiny little thread everyone apparently knows someone who has.

Nah not buying it.

 

[PinkFong]

So what you are saying is that there are no stats?

I'm not talking about Facebook, I have a colleague claiming she has Long Covid (she doesn't, she has lazyitis).

People make all kinds of crap up to post on Facebook.
I certainly wouldn't be getting my vaccine info from there.


As I said it seems weird to me the amount of people I know who have had the vaccine from work and personally yet none have been seriously injured or died but this tiny little thread everyone apparently knows someone who has.

Nah not buying it.

Would you be as sceptical if we all said we knew someone who had died from Covid? Genuine question.

I’ve never known a vaccine where so many have felt like complete tit after having it. You get the odd few after the flu jab feeling grim for a day. But this one - it seems much more widespread and long lasting.

I mean - how is this ok? It sounds worse than Covid itself!!

 

[What?]

Would you be as sceptical if we all said we knew someone who had died from Covid? Genuine question.

I’ve never known a vaccine where so many have felt like complete tit after having it. You get the odd few after the flu jab feeling grim for a day. But this one - it seems much more widespread and long lasting.

I mean - how is this ok? It sounds worse than Covid itself!!

Yes I would be as sceptical simply because apart from through work even I don't know anybody in my personal life who has died from Covid.

However sadly I have lost colleagues to Covid and I have witnessed with my own eyes the people suffering badly from it, the people gasping for breath because of Covid and the people in ICU wired up to all kinds of machines and tubes down their throat.
I saw body after body being wheeled down to the morgue during the peak last year and early this year.
Yet the hospital has now gone quiet. We are not seeing people with vaccine injuries or people who have died from the vaccine.
That is a fact.


Funny you mention the flu jab as most of my colleagues (the ones I actually work closely with ) including myself said they felt worse after the flu jab and in fact as I mentioned in an earlier post I felt so ill after my one and only flu jab I have never had it again.

I have no doubt that people have died or become seriously unwell but no I do not believe for one minute we all know someone that has died or been seriously injured after having the Covid vaccine.

Having the vaccine should always be a personal choice and people should be armed with as much information as possible.

 

[Purrrrrrr]

So what you are saying is that there are no stats?

I'm not talking about Facebook, I have a colleague claiming she has Long Covid (she doesn't, she has lazyitis).

People make all kinds of crap up to post on Facebook.
I certainly wouldn't be getting my vaccine info from there.


As I said it seems weird to me the amount of people I know who have had the vaccine from work and personally yet none have been seriously injured or died but this tiny little thread everyone apparently knows someone who has.

Nah not buying it.

I have no idea how you got from my post to yours. Where did I say I got my info from FB etc. I said people talking about it are removed. groups talking about it are closed Drs, scientist etc are de-platformed all over the WWW . I was talking about balance there is no balance. there is no informed consent when most of the population have no idea that people are injured and killed by vaccines every day. No one sees it until it happens to them, lose someone to covid I'm so sorry for your loss, lose someone to a vaccine, liar, proof!! no evidence yada yada..

Can I give you the full stats? No, because as I have already said only 1% of vaccine injuries and death are reported. Go look on VAERs and Yellowcard for those reported.

I can give you many links for the injured and dead but I know you will say no proof that it was due to vaccine, oh that site is a CT. oh that Dr /scientist/nurse has been discredited I have heard it over and over now for years. If you are really interested you will look into it. But if not I will see you on this thread in 6mths as I think this is going to blow soon. You can only cover up for so long when the world is involved.




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